RPGM Lisa [v3.0.5] [PaleGrass]

[PaleGrass]

I mentioned it a little in the Patreon post and I'm gonna expand on it in the next too but Paul's storyline is the one arc of the game I really dislike. I find it hard to reason with Paul in any way which makes it difficult to write and hard to engage myself in.

I've decided to take it in another direction - the planned scenes throughout the Paul arc remain the same or similar but the way in which they're achieved is wholly different. The problem lies in the scenes to date so depending on the reception of the upcoming Paul content it's likely I'll have to scrap a lot of his early content and re-do it. (If I do remake the older scenes I will leave the current content in the recollection room)

I know this will potentially irk some of you guys but I gotta love what I'm doing. I need to be in love with it which I'm not at the moment and I'm pretty sure it shows in the quality of the content. I think it's easier to change things now rather than a year down the line.

Just know that I'm not doing it to upset or annoy anyone, the very idea that this might happen is wracking my nerves already because of how popular Paul's content seems to be. I am so grateful to everyone who plays the game, everyone who sends me wonderful messages or drops a comment in the thread.

I am confident that this new concept is a better storyline with a much more believable premise for the little rat

 

[TheLecher]

I mentioned it a little in the Patreon post...

You also mentioned it on your SubscribeStar post, which I assume is identical to your Patreon post. At least, as someone who supports you on SubscribeStar, I hope that the posts we get there are identical to the Patreon posts.

Eventually Patreon is going to come for your game, and you're going to have to do one of three things:

1. You're going to have to move everything over to SubscribeStar and hope that your patrons on Patreon follow you over to the new platform. I think most of them would follow you, but probably not all of them.
2. You're going to cave in to Patreon, and censor yourself into oblivion, which will be the end of my interest in the game and in you as a developer of any future games.
3. You're going to have a Patreon version of the game and a SubscribeStar version of the game. The positive side of this is that, at least it isn't option 2. The negative side is that, since you have more supporters on Patreon than on SubscribeStar, the censored version of the game would probably drive development more than the uncensored version would.

... and I'm gonna expand on it in the next too but Paul's storyline is the one arc of the game I really dislike. I find it hard to reason with Paul in any way which makes it difficult to write and hard to engage myself in.

I've decided to take it in another direction - the planned scenes throughout the Paul arc remain the same or similar but the way in which they're achieved is wholly different. The problem lies in the scenes to date so depending on the reception of the upcoming Paul content it's likely I'll have to scrap a lot of his early content and re-do it. (If I do remake the older scenes I will leave the current content in the recollection room)

When I first read the post on SubscribeStar, I got the impression that your dissatisfaction was with Paul's motivation for blackmailing Lisa. I confess that I find it hard to sympathize with that perspective, because, to me, a reasonable motivation for Paul to blackmail Lisa has always been crystal clear. But, since you're the writer, I can see why you would want to have something which makes sense to you.

But a couple of the phrases above have me scratching my head. When you say that you "find it hard to reason with Paul" and that "it makes it difficult to write and hard to engage", and then you say that "the planned scenes throughout the Paul arc remain the same or similar, but the way in which they're achieved is wholly different", it makes me wonder if what you dislike isn't Paul's character or Paul's motivation, but rather blackmail as a mechanism. In particular, the statement "the way in which they're achieved is wholly different" makes me wonder if you're planning to back off of the blackmail plot device and use something else instead.

Hopefully, I'm completely misreading what you're saying. That wouldn't be too difficult, because your language has been pretty vague, so far.

I know this will potentially irk some of you guys but I gotta love what I'm doing. I need to be in love with it which I'm not at the moment and I'm pretty sure it shows in the quality of the content.

I'm a strong proponent of artists following their creative vision. And I do think that, on the whole, it's a good thing for an artist to love the art they create, since that serves to motivate them to create more. On the other hand, I think it's foolish nonsense to suggest that an artist needs to love what they're doing all of the time. Sometimes the artistic process is painful, arduous, tedious, or even tortured, and some of the best art in history has resulted from the less pleasant aspects of that process.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing for you to slavishly plod along in something which you aren't enjoying. I'm just saying that no artist loves their art all of the time, with the possible exception of the late Bob Ross, and I think it's a bad development that this has become such a widespread assumption among artists today.

As for some of us being irked, I can only speak for myself. If you need to make some alternations to Paul's motivations in order for you to find it believable, so be it. That alone wouldn't irk me, although I'm not going to assume that his new motivations will necessarily be better than they were before. As I said, in my mind, there has always been a crystal clear and highly believable reason for Paul to blackmail Lisa. Feel free to hit me up and talk about it, if you're so inclined. On the other hand, if you're planning to abandon blackmail for Paul's arc and go some other route, then that will most certainly irk me.

