Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[throbzombie]

If that pin is recent (within 1-2 months) this could be the reason that blog comments were so suddenly removed. Inno did mention they were removed because she couldn't (or possibly didn't want to) moderate them

No, it was posted in June. God knows what peeps were posting on Discord, but I didn't see anything like that on the dev blog.

lmao, wut? What the hell happened that sparked that pin?

Anything interesting in Inno's timeline?

Not a thing. She pretty much talked about video games and posted some cat emojis.

 

[Scapdra1]

Of course. Why do I even bother trying to give Inno the benefit of the doubt. At this point I'm pretty sure she only works on the game at all because people ask her to, not because she wants to work on it. The lack of interest in her own project is concerning at the very least.

(edited to sound less angry. the way I initially worded the last sentence was too aggressive for my taste)

 

[swagfiend]

This is what I was talking about a while ago, Inno's project is way outside the scope of a single person, and has devolved into an unfocused mess. Starry-eyed passion is sadly not enough to overcome human limitations with coding, she really needs help from a professional to save her project, or it'll continue to slow down until it is abandoned.

 

[Scapdra1]

This is what I was talking about a while ago, Inno's project is way outside the scope of a single person, and has devolved into an unfocused mess. Starry-eyed passion is sadly not enough to overcome human limitations with coding, she really needs help from a professional to save her project, or it'll continue to slow down until it is abandoned.

What boggles my mind is how allergic she is to getting help. There are multiple people willing to sign contracts to allow her to keep 100% ownership of the game code, yet she is either too paranoid or too proud to accept their help. Hell she even outright refuses to ask them on how to better write and organize code.

 

[Scapdra1]

As someone with vision issues, i appreciate the ability to change the font size, but is there any way to change the size of the buttons and their assiciated text?

As far as I can tell the buttons cannot be modified in any way, nor can the text on them be adjusted. The only time they change size is when you switch between the default window size and fullscreen.

 

[alex2011]

Of course. Why do I even bother trying to give Inno the benefit of the doubt. At this point I'm pretty sure she only works on the game at all because people ask her to, not because she wants to work on it. The lack of interest in her own project is concerning at the very least.

(edited to sound less angry. the way I initially worded the last sentence was too aggressive for my taste)

This is what I was talking about a while ago, Inno's project is way outside the scope of a single person, and has devolved into an unfocused mess. Starry-eyed passion is sadly not enough to overcome human limitations with coding, she really needs help from a professional to save her project, or it'll continue to slow down until it is abandoned.

Indeed, I stopped last month with the benefit part. I'm 100% certain there are only two possibilities keeping this project alive. The first is the Discord's requests, which are 100% side content and new morphs at best. The second is money, which I am now almost certain Inno is now just the typical 'do as little as possible to keep the patrons fooled' Patreon dev. I was hoping that kind of development behavior wouldn't leak onto SubscribeStar, but it apparently already has.

Honestly, this was a suicide mission of a project to go into alone in the first place, maybe it could be saved with some help, but Inno refuses anything offered, even if it is free of charge and with all ownership going to them. The way it is now, the game is better off abandoned right here and now instead of making the players all suffer through the slow and painful death of what could have been the single greatest transformation-based erotic RPG with sandbox elements for years to come.

 

[Scapdra1]

The funny thing about this whole mess is if the code was more friendly to modding there would be a lot less outcry, because modding would fill the gaps between updates. On a completely different tangent, i wonder if the complete jank with the offspring map is due to it still using the old racial code instead of the reworked code. At this point having that major of an oversight wouldn't surprise me.

 

[alex2011]

The funny thing about this whole mess is if the code was more friendly to modding there would be a lot less outcry, because modding would fill the gaps between updates. On a completely different tangent, i wonder if the complete jank with the offspring map is due to it still using the old racial code instead of the reworked code. At this point having that major of an oversight wouldn't surprise me.

That probably is the issue, I honestly can't think of anything else in this specific situation that would cause that.

 

[Scapdra1]

I know it won't happen, but here is a change i wish would be added:
The ability to add certain perks to equipment via enchanting.
I find it absolutely infuriating that the only way to stack the 'Object of desire' perk is to have a companion. I would like to be able to alter the game in order to stop pretty much all morphs in the game from being two pump chumps outside of arcane storms.

 

[alex2011]

I know it won't happen, but here is a change i wish would be added:
The ability to add certain perks to equipment via enchanting.
I find it absolutely infuriating that the only way to stack the 'Object of desire' perk is to have a companion. I would like to be able to alter the game in order to stop pretty much all morphs in the game from being two pump chumps outside of arcane storms.

Or the perk itself could be buffed.

 

[Duarchy]

There's antenna in the debug transformation menu, but from what I can tell no insect type races yet? I know there's also demon-spider legs, but that doesn't seem to open up the options for insect type races. Kinda odd, since there are insect wings too.

