Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[Tattletale21]

i get the feeling people dont even have fun on this game anymore, they have fun digging into the coding and seeing how fucked it is

 

[quanticnoob]

This was a weird one. For whatever reason Scarlett's owner ID ended up getting unset, so whenever it would try to do the hourly Manor update it would try to get Scarlett's owner in order to update her affection/obedience, fail, then completely give up.

I set Scarlett's owner to PlayerCharacter, and that appears to have corrected the time issue. The updated save is attached.

Thank you! Now hopefully whenever this happens again I can fix it myself. I had forgot to mention that detail before, that Scarlet was suddenly in a superposition of being both my slave and not my slave. Seemed to occur at some point as I was advancing Helena's quest, I would have to guess that some part of the code there is acting real funky and unsets Scarlet's slave status seemingly around the point I paint the store?

 

[BianTheGreat]

i get the feeling people dont even have fun on this game anymore, they have fun digging into the coding and seeing how fucked it is

On the first playthrough i geniuenly had fun, the story sadly ends pretty quickly so I ended up just backing up my save, fucking around and breaking the game. Elemental summons are OP, with slaves you can break the economy in a week and no enchantment limit can lead to interesting events. So yeah breaking the game is more fun now than actually playing it.

 

[Sarkath]

Thank you! Now hopefully whenever this happens again I can fix it myself. I had forgot to mention that detail before, that Scarlet was suddenly in a superposition of being both my slave and not my slave. Seemed to occur at some point as I was advancing Helena's quest, I would have to guess that some part of the code there is acting real funky and unsets Scarlet's slave status seemingly around the point I paint the store?

So, basically, she was Schrödinger's Harpy. Her slave status was indeterminate until she was observed. Fascinating.

That sounds like a logical explanation. Kinda sounds like the code to transition her from a slave to free ended up doing something wrong. I can say for sure that it didn't happen last time I played through that (though that was a while ago…) so it might be a new issue.

I know Inno and friends have been moving a bunch of story data out of the Java codebase and into XML files, so maybe the breakage is related to that.

 

[tehlemon]

Not too long! Fortunately, advancing time threw an exception, so I was able to just snag the stack trace from error.log. At that point I was able to set a breakpoint to confirm the issue and work out which NPC was the culprit.

If that failed I would have just single-stepped my way through endTurn(). I know my way around that function fairly well thanks to my previous experiments.

Ahh, that's not so bad then. I was expecting you to say you were stepping through and finding the issue the slow way lol

i get the feeling people dont even have fun on this game anymore, they have fun digging into the coding and seeing how fucked it is

I mean, it's been like 9 months since any interesting content was added to the game. And its been almost two months since some boring content was added to the game.

WTF else are you going to do at this point. Outside of starting the game to find the answer to someone's questions, I haven't actually played the thing in almost a year. The last time I bothered was in meraxis, or however its spelt, got some new content.

 

[Airell]

I usually don't comment on other devs' threads unless it's a game I enjoy. And this is the case.

I'm really hopeful that after a few years more content has been added to the game but after reading the recent comments I have a bad feeling. I'm a dev, but I speak here as a player. I remember the last time I played this game was before I started my game. That was... The main city underground (Submission...?) castle/mansion map had been added, and some content with the ancient demoness that likes human men. (sorry, that's a long time and I don't remember her name anymore)

If anyone can say precisely what year this was, I would be grateful.

I think that's at least two years... or more. The last couple of years have been pretty tiring for me, but the focus here is: How is the game now? I would like to see denser writing, more well-constructed writen scenes and characters and the last time I played it I was looking forward to seeing that.

I honestly think more than two years is more than enough for such a thing. I like text RPGs, and they are always my main preference for playing and have been my main inspiration to start my own game. Recent comments have blown my expectations though.

 

[Deleted member 3541029]

....I honestly think more than two years is more than enough for such a thing. I like text RPGs, and they are always my main preference for playing and have been my main inspiration to start my own game. Recent comments have blown my expectations though.

Abandon all hope ye who enter here (c)Dante Alighieri

 

[Hongfire Survivor]

I usually don't comment on other devs' threads unless it's a game I enjoy. And this is the case.

I'm really hopeful that after a few years more content has been added to the game but after reading the recent comments I have a bad feeling. I'm a dev, but I speak here as a player. I remember the last time I played this game was before I started my game. That was... The main city underground (Submission...?) castle/mansion map had been added, and some content with the ancient demoness that likes human men. (sorry, that's a long time and I don't remember her name anymore)

If anyone can say precisely what year this was, I would be grateful.