Also, I want to go on record as not having seen any decrease in the quality of your work. So that hasn't been as clear to at least some of us as it seems to be to you.

Just know that I'm not doing it to upset or annoy anyone, the very idea that this might happen is wracking my nerves already because of how popular Paul's content seems to be. I am so grateful to everyone who plays the game, everyone who sends me wonderful messages or drops a comment in the thread.

I am confident that this new concept is a better storyline with a much more believable premise for the little rat

See now, the fact that your nerves are wracked by the changes which you're planning, and that this is in view of how popular Paul's content has been... I'm really getting the feeling here that you want to "abort mission" on the blackmail theme. I really hope that I'm completely misreading you, which is certainly possible.

 

[PaleGrass]

You also mentioned it on your SubscribeStar post, which I assume is identical to your Patreon post. At least, as someone who supports you on SubscribeStar, I hope that the posts we get there are identical to the Patreon posts.

Yeah the content of the posts is just copy pasted though on SS it's nice because it let's you put little notes under the images which is absent on Patreon ^_^

Eventually Patreon is going to come for your game, and you're going to have to do one of three things:

1. You're going to have to move everything over to SubscribeStar and hope that your patrons on Patreon follow you over to the new platform. I think most of them would follow you, but probably not all of them.
2. You're going to cave in to Patreon, and censor yourself into oblivion, which will be the end of my interest in the game and in you as a developer of any future games.
3. You're going to have a Patreon version of the game and a SubscribeStar version of the game. The positive side of this is that, at least it isn't option 2. The negative side is that, since you have more supporters on Patreon than on SubscribeStar, the censored version of the game would probably drive development more than the uncensored version would.
   

Two versions of the game is the way I'm leaning for now with Patreon being the only site where the content is tailored though I don't know whether they'll still come after me even without posting anything against their ToS on their site.

When I first read the post on SubscribeStar, I got the impression that your dissatisfaction was with Paul's motivation for blackmailing Lisa. I confess that I find it hard to sympathize with that perspective, because, to me, a reasonable motivation for Paul to blackmail Lisa has always been crystal clear. But, since you're the writer, I can see why you would want to have something which makes sense to you.

But a couple of the phrases above have me scratching my head. When you say that you "find it hard to reason with Paul" and that "it makes it difficult to write and hard to engage", and then you say that "the planned scenes throughout the Paul arc remain the same or similar, but the way in which they're achieved is wholly different", it makes me wonder if what you dislike isn't Paul's character or Paul's motivation, but rather blackmail as a mechanism. In particular, the statement "the way in which they're achieved is wholly different" makes me wonder if you're planning to back off of the blackmail plot device and use something else instead.

Hopefully, I'm completely misreading what you're saying. That wouldn't be too difficult, because your language has been pretty vague, so far.

The new idea for Paul's story is still largely based on blackmail albeit a completely different blackmail to the photos with Viv so it isn't blackmail per say, I just don't find Paul believable as a person. He's so sadistic and so completely void of any sense of empathy that I imagine probably only happens in really broken early lives or something. It just doesn't fit quite right to me personally. The playful teasing around the house all made sense because it was and still is the case that Paul has always had a crush on Lisa, I just think it went a little crazy and I'm trying to write my way into something less "evil" or at least a different kind of evil

I know I'm the one who has written and developed all of this content that I claim to really dislike but as I've talked about before it's largely a confidence boost that has changed the way in which I do things. Paul like so many other things in the game were originally created to play as "fan service" not because they bolstered the story or because I thought they'd be good additions - I just wanted as many different avenues of content and as many "tags" as I could possibly fit and that's the God's honest truth but as time's gone on and I've shifted and moved so many pieces to make them fit into this story which I absolutely adore, I feel that Paul is perhaps the final outlier that needs remedied ^_^

I'm a strong proponent of artists following their creative vision. And I do think that, on the whole, it's a good thing for an artist to love the art they create, since that serves to motivate them to create more. On the other hand, I think it's foolish nonsense to suggest that an artist needs to love what they're doing all of the time. Sometimes the artistic process is painful, arduous, tedious, or even tortured, and some of the best art in history has resulted from the less pleasant aspects of that process.

I hear you mate, even content that isn't particularly my taste in the game to date I can still reason with the motivations of the characters and I know I probably sound like a broken record here but that is my issue with Paul.

