Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[PussyPassAnon]

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TL;DR: Semantics and derailment. The point is that Innoxia is not effectively running their business. They are way too prone to influence from select people, rather than covering a broad amount of ground to secure a stable audience. This game cannot be sustained simply on basis that we ram an iron fist up its anus and regulate Innoxia into the ground. Innoxia will have to learn the hard way that business involves saying "no" a lot of the time and walking away from the table. The demand side, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have much problem with investing cash into a businessman that has no business plan, no clear development path, and no real obligation to deliver a product. We've been through this conversation before and will probably have it more times to come (I always enjoy them). It seems to me that people just have a strong faith in Innoxia to deliver a product, without any logical reason to believe it will actually happen. This actually describes religion, now that I think of it. But, that's another topic for another time. Thanks for reading.

 

[SordidDreams]

Semantics and derailment.

Yes, but on your part. We're done here.

 

[PussyPassAnon]

Yes, but on your part. We're done here.

Dude, you not having any arguments isn't my fault. I tried being decent, but you clearly don't want a good faith discussion.

 

[SordidDreams]

I told you responding in detail to long posts was tiresome and advised you to not bother typing one. I did everything I could to help you avoid wasting your time, but you chose to go ahead anyway. My conscience is clear.

 

[IvoryOwl]

I think we can agree that Innoxia is not your standard business woman and her donators are not your standard customers. In the (indie) porn industry, at least in my experience, there is more money than brains. This means the way most businesses are managed may not apply here (or at least not entirely anyway). Let's be honest, her stratagem sucks and she makes a lot of mistakes, but it works because porn has a way of bypassing logic, especially when the "product" being delivered as no real competition.

 

[PussyPassAnon]

I think we can agree that Innoxia is not your standard business woman and her donators are not your standard customers. In the (indie) porn industry, at least in my experience, there is more money than brains. This means the way businesses are generally managed may not apply here (or at least not entirely anyway). Let's be honest, her business stratagem sucks and she makes a lot of mistakes, but it works because porn tends to bypass logic, especially when the "product" being delivered as no real competition.

It mimics the form of addiction-dependent business. Like, with tobacco and alcohol? Porn has that kind of hold on people, causing them to makes these illogical decisions of which you speak.

I agree that when dealing with this kind of business, the laws of human nature skew. This, however, is why people of serious business mentalities stay away from these industries. You heard about OnlyFans trying to move away from being a pornographic outlet? This is why. It's not lucrative, because the demand is superficial and similar to a drug business. It's also a morally inferior business model in broad scopes, so they have to reconcile this with trying to grow a business. If you wouldn't invest into a whorehouse, why invest into a legal form of it? Nobody would, except the patrons themselves.

 

[AJLee7385]

is the a way to import a charctor but still edit styuff when starting new game

like say i saved alaexandra can i import and edit her stats

 

[PussyPassAnon]

is the a way to import a charctor but still edit styuff when starting new game

like say i saved alaexandra can i import and edit her stats

Yeah. You'd do it the same way you would as with any other MC. Nothing's frozen.

 

[Carl0sDanger]

... no business plan, no clear development path, and no real obligation to deliver a product.

See, the frustrating part for me is that I think Inno has the first two of those.

She has a stated plan to create a text-based RPG with a central storyline, then to add side content indefinitely. That's a solid plan, she's just refusing to stick to it.

As for the third, she may not have an obligation, but she does have an incentive. If she can get the central game finished - so, main quest done and the code in a state that additions can be reliably added without breaking everything - she'll be in a position to respond to requests/demands for particular content by pointing to her Subscribestar and mentioning the upcoming poll to decide what new feature or quest should be added to the game. That is, she'll have a core of subscribers that give her a steady income stream with a genuine incentive (ie. subscriber input) to attract new subscribers. She'll be picking between a selection of projects - any of which she would be enthused about and happy to work on - instead of staring into a black hole called "all that stuff I've got to do".

As things stand ATM though, what she's created is a system where she continually works on content that doesn't get her any closer to her goal for the sake of appealing to and appeasing a group of people (ie. Discord) who don't seem to care about her goal. Then she gets depressed that she isn't achieving her goal and takes a break from working towards it. Which - like most of the various manifestations of depression - just makes things worse.

 

[feelotraveller]

If someone picks making a furry porn game as their business venture, it's a safe bet to say they're doing it because they want to make a furry porn game, not because they want to make piles of cash.

Quoted for truth.*

See, the frustrating part for me is that I think Inno has the first two of those.

She has a stated plan to create a text-based RPG with a central storyline, then to add side content indefinitely. That's a solid plan, she's just refusing to stick to it. If she can get the central game finished - so, main quest done and the code in a state that additions can be reliably added without breaking everything - she'll be in a position to respond to requests/demands for particular content by pointing to her Subscribestar and mentioning the upcoming poll to decide what new feature or quest should be added to the game. That is, she'll have a core of subscribers that give her a steady income stream with a genuine incentive (ie. subscriber input) to attract new subscribers. She'll be picking between a selection of projects - any of which she would be enthused about and happy to work on - instead of staring into a black hole called "all that stuff I've got to do".

As things stand ATM though, what she's created is a system where she continually works on content that doesn't get her any closer to her goal for the sake of appealing to and appeasing a group of people (ie. Discord) who don't seem to care about her goal. Then she gets depressed that she isn't achieving her goal and takes a break from working towards it. Which - like most of the various manifestations of depression - just makes things worse.

