RPGM Lisa [v3.0.2] [PaleGrass]

[TheLecher]

Without the aoife scene,i dont know why lisa is gonna worry about saving her from tony,i can understand the need of taking out paul and duncan(eventhough its frustrating to see these scenes being cut),i dont know why aoife scenes being cut down ,i think its part of the story and keeping scenes like that is essential for the BANG at the later stages!

Aoife's scene with Riggs is being changed because Riggs forced Aoife to give him a blowjob. Depending on local legal definitions, this is sexual assault at the least, and rape at the worst. And Lisa uses the word "rape" at least twice in her dialogue with Theo during that scene. So I imagine that PaleGrass will be changing her dialogue, to remove those instances of that now forbidden word. And I'm sure that he'll also be reworking the renders and other dialogue, to make it seem that Aoife has no objection to sucking Riggs' cock.

As for Lisa's motivation to rescue Aoife, going forward, I suppose it will just be that Aoife seems sad and anxious when Lisa talks with her at the coffee shop and when they go shopping.

now i am really worried about what all changes gonna come in the future?no scenes of depicting how cruel riggs and his men are,so there wont be scenes where lisa is kinda of put in place by circumstances to do stuffs she is not comfortable with(SO BYE BYE TO DARK GANGBANGS STUFFS with bad guys),so it would be just pretty lame fight of riggs threatening lisa and her friends and whoo without any cruels acts she is gonna rise up and defeat all of them...

We also know, from posts which PaleGrass made earlier in this thread, that there were future scenes of sexual peril planned for Jo and Viv. It's a pretty safe bet that those scenes will now not appear in the game.

So yes, this change will not only affect the current Paul and Duncan paths and one scene with Aoife, but will certainly also affect future content in the game.

 

[Alea iacta est]

Aoife's scene with Riggs is being changed because Riggs forced Aoife to give him a blowjob. Depending on local legal definitions, this is sexual assault at the least, and rape at the worst. And Lisa uses the word "rape" at least twice in her dialogue with Theo during that scene. So I imagine that PaleGrass will be changing her dialogue, to remove those instances of that now forbidden word. And I'm sure that he'll also be reworking the renders and other dialogue, to make it seem that Aoife has no objection to sucking Riggs' cock.

As for Lisa's motivation to rescue Aoife, going forward, I suppose it will just be that Aoife seems sad and anxious when Lisa talks with her at the coffee shop and when they go shopping.



We also know, from posts which PaleGrass made earlier in this thread, that there were future scenes of sexual peril planned for Jo and Viv. It's a pretty safe bet that those scenes will now not appear in the game.

So yes, this change will not only affect the current Paul and Duncan paths and one scene with Aoife, but will certainly also affect future content in the game.

discussing definition of sexual assault in a pixelated game is the most odd thing I would have expected in my life.

 

[PalmFace]

Aoife's scene with Riggs is being changed because Riggs forced Aoife to give him a blowjob. Depending on local legal definitions, this is sexual assault at the least, and rape at the worst. And Lisa uses the word "rape" at least twice in her dialogue with Theo during that scene. So I imagine that PaleGrass will be changing her dialogue, to remove those instances of that now forbidden word. And I'm sure that he'll also be reworking the renders and other dialogue, to make it seem that Aoife has no objection to sucking Riggs' cock.

As for Lisa's motivation to rescue Aoife, going forward, I suppose it will just be that Aoife seems sad and anxious when Lisa talks with her at the coffee shop and when they go shopping.



We also know, from posts which PaleGrass made earlier in this thread, that there were future scenes of sexual peril planned for Jo and Viv. It's a pretty safe bet that those scenes will now not appear in the game.

So yes, this change will not only affect the current Paul and Duncan paths and one scene with Aoife, but will certainly also affect future content in the game.

It's been a while since I last played this game. What were the Paul and Duncan parts focused on again? Were they problematic for the same reason as Aoife's scene?

 

[Alkizon]

It's been a while since I last played this game. What were the Paul and Duncan parts focused on again? Were they problematic for the same reason as Aoife's scene?

Kind of,

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[♂Brout&Minou♀]

Nope.. There is a camping trip later on, with Lisa alone with the boys.. I do believe you need to be a bit into Moodys quest before it unlocks..

Is this camping trip/quest related to Byron quest? Is Byron one of the "boys"? I think I'm far cause Moody's quest don't click anything to me. At least for now

 

[Can't_See_77]

I was subbed on Patreon, but I'm canceling at the end of the month. I feel bad for Palegrass and understand none of this is his fault, but I'm just not interested in any of the other routes. This all just really sucks. I want to hope for a possible patch one day with the continuation of the old content. I just don't know how that would be possible unless someone Pale trust were to post it for him.

 

[OVTPVT]

Is this camping trip/quest related to Byron quest? Is Byron one of the "boys"? I think I'm far cause Moody's quest don't click anything to me. At least for now

Lisa goes to trip with Danny,Calvin & Gunner

 

[PalmFace]

Kind of,

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Aah thanks, that does explain a lot. Not allowing that in a fictional work is kind of a bummer though :/

 

[nimsen]

Tried search but didn't find any recent info when ren'py version is going to be updated?
So just asking...