As for some of us being irked, I can only speak for myself. If you need to make some alternations to Paul's motivations in order for you to find it believable, so be it. That alone wouldn't irk me, although I'm not going to assume that his new motivations will necessarily be better than they were before. As I said, in my mind, there has always been a crystal clear and highly believable reason for Paul to blackmail Lisa. Feel free to hit me up and talk about it, if you're so inclined. On the other hand, if you're planning to abandon blackmail for Paul's arc and go some other route, then that will most certainly irk me.

I am going to try and fit this new concept into the game as it stands currently without re-making the previous content. It isn't an easy thing to do because of the tempo shift but I'm gonna give it my best anyway, if it doesn't work then I'll probably remake some scenes or alter them (there's alterations to be made in either case). The last thing I ever want to do is irritate you guys, especially users that have been with me since the start like yourself Lecher.

See now, the fact that your nerves are wracked by the changes which you're planning, and that this is in view of how popular Paul's content has been... I'm really getting the feeling here that you want to "abort mission" on the blackmail theme. I really hope that I'm completely misreading you, which is certainly possible.

I remember back almost a year ago talking to everyone on this forum when I was so skittish about adding blackmail to the game - I think this is probably when Paul's blackmail was first written and now there are so many blackmail themes in the story (written, not implemented yet) ^_^ but no, Paul's route is still Paul's Blackmail route - though this new idea has the opportunity for multiple routes for those that aren't into blackmail stuff but I'll mull that over another time

I'm a quiet dude with scarily thin skin for anyone publicizing anything on the internet so I hope that it's at least somewhat apparent that this decision wasn't an easy one for me x

 

[brokenone222]

I remember back almost a year ago talking to everyone on this forum when I was so skittish about adding blackmail to the game - I think this is probably when Paul's blackmail was first written and now there are so many blackmail themes in the story (written, not implemented yet) ^_^ but no, Paul's route is still Paul's Blackmail route - though this new idea has the opportunity for multiple routes for those that aren't into blackmail stuff but I'll mull that over another time

I'm a quiet dude with scarily thin skin for anyone publicizing anything on the internet so I hope that it's at least somewhat apparent that this decision wasn't an easy one for me x

This is what I was a little worried about, but hearing that it's still going to be blackmail, and multiple routes really kills off that worry for me, so now it's just back to excitement.

 

[PaleGrass]

This is what I was a little worried about, but hearing that it's still going to be blackmail, and multiple routes really kills off that worry for me, so now it's just back to excitement.

Yeah buddy sorry I wasn't clear at all in my first post, the multiple route thing could be interesting though I'd need to sit and have a good think about it. Maybe I'll even do a poll on SS / Pat after this release and see if it's something folks would be interested in ^_^

 

[TheLecher]

Two versions of the game is the way I'm leaning for now with Patreon being the only site where the content is tailored though I don't know whether they'll still come after me even without posting anything against their ToS on their site.

Being careful about what you post on Patreon should provide you with some degree of protection, though exactly how much isn't certain. Patreon has been known in the past to have people checking creators' Discord channels, and some creators have claimed that action was taken against them based on things which were posted on Discord or in other places which were not Patreon.

You should also be careful about the comments which your patrons make in response to your posts on Patreon. For example, if a patron makes some comment like "more rape scenes please," or "I love all of the blackmail in this game," you should delete that comment immediately.

Basically, as long as Patreon remains unaware of any such content in your game, you can get away with it. But even if none of your posts violate their policies, if they become aware of the game containing any content which they prohibit, they'll take action against you. They've even hassled some creators about incest patches which could only be found off-site, in places like Lewd Patcher or here on F95. This is why some creators have taken to disavowing responsibility for such patches, and claiming that they're "fan made mods".

The TLDR version of the above three paragraphs is simply this: Patreon is not the place for adult game developers. And their censorship is only going to get worse as time goes on. Anyone who wants to crowd fund development of an adult game should prioritize and push alternatives, such as SubscribeStar or whatever other free speech friendly options you can find.

The new idea for Paul's story is still largely based on blackmail albeit a completely different blackmail to the photos with Viv so it isn't blackmail per say, I just don't find Paul believable as a person. He's so sadistic and so completely void of any sense of empathy that I imagine probably only happens in really broken early lives or something. It just doesn't fit quite right to me personally. The playful teasing around the house all made sense because it was and still is the case that Paul has always had a crush on Lisa, I just think it went a little crazy and I'm trying to write my way into something less "evil" or at least a different kind of evil

Well, it may be too late for me to offer any useful input. It sounds like the die is already cast. But I'm going to take the liberty of putting some of my thoughts on Paul into a DM for you. If you find it compelling, or at least an interesting read, great. If not, I'll just wait and see what the new arc looks like for Paul.