 

[Scapdra1]

The code for transformations is in place, but they haven't been added. They'll get added by modders eventually because its the only thing they can really add to the game.

 

[Duarchy]

Thanks. I was just putzing around the debug. Honestly, because there doesn't seem to be a way to become an imp in that menu outside of the race reset, I thought there might be more hidden subspecies that aren't obvious at first glance, and the antenna section kinda supported that.

So I made a tiny human with wings and was sad the game didn't recognise it as a fairy

 

[Scapdra1]

Thanks. I was just putzing around the debug. Honestly, because there doesn't seem to be a way to become an imp in that menu outside of the race reset, I thought there might be more hidden subspecies that aren't obvious at first glance, and the antenna section kinda supported that.

So I made a tiny human with wings and was sad the game didn't recognise it as a fairy

That's because imps are supposed to be the offspring of humans and demons according to lore. the reason this doesn't work in-game is because the 'half-succubus' race exists for some reason.

 

[Duarchy]

'half-succubus' race exists for some reason.

I think it's just laziness in not making human demon couplings an exception from the half-succ rule, because that's how you get actual interesting breeds that sadly all share the half-demon stat spread regardless of if you're a minotaur or a hellhound.

On another note, her nod to height is admirable, but peculiar in its implementation. So you're dick height you can perform a standing blowjob. Neat. But... you're also excluded from regular sex because of your height difference. Except... If some one's twice as large as you surely they can just pick you up and fuck you. In fact why's there no carrying positions at all? My multi arms character already has no combat synergy, now there's no sexual synergy at all either, except being able to finger every one of your holes and theirs simultaneously. Which is kinda funny in its own right.

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

That's because imps are supposed to be the offspring of humans and demons according to lore. the reason this doesn't work in-game is because the 'half-succubus' race exists for some reason.

Imps are the result of human half-demons and anything equal or lower than that

 

[Scapdra1]

I mean, there are a lot of questionable decisions in the positioning system. here are a few of the ones that annoy me in no particular order:
Characters in standing 1 and standing 2/performing oral front 1 and performing oral front 2 cannot sexually interact with each other despite being right next to each other.
Characters in missionary and facesitting front cannot sexually interact despite facing each other in close proximity.

Edit: the latter might be because I tend to play short characters, have yet to confirm.

 

[Scapdra1]

Imps are the result of human half-demons and anything equal or lower than that
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That's only through breeding though. as far as the buggy transformation menu is concerned, imp is not an accessible race.


(Edit: I could have sworn there was a line of dialog during the story that said humans were discriminated against because all sexual encounters led to imps)

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

(Edit: I could have sworn there was a line of dialog during the story that said humans were discriminated against because all sexual encounters led to imps)

It's still essentially true, it may require an extra generation but human half-demon is pretty much a dead-end as far as demonic lineage is concerned. Best you can hope for is kicking the can down the road as long as your mates are demonic enough.

 

[anon707]

That's only through breeding though. as far as the buggy transformation menu is concerned, imp is not an accessible race.


(Edit: I could have sworn there was a line of dialog during the story that said humans were discriminated against because all sexual encounters led to imps)

this is actually not true. You CAN become an imp through the buggy transformation menu, its all about how you change yourself in order due to the weight system of determining your race. The first thing you HAVE to do is set yourself to at least below 4 feet tall (imp have a height limit determined for demon subrace), only after you're a short stack then you change all your body parts (except genitals, they do not count towards race weighting) to demonic and demonic only, no exceptions. Then you'll be recognized as an imp. Interestingly, when you become recognized as an imp you can then scale your height back up past the height limit and still be recognized as a imp, its only when you save with that extra height and reload do you become recognized as an incubus. This does not work the other way around. You cannot be an incubus, shrink, save and reload as an imp. So you have to keep all this in mind when trying to become an imp through the buggy transformation menu.

Or you know... just use the race reset option.

sidenotes: 1. this was tested in the 3.13 version, i assume this works well enough the same in 3.15, but with the recent focus on race modding and stuff you never know, so im just pointing this out.

2. after reloading as an incubus i used the buggy transformation to shrink below 4 feet, saved, reloaded, then tried to transform (using the legit demon transformation menu) back up and interestingly enough i cant get past the height limit just as a regular imp cant grow out of their height limit. So something in the game does see me as an imp in some way because functionally i cannot grow out of their height range. so I fixed this by just using the buggy transformation menu, grew past the limit, saved and reloaded, tried to shrink down past the limit and couldnt. This is all likely to keep the player from becoming a demon, shrinking down and the game weighting them as an imp when that goes against the lore, but the buggy menu transformation kept me as an incubus even after going down past that limit and reloading the save with the height... so... idk. food for thought I guess. This height transformation restriction applies to all races who can transform, so that includes slimes and youko.