 

[Xhin]

Tried search but didn't find any recent info when ren'py version is going to be updated?
So just asking...

 

[Xhin]

The amount of times this question is asked has me convinced that alot of people on this site is colorblind. Aleast to the color of yellow lmao

 

[♂Brout&Minou♀]

Nope.. There is a camping trip later on, with Lisa alone with the boys.. I do believe you need to be a bit into Moodys quest before it unlocks..

Ok I finally came across Byron's text to go to the beach and suddenly everything seems to be unfolding and falling into place. I found Aoife so Marcus appears and invites her to the campsite and so on. I just wait to trigger the Moodys thing
Thanks

 

[Ravnen]

Ok I finally came across Byron's text to go to the beach and suddenly everything seems to be unfolding and falling into place. I found Aoife so Marcus appears and invites her to the campsite and so on. I just wait to trigger the Moodys thing
Thanks

No worries.. Danni invites Lisa to come by Moodys shop at one point. You can find the place after meeting Aoife at the restaurant where Calvin works..

 

[maiie]

Without the aoife scene,i dont know why lisa is gonna worry about saving her from tony,i can understand the need of taking out paul and duncan(eventhough its frustrating to see these scenes being cut),i dont know why aoife scenes being cut down ,i think its part of the story and keeping scenes like that is essential for the BANG at the later stages!

now i am really worried about what all changes gonna come in the future?no scenes of depicting how cruel riggs and his men are,so there wont be scenes where lisa is kinda of put in place by circumstances to do stuffs she is not comfortable with(SO BYE BYE TO DARK GANGBANGS STUFFS with bad guys),so it would be just pretty lame fight of riggs threatening lisa and her friends and whoo without any cruels acts she is gonna rise up and defeat all of them...

just think about the kill bill scene(where uma thurman begs to save her child)/r*** scene(monica belluci r***d in subway) in irreversible,without those scene it just would have some another news journal that you would have gone through and forget it once you exit the place...because of these scenes being present and you suffocate while you watch it and the emotion u go through is what makes these movies stand out from the rest of the crap!

and also i can understand the need of quitting duncan and paul paths as they were additional stuffs,but i think PaleGrass ,need to clarify us on what can we expect from here on ?

and also think of a scene having lisa being passed down by men taking turns and how she turns around in later stage and kills the same guys who treated her as a piece of meat...and i dont think it would make a bad story,rather breaking the norms of what makes one stronger!

Is rape seriously the only way someone can experience hardship to you?

I just don't want her to turn into... the (all perfect, all strong, flawless, can solve problems perfectly and most importantly, Can't fucking relate to) female protagonist of today's Hollywood.

Examples are : Rey Skywalker, Captain Marvel, She Hulk, Anastasia Steele (Fifty Shades of Grey), Bella Swan (The Twilight Saga), and recently.... fucking Barbie!. These are just a bunch of factory developed characters made for sissies and pussified people.

YEAH! And don't forget about Captain America! Can you imagine how much cooler and darkerer it would be if they all gang raped him in the elevator in Winter Soldier? Freakin' gutless Disney writers.

 

[HipHip89]

Is the start of Jayce's party the end of the 2.80b?

 

[tubitvdishi2]

Is rape seriously the only way someone can experience hardship to you?



YEAH! And don't forget about Captain America! Can you imagine how much cooler and darkerer it would be if they all gang raped him in the elevator in Winter Soldier? Freakin' gutless Disney writers.

I am not saying that rape is mandatory. But I want to see her go through turmoil. Right now (based on the route selection), she is cheating on her boyfriend. That's nothing new these days.

Now, if she, with the help of the cops, goes undercover and has to do certain terrible things... then I would love to see that. I wanna see her maybe go through an identity crisis, depression, or commit murder (for the greater good, of course).

But given that this is a gorgeous looking woman mainly surrounded by "capable" men... some forced or manipulative sexual action would definitely be on the table. That's just human nature..

Best example :

Lisbeth Salander, The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo - She spent her life completely manipulated and having people trying to control her. Yet, she stood her ground and was 100% herself. She never cared that everyone judged her based on her appearance. Lisbeth was much tougher than your average person because she had to fight for everything in life.

Elinor Dashwood, Sense and Sensibility - She's level-headed, responsible, and kind, all the while knowing that things likely aren't going to go her way. She was fully prepared to live in misery for the rest of her life if it meant her family were as happy as possible given their circumstances.

My idea of her going undercover comes from these images, and I am pretty sure most of us have thought about this too :








Now come on... the collection of pictures would make a fantastic 'LISA goes Undercover' story where she might come across things that she regretfully has to do, like being a Stripper, prostitute, doing hard drugs, or even Shooting up people.

This would take a toll on her morality and shape her personality, either for good or bad.

She would probably go undercover to protect Aoife because of :


Here in 'Aoife college scene' at the end, she admits to herself that she would do anything to protect Aoife.

