Geko1711

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An etymology of "pillory" from "gonghia"? You're definitely going to have to show me a source for that. And before you ask for sources which site the etymology of "pillory" to "pila", I'll list a few.
  • - Scroll down until you see "origin of pillory".
  • provides essentially the same etymology.
  • , which is an online dictionary focused specifically on providing etymologies, offers the same lineage for "pillory".
As for the statement that Latin was still spoken in the middle ages, I'm sure that you're already well aware of the fact that this was only true for the upper classes and scholars. The lower classes did not speak Latin, and this was one of the causative factors leading to the Protestant Reformation, shortly after the end of the medieval period.



Yes, this is the etymology of "pillory" which I know. I've never heard of any etymology through "gonghia". Like I said, I'll need to see sources.
Derived from Greek and Arabic, and not a fantasy, the pillory was in use even before the Middle Ages.
 

TheLecher

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Derived from Greek and Arabic, and not a fantasy, the pillory was in use even before the Middle Ages.
You're giving the etymology for "gogna", the Italian word for the device. We're talking about the etymology of "pillory", which is an English language word. Just because it's the same device, it doesn't follow that the Italian and English names for the device have the same etymology. Two different words, in two different languages, are going to have two different etymologies.

Here's the English language page for "pillory" - . You'll find the same etymology which I have already given.

As for pillories being in use even before the medieval period, I'll need a source for that, as well. The medieval period, or middle ages, is typically held to be the time from about AD 400 to about AD 1499. The earliest documented reference to a pillory, at least so far as I can discover, is in the Utrecht Psalter, a document which is arguably dated to either the 400s or the 800s. Older scholars tended to date the document to sometime in the 400s, while current scholars tend to favor a date in the 800s. I see that the Utrecht Psalter is mentioned on the Italian Wikipedia entry for gogna, so I'm guessing that you are already aware of this document. Since either of these dates would place the document within the medieval period, I'm not aware of any verifiable historical references to pillories being used before the medieval period began. Is it possible? Sure. Do we have any historical documentation of it? Not to my knowledge.
 

Klopdwerg

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Can't seem to trigger the Aiofe College scene.

I entered college and talker to ms Short allthough she only sais "Hi Lisa" to me.
And when i leave i don't see or meet Aiofe.

Can someone help me? Am i missing something?

btw is it possible that this scene is part of Episode 2 Chapter 2 v1.0 Alpha ?
Am playing the 0.5 final version.
 
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Geko1711

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You're giving the etymology for "gogna", the Italian word for the device. We're talking about the etymology of "pillory", which is an English language word. Just because it's the same device, it doesn't follow that the Italian and English names for the device have the same etymology. Two different words, in two different languages, are going to have two different etymologies.

Here's the English language page for "pillory" - . You'll find the same etymology which I have already given.

As for pillories being in use even before the medieval period, I'll need a source for that, as well. The medieval period, or middle ages, is typically held to be the time from about AD 400 to about AD 1499. The earliest documented reference to a pillory, at least so far as I can discover, is in the Utrecht Psalter, a document which is arguably dated to either the 400s or the 800s. Older scholars tended to date the document to sometime in the 400s, while current scholars tend to favor a date in the 800s. I see that the Utrecht Psalter is mentioned on the Italian Wikipedia entry for gogna, so I'm guessing that you are already aware of this document. Since either of these dates would place the document within the medieval period, I'm not aware of any verifiable historical references to pillories being used before the medieval period began. Is it possible? Sure. Do we have any historical documentation of it? Not to my knowledge.
Now I think it is becoming really OT to continue on this topic, I just say, giving me the right to reply and it is my deduction that if the entimology of the word in Italian derives from the Greek and Arabic for iron ring and the first gogne were made of that material was used in the late Middle Ages or even during the Roman Empire. The Italian language and the Latin languages derive from Greek and Latin and many current terms in Italian are the cognugation of two words, one Latin and one Greek, put together.
And with this I close the topic if you want to continue with a private message.
 

Runner17

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Can't seem to trigger the Aiofe College scene.

I entered college and talker to ms Short allthough she only sais "Hi Lisa" to me.
And when i leave i don't see or meet Aiofe.

Can someone help me? Am i missing something?

btw is it possible that this scene is part of Episode 2 Chapter 2 v1.0 Alpha ?
Am playing the 0.5 final version.
Did you meet Aiofe in the coffee house? This would be the second meeting with her in the West District. I believe your correct thinking you need Episode 2 Chapter 2. The college scene is really simple if the previous requirement is met.
 
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TheLecher

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Now I think it is becoming really OT to continue on this topic, I just say, giving me the right to reply and it is my deduction that if the entimology of the word in Italian derives from the Greek and Arabic for iron ring and the first gogne were made of that material was used in the late Middle Ages or even during the Roman Empire. The Italian language and the Latin languages derive from Greek and Latin and many current terms in Italian are the cognugation of two words, one Latin and one Greek, put together.
And with this I close the topic if you want to continue with a private message.
Or I can just reply here. The conversation continues, so long as we are both participating. It doesn't just end when one of us says so. If you want to end the conversation, you can just stop replying. That won't close the topic, necessarily, but it will end the conversation between you and I on this subject.

Latin does not derive from Greek. Greek is certainly the older language, and some Latin words were descended from certain Greek words, and the Latin alphabet was adapted from both the Etruscan and the Greek alphabets, but that's as far as it goes. In the same way, a lot of English words descended from Latin words, and the English language uses the Latin alphabet, but English is not derived from Latin. It is a separate language which was simply influenced by Latin. Latin and Greek are two different branches of the Proto-Indo-European family of languages. They both descend from the same earlier language, and they share the similarities mentioned, but they remain separate branches. But even if Latin were derived from Greek, and again, it is not, that wouldn't change the fact that the etymology for "pillory" traces back to the Latin "pila", which means "pillar," and not the etymology which you offered, which was for a different word.

And, even if we could agree on the etymology of the word "pillory", the original cause of this discussion was that I maintain that the pillory was a medieval torture device, and you were arguing that it was historically only used for public shaming.
 

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Or I can just reply here. The conversation continues, so long as we are both participating. It doesn't just end when one of us says so. If you want to end the conversation, you can just stop replying. That won't close the topic, necessarily, but it will end the conversation between you and I on this subject.

Latin does not derive from Greek. Greek is certainly the older language, and some Latin words were descended from certain Greek words, and the Latin alphabet was adapted from both the Etruscan and the Greek alphabets, but that's as far as it goes. In the same way, a lot of English words descended from Latin words, and the English language uses the Latin alphabet, but English is not derived from Latin. It is a separate language which was simply influenced by Latin. Latin and Greek are two different branches of the Proto-Indo-European family of languages. They both descend from the same earlier language, and they share the similarities mentioned, but they remain separate branches. But even if Latin were derived from Greek, and again, it is not, that wouldn't change the fact that the etymology for "pillory" traces back to the Latin "pila", which means "pillar," and not the etymology which you offered, which was for a different word.

And, even if we could agree on the etymology of the word