I'm a quiet dude with scarily thin skin for anyone publicizing anything on the internet so I hope that it's at least somewhat apparent that this decision wasn't an easy one for me x

Yes, it's definitely clear that you didn't take this decision lightly. I'm sure that you sweated bullets over it. I'll still hope that it's not too late (in your view) to take feedback into account.

 

[PaleGrass]

Being careful about what you post on Patreon should provide you with some degree of protection, though exactly how much isn't certain. Patreon has been known in the past to have people checking creators' Discord channels, and some creators have claimed that action was taken against them based on things which were posted on Discord or in other places which were not Patreon.

You should also be careful about the comments which your patrons make in response to your posts on Patreon. For example, if a patron makes some comment like "more rape scenes please," or "I love all of the blackmail in this game," you should delete that comment immediately.

Basically, as long as Patreon remains unaware of any such content in your game, you can get away with it. But even if none of your posts violate their policies, if they become aware of the game containing any content which they prohibit, they'll take action against you. They've even hassled some creators about incest patches which could only be found off-site, in places like Lewd Patcher or here on F95. This is why some creators have taken to disavowing responsibility for such patches, and claiming that they're "fan made mods".

The TLDR version of the above three paragraphs is simply this: Patreon is not the place for adult game developers. And their censorship is only going to get worse as time goes on. Anyone who wants to crowd fund development of an adult game should prioritize and push alternatives, such as SubscribeStar or whatever other free speech friendly options you can find.

That's wild isn't it? I feared this was the case that they would immediately shut me down even if the content was never released on Patreon. I appreciate the note about deleting comments, I have been tempted to in the past at least once because a comment mentioned something to that degree but I don't think I ended up doing it but I might have a hunt through at some point.

Well, it may be too late for me to offer any useful input. It sounds like the die is already cast. But I'm going to take the liberty of putting some of my thoughts on Paul into a DM for you. If you find it compelling, or at least an interesting read, great. If not, I'll just wait and see what the new arc looks like for Paul.

Yes, it's definitely clear that you didn't take this decision lightly. I'm sure that you sweated bullets over it. I'll still hope that it's not too late (in your view) to take feedback into account.

By all means mate, I'll be online for a wee bit yet. I'm always open to suggestions x

 

[lemonfreak]

I mentioned it a little in the Patreon post and I'm gonna expand on it in the next too but Paul's storyline is the one arc of the game I really dislike. I find it hard to reason with Paul in any way which makes it difficult to write and hard to engage myself in.

I've decided to take it in another direction - the planned scenes throughout the Paul arc remain the same or similar but the way in which they're achieved is wholly different. The problem lies in the scenes to date so depending on the reception of the upcoming Paul content it's likely I'll have to scrap a lot of his early content and re-do it. (If I do remake the older scenes I will leave the current content in the recollection room)

I know this will potentially irk some of you guys but I gotta love what I'm doing. I need to be in love with it which I'm not at the moment and I'm pretty sure it shows in the quality of the content. I think it's easier to change things now rather than a year down the line.

Just know that I'm not doing it to upset or annoy anyone, the very idea that this might happen is wracking my nerves already because of how popular Paul's content seems to be. I am so grateful to everyone who plays the game, everyone who sends me wonderful messages or drops a comment in the thread.

I am confident that this new concept is a better storyline with a much more believable premise for the little rat

I've mentioned it in the thread before but my vision for Paul is to quickly find himself out of his depth as Lisa gets more corrupted by events and she ends up turning the tables and domming him

 

[PaleGrass]

I've mentioned it in the thread before but my vision for Paul is to quickly find himself out of his depth as Lisa gets more corrupted by events and she ends up turning the tables and domming him

It's so weird you saying that mate, honestly just a few hours ago the idea of Lisa dominating Paul popped into my head. I can't even remember the context really, almost like I woke up from a dream ^_^

 

[Can't_See_77]

I've mentioned it in the thread before but my vision for Paul is to quickly find himself out of his depth as Lisa gets more corrupted by events and she ends up turning the tables and domming him

That's no fun

 

[lemonfreak]

That's no fun

Sharon takes Lisa and Paul out to eat for one of their birthdays, as the insanely attractrive female server (who is Paul's classmate) is taking their order Lisa slowly slides her her down the back of paul's trousers and starts to gently rub his ring piece. As the server turns to take his order Lisa begins to press harder, prompting an involuntary moan from Paul as blood begins flowing away from his brain

The server leaves to hand the order to the kitchen; Lisa withdraws her hand, wets her index and middle fingers and quickly returns to fingering Paul's, by now, quivering arsehole. She gently inserts a finger then begins to make slow, circular motions to relax him then pushes past the second knuckle, finding the prostate and prompting further involuntary moans from Paul.