I think that's at least two years... or more. The last couple of years have been pretty tiring for me, but the focus here is: How is the game now? I would like to see denser writing, more well-constructed writen scenes and characters and the last time I played it I was looking forward to seeing that.

I honestly think more than two years is more than enough for such a thing. I like text RPGs, and they are always my main preference for playing and have been my main inspiration to start my own game. Recent comments have blown my expectations though.

This jog your memory? Would have been from December 2019

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[Airell]

This jog your memory? Would have been from December 2019

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Yeah, a long time and a lot has changed since then. Among this is that I unfortunately lost a lot of my free time. Thanks btw.

It's weird to see that this thread has turned into an eternal sea of tears.

 

[IvoryOwl]

I usually don't comment on other devs' threads unless it's a game I enjoy. And this is the case.

I'm really hopeful that after a few years more content has been added to the game but after reading the recent comments I have a bad feeling. I'm a dev, but I speak here as a player. I remember the last time I played this game was before I started my game. That was... The main city underground (Submission...?) castle/mansion map had been added, and some content with the ancient demoness that likes human men. (sorry, that's a long time and I don't remember her name anymore)

If anyone can say precisely what year this was, I would be grateful.

I think that's at least two years... or more. The last couple of years have been pretty tiring for me, but the focus here is: How is the game now? I would like to see denser writing, more well-constructed writen scenes and characters and the last time I played it I was looking forward to seeing that.

I honestly think more than two years is more than enough for such a thing. I like text RPGs, and they are always my main preference for playing and have been my main inspiration to start my own game. Recent comments have blown my expectations though.

I regret to inform that not a whole lot has been added since then. The Fields (next major area) was promised back in 2018 but only came to fruition last year, as a result of Inno's procrastination and tendency to get distracted by side-content (some of which was unplanned) and minor NPCs. The companion system was abandoned (you can still enable it, though at your own peril). I made a post about what was really done over the years (though I didn't continue past 2021). You can see it here.

According to some, the quality of the writing has deteriorated and some of the new NPCs are either too niche to be enjoyable or at least pander too much to minor crowds, making it debatable whether or not the amount of time spent writing them was justifiable at that point in time. Also, Inno's progress has been slowing down more and more each year. Some attribute it to personal problems, such as lack of motivation, others say the code is becoming a tangled mess that is making it harder and harder to add content. I think both arguments are true.

Right now, it has been 2 months since the latest release (3 months, if we count the latest free build) and we're back to delays after delays and delays for the delays. The last free update was in February, the last preview update was in March, she made two posts after that and then radio silence. Her last post in SubStar is from March (meaning she wrote an update on the blog but didn't post anything for her subscribers). And yet she is relatively active on Discord, but only for off-topic stuff...

 

[Airell]

I regret to inform that not a whole lot has been added since then. The Fields (next major area) was promised back in 2018 but only came to fruition last year, as a result of Inno's procrastination and tendency to get getting distracted by side-content (some of which was unplanned) and minor NPCs. The companion system was abandoned (you can still enable it, though at your own peril). I made a post about what was really done over the years (though I didn't continue past mid 2021). You can see it here.

According to some, the quality of the writing has deteriorated and some of the new NPCs are either too niche to be enjoyable or at least pander too much to minor crowds, making it debatable whether or not the amount of time spent writing them was justifiable at that point in time. Also, Inno's progress has been slowing down more and more each year. Some attribute it to personal problems, such as lack of motivation, others say the code is becoming a tangled mess that is making it harder and harder to add content. I think both arguments are true.

Right now, it has been 2 months since the latest release (3 months, if we count the latest free build) and we're back to delays after delays and delays for the delays. The last free update was in February, the last preview update was in March, she made two posts after that and then radio silence. Her last post in SubStar is from March (meaning she wrote an update on the blog but didn't post anything for her subscribers). And yet she is relatively active on Discord, but only for off-topic stuff...

I thought there would be some writing in the future (at least for unique characters) in addition to a lot more writing layers to the sex system (after all this is the main sex mode of the game) and at least unique content in the sex sys for unique NPCs. I'm the type that likes dense writing, but honestly... Broken expectations.

I remember seeing this game when it was released here on this forum, it's been 5 years... But I don't like to get stuck with broken expectations.

I'll keep my conclusions to myself after reading the whole thing in this thread. I just say it's sad to see it.

 

[Dr.Feelgood]

Three weeks and counting. I wonder how little content is going to be in this update when it is finally released next month.