Now, this is just what I would do with her regarding her character arc:
Beginning - Cute, Bubbly, and Carefree
Middle - Broken, Grizzled and Vengeful
End - In Control, Peaceful and Stoic

Anyways...

Cheers

 

[maiie]

I am not saying that rape is mandatory. But I want to see her go through turmoil. Right now (based on the route selection), she is cheating on her boyfriend. That's nothing new these days.

Now, if she, with the help of the cops, goes undercover and has to do certain terrible things... then I would love to see that. I wanna see her maybe go through an identity crisis, depression, or commit murder (for the greater good, of course).

But given that this is a gorgeous looking woman mainly surrounded by "capable" men... some forced or manipulative sexual action would definitely be on the table. That's just human nature..

Best example :

Lisbeth Salander, The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo - She spent her life completely manipulated and having people trying to control her. Yet, she stood her ground and was 100% herself. She never cared that everyone judged her based on her appearance. Lisbeth was much tougher than your average person because she had to fight for everything in life.

Elinor Dashwood, Sense and Sensibility - She's level-headed, responsible, and kind, all the while knowing that things likely aren't going to go her way. She was fully prepared to live in misery for the rest of her life if it meant her family were as happy as possible given their circumstances.

My idea of her going undercover comes from these images, and I am pretty sure most of us have thought about this too :

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Now come on... the collection of pictures would make a fantastic 'LISA goes Undercover' story where she might come across things that she regretfully has to do, like being a Stripper, prostitute, doing hard drugs, or even Shooting up people.

This would take a toll on her morality and shape her personality, either for good or bad.

She would probably go undercover to protect Aoife because of :
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Here in 'Aoife college scene' at the end, she admits to herself that she would do anything to protect Aoife.

Now, this is just what I would do with her regarding her character arc:
Beginning - Cute, Bubbly, and Carefree
Middle - Broken, Grizzled and Vengeful
End - In Control, Peaceful and Stoic

Anyways...

Cheers

To be fair, the 'rape is mandatory' question was to someone else. I agree with everything you just posted and it would be great, I would love to play through that. The part I disagreed with was trotting out the quintessential incel female protagonist hitlist as a comparison.

 

[Innocent->Devil]

I am not saying that rape is mandatory. But I want to see her go through turmoil. Right now (based on the route selection), she is cheating on her boyfriend. That's nothing new these days.

Now, if she, with the help of the cops, goes undercover and has to do certain terrible things... then I would love to see that. I wanna see her maybe go through an identity crisis, depression, or commit murder (for the greater good, of course).

But given that this is a gorgeous looking woman mainly surrounded by "capable" men... some forced or manipulative sexual action would definitely be on the table. That's just human nature..

Best example :

Lisbeth Salander, The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo - She spent her life completely manipulated and having people trying to control her. Yet, she stood her ground and was 100% herself. She never cared that everyone judged her based on her appearance. Lisbeth was much tougher than your average person because she had to fight for everything in life.

Elinor Dashwood, Sense and Sensibility - She's level-headed, responsible, and kind, all the while knowing that things likely aren't going to go her way. She was fully prepared to live in misery for the rest of her life if it meant her family were as happy as possible given their circumstances.

My idea of her going undercover comes from these images, and I am pretty sure most of us have thought about this too :

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View attachment 2858805 View attachment 2858806
View attachment 2858809 View attachment 2858810
View attachment 2858814 View attachment 2858817
View attachment 2858821 View attachment 2858822

Now come on... the collection of pictures would make a fantastic 'LISA goes Undercover' story where she might come across things that she regretfully has to do, like being a Stripper, prostitute, doing hard drugs, or even Shooting up people.

This would take a toll on her morality and shape her personality, either for good or bad.

She would probably go undercover to protect Aoife because of :
View attachment 2858844 View attachment 2858845
View attachment 2858846
Here in 'Aoife college scene' at the end, she admits to herself that she would do anything to protect Aoife.

Now, this is just what I would do with her regarding her character arc:
Beginning - Cute, Bubbly, and Carefree
Middle - Broken, Grizzled and Vengeful
End - In Control, Peaceful and Stoic

Anyways...

Cheers

Going undercover seems fantastic idea.

 

[Innocent->Devil]

Hey PG! could you maybe add a cherry on the cake by making some animations to the scenes?

 

[TheLecher]

To be fair, the 'rape is mandatory' question was to someone else.

I haven't seen anyone in this thread make a claim that rape is mandatory to tell a story with dark themes. However, rape is one of the themes which was present in this story, and it's entirely legitimate that it should be. And, being present, rape content in this game was one of the stronger elements which pushed the game's story further into having a dark tone. The fact that these themes cannot now be explored in the game, regardless of whose fault that is or isn't, certainly takes some of the bite out of the story and lowers the stakes. To suggest that this is not the case is, in my opinion, either dishonest or naïve.

Hey PG! could you maybe add a cherry on the cake by making some animations to the scenes?

This has already been answered in this thread. PaleGrass will not be adding animations to the game, at least for the foreseeable future.