As their entrees are delivered Lisa adds a second finger causing Paul to pop an embarassing boner in front of the server. Paul cannot eat as he's too distracted; as the server asks if everything is okay with their food Lisa presses hard and causes a prostate orgasm.

Sharon has been checking out a couple at a neighbouring table (the couple Lisa and Danny met in the forest) and is completely oblivious to the actions of her 'tenants'

 

[tom4512]

Hello, I just want more lesbians and if she's more corrupt then I shouldn't be ashamed of other girls

 

[Can't_See_77]

Sharon takes Lisa and Paul out to eat for one of their birthdays, as the insanely attractrive female server (who is Paul's classmate) is taking their order Lisa slowly slides her her down the back of paul's trousers and starts to gently rub his ring piece. As the server turns to take his order Lisa begins to press harder, prompting an involuntary moan from Paul as blood begins flowing away from his brain

The server leaves to hand the order to the kitchen; Lisa withdraws her hand, wets her index and middle fingers and quickly returns to fingering Paul's, by now, quivering arsehole. She gently inserts a finger then begins to make slow, circular motions to relax him then pushes past the second knuckle, finding the prostate and prompting further involuntary moans from Paul.

As their entrees are delivered Lisa adds a second finger causing Paul to pop an embarassing boner in front of the server. Paul cannot eat as he's too distracted; as the server asks if everything is okay with their food Lisa presses hard and causes a prostate orgasm.

Sharon has been checking out a couple at a neighbouring table (the couple Lisa and Danny met in the forest) and is completely oblivious to the actions of her 'tenants'

Nah man I rather a route where Paul remains in control. Lisa in control isn’t for me.

 

[dikdik48]

It's so weird you saying that mate, honestly just a few hours ago the idea of Lisa dominating Paul popped into my head. I can't even remember the context really, almost like I woke up from a dream ^_^

the idea for "dominating" paul is great I think,
like the first we all know LISA concept from beginning is from innocenent girl to "wild" girl...

but maybe from people what you reply is, we can assume for more content corrupts or events. before paul event.
so since u the develop, after dominating paul, we can share and talk again about event/corrupt for LISA

Sorry english not my native language

 

[NewTricks]

That's wild isn't it? I feared this was the case that they would immediately shut me down even if the content was never released on Patreon. I appreciate the note about deleting comments, I have been tempted to in the past at least once because a comment mentioned something to that degree but I don't think I ended up doing it but I might have a hunt through at some point.



By all means mate, I'll be online for a wee bit yet. I'm always open to suggestions x

My suggestion is that any discussion of patches for prohibited content should not be discussed on the open forum but rather through the PM feature. I'm not gonna name any names, but there are quite a few modders out there that might be receptive to a pm from a dev or better yet a duly appointed representative of a dev who might have had the opportunity to drop some lines of code on the way to the supermarket.

 

[Geko1711]

This is the game of Lisa as the female protagonist where Paul is even a secondary character, if you set the game with Paul's dick the game is not believable. In my opinion it is Lisa who decides where she wants to go with the blackmail game with Paul, also because as blackmail itself it holds little water, think lesbian photos with Sharon's best friend who would fuck anything that moves? Lisa has already gone way beyond what could have been a tease.... I think Lisa in the future will be subjected to far worse things than lesbian photos is just a guess of course.

 

[bobby fisher]

Hey-hey, people. Is the MEGA link for the mac version correct? It's a RAR archive (no problems with that per se); however, the game doesn't start. OS version is 12.3.1.

 

[FMag]

I'm more for the Paul dominant route. That's hotter.

 

[lemonfreak]

I'm more for the Paul dominant route. That's hotter.

Totally disagree, there are plenty of dominant men in the game already, the idea that Paul starts something he can't finish is waaayyy hotter

Spoiler: Lisa "So you want to try anal do you?

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[brokenone222]

Totally disagree, there are plenty of dominant men in the game already, the idea that Paul starts something he can't finish is waaayyy hotter

Spoiler: Lisa "So you want to try anal do you?

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Not for me. Lisa being dominated and blackmailed by her twerp cousin is way hotter.