Here we go, week #4. We're only one more away from a whole month of radio silence. Let's see how high this'll ride!

 

[Sellybelly]

"Cry me a river" is the best Summary of the comment section in this thread.

 

[lonaburner]

Is there anywhere where Inoxxia puts their betas/release candidates for us to try? I find it hard to believe that 4.4 is so broken it's still in an un-releasable state

 

[BaloneyAmone]

Is there anywhere where Inoxxia puts their betas/release candidates for us to try? I find it hard to believe that 4.4 is so broken it's still in an un-releasable state

The preview builds that are compilable from the "dev-build" repository is all that the public eye gets.
However, if you manage to gain access to her github account (in Minecraftblox, mind you), there's almost certainly a private repository that in-progress builds are uploaded to that would both show how much work on the next version is done and how much work is being done on a regular basis. Until someone reaches that level of insanity, however, we'll not know for certain.

 

[IvoryOwl]

Is there anywhere where Inoxxia puts their betas/release candidates for us to try? I find it hard to believe that 4.4 is so broken it's still in an un-releasable state

The game comes in two versions; "free" and "preview" builds.

Both versions are available to the public for free, the only difference is that the "free" updates you can just download and play while the "preview" version has to be manually built and compiled following a set of instructions, and that's not always easy due to a myriad of technical problems that may or may not arise. If you're a subscriber, the "preview" builds are just download n' play like the "free" version. Basically, "previews" are just a little incentive for people to support the game.

If you mean building from the github as progress is made.... you are on your own there. Good luck.
Someone more knowledgeable than me may provide a better answer.

 

[Hongfire Survivor]

I regret to inform that not a whole lot has been added since then. The Fields (next major area) was promised back in 2018 but only came to fruition last year, as a result of Inno's procrastination and tendency to get getting distracted by side-content (some of which was unplanned) and minor NPCs. The companion system was abandoned (you can still enable it, though at your own peril). I made a post about what was really done over the years (though I didn't continue past 2021). You can see it here.

Thank you for your extremely detailed write up.

That was a ride. People can have sympathy until you tally up the numbers and realize she makes over $80,000 a year from this project. Assuming she didn't leave her day job, she would be clearing over $100k a year.

When money is on the line, very difficult to feel bad.

This game will be finished when she gives up and a community of devs step in to finish it. With her at the helm, it'll be a few years before we gain real content.

$80k a year to say sorry over and over like it's a feature. SMH.

 

[Tattletale21]

Here we go, week #4. We're only one more away from a whole month of radio silence. Let's see how high this'll ride!

i...you might wanna rethink that sentence, because last i recall a month is universally acknowledged as being four weeks long. so using this logic it's already been a month of silence we're moving into the fifth week of it.

 

[BobaTheOrc]

The companion system was abandoned (you can still enable it, though at your own peril).

Of all the things to be changed or removed, this is the one that hurts me the most. There is so, so, so much depth to be had (at least in relativity to everything else in the game) with companions. You could make an ultra slutty character and then make your partner a prude who is dragged into sex with you. You could make a weak character that's protected by a sexually dominant bodyguard. You could put a femboy in a chastity cage and let your companion have all the sex instead. You could cover your companion in piercings and disparaging tattoos and parade them around town like a trashy fuckdoll. The list goes on and on, and seems to only be limited by your imagination and perversion.

Now it's slowly becoming less and less relevant. You can't give enforcers up to your companion, or vice versa. Hell, they can't even participate! It sucks, and the fact that updates were once weekly and full of at least some kind of content once or twice a month, now she's just spamming excuses, and only once a month. It reads like lip service.

 

[Shorsey]

Of all the things to be changed or removed, this is the one that hurts me the most. There is so, so, so much depth to be had (at least in relativity to everything else in the game) with companions. You could make an ultra slutty character and then make your partner a prude who is dragged into sex with you. You could make a weak character that's protected by a sexually dominant bodyguard. You could put a femboy in a chastity cage and let your companion have all the sex instead. You could cover your companion in piercings and disparaging tattoos and parade them around town like a trashy fuckdoll. The list goes on and on, and seems to only be limited by your imagination and perversion.

Now it's slowly becoming less and less relevant. You can't give enforcers up to your companion, or vice versa. Hell, they can't even participate! It sucks, and the fact that updates were once weekly and full of at least some kind of content once or twice a month, now she's just spamming excuses, and only once a month. It reads like lip service.

The funny thing is: one of the reasons she dropped the system is because it was taking to much time and would delay updates.
But after she dropped it the delays got even bigger.