This is where I think the LT community have got their relation/interaction with Innoxia all wrong - or at least the part of the community that want to see ongoing development of the game. Instead of trying to 'obligate' her (big stick) a better approach would be to 'incentivise' her (carrot). The big stick leads directly to more depression and less game development, at least as far as I can tell.

So I'll say - armpit sex, wow that's cool, never seen that in a game before (not one of my fetishes) rather than, oh fuck, still no progress on the main quest.



* My opinion of the 'business venture' part can be found by searching the thread for 'gift economy'.

 

[Tsugumi]

feelotraveller At this point, I believe that would backfire due to a snowball effect and a rather vicious cycle (assuming the scenario you described to be applicable): based on how little "main" content has been released, people are going to fear that throwing carrots at Innoxia for "side" content would incentivize her to make more of it instead...so they grab the stick...development slows down...unhappy people...stick...slowdown......"yeeeeeeeeah, NO!"

Personally, I think she needs to complete the "core" before expanding: content already produced is dependant on content you produce further down the line since you need to make "the old stuff" work with "the new stuff" (or scrap the new stuff). As there is more "side" content preceding the "main", the challenge is going to be to make the [eventually-developed] "main" work with the [already-existing] "side", and I fail to see such reversed dependancy as anything good for the development...or mental health, for that matter.

 

[AJLee7385]

been a while but i remember being able to kinda edit the town so i could dictate what kind sex spawns. but in this version doesnt seem to be there. are they gone now.

 

[PussyPassAnon]

[What is] created is a system where she continually works on content that doesn't get her any closer to her goal for the sake of appealing to and appeasing a group of people (ie. Discord) who don't seem to care about her goal. Then she gets depressed that she isn't achieving her goal and takes a break from working towards it. Which - like most of the various manifestations of depression - just makes things worse.

This is exactly where many modern businesses are going wrong, right now; I have to deal with this in an MMORPG I currently play as well, where people who don't care about the game are driving it off the rails with requests and demands that do nothing to promote the game's health whatsoever. Just like in this community, the requests are usually superficial, pointless ideas that appeal to literally 2 people in the entire community; the developers cater to them, thinking it's what everyone wants and then can't figure out why people aren't interested in their game. The answer is that developers are not listening to the core (they think they are); they are listening to the people who don't even play the game itself for the most part and have no investment into it. And in addition to that, the core audience doesn't even bother voicing themselves against most of these ideas, so the developers are only hearing one perspective and that perspective is never criticized or challenged.

The consequences of all this are clear; I don't understand why developers still continue to rest the fate of their business futures in the hands of careless, ignorant people who care nothing about them, their product, what they want, or their plans. These people then claim that if the devs stop listening, then it's because they don't care and can't handle criticism. This is absolutely disingenuous, because most of the feedback isn't even criticism; it's just tantrum-throwing children in adult bodies trying to bully the developers into shaping -- destroying -- yet another community or project on their behalf. The developers, Innoxia included, need to realize that they have to parse out the useless unconstructive feedback and pay attention to the core audience. They are what got you started and they will likely stay with you until the end, even through your mistakes. Don't get sucked into thinking that you have to please anyone that clearly has no real interest in your product outside a niche, specific instance. This is not Nyan Simulator 2100. This not Helena RPG 2.0. This is Lilith's Throne.

 

[throbzombie]

So, FriendlyAlienFriend, who did all of the best portraits in the game, is doing Takahashi's pics, and ithey're looking pretty good.

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Now for something that's actually pertinent. Said Inno:

I'll also use this post to quickly say that I'm still feeling quite wrecked, but that I'll hopefully be feeling better and be back to work on LT at the start of next week. Thank you all for your support, and I'll see you again soon!

That was posted on the 15th, so I'm going to guess that she's still not back at work yet.

 

[feelotraveller]

they grab the stick...development slows down...unhappy peope...stick...slowdown......

However it started that is more or less the situation we are now in.

Sure pursuing the core game is a good idea. If it is a choice between 'main' and 'side' then fine get on with the main stuff. But if the choice is between side or nothing (for whatever reason...) I'm all for side. At least it keeps the developer's head in the game, and the code.

Anyway I'm tickled pink to see armpit sex in the game, what other dev would even seriously consider it. One of those little things that makes Lilith's Throne stand out for me.

 

[AJLee7385]

does anyone have a liliara mom charcter save ii need one please

 

[Deleted member 2059697]

How did I increase my femininity and beauty with my androgynous character?I want he to be a girly boy.

 

[AJLee7385]

type b

How did I increase my femininity and beauty with my androgynous character?I want he to be a girly boy.

type buggy anywhhere after intro > select transform > right unger age is femenity slider

 

[BaloneyAmone]

How did I increase my femininity and beauty with my androgynous character?I want he to be a girly boy.

Any femininity items (the most reliable being the harpy perfume and lollipops, both of which can be reliably farmed from fights in the Harpy Nests) will inevitably give you enough femininity to go from androgynous to feminine. You can additionally enchant food items to increase your femininity. Characters are always considered sexually-attractive for their level of femininity, generally speaking.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Yo dudes/ttes

I played this game around the time it first released and wasn't really impressed, though I did find it's combat fuck whatever system to be interesting. How has it changed since then?

How does it stack up against something like CoC or TiTS?

therobzombie Eyyyy bro you don't post on CoC's thread much anymore, then again the game is basically dead with no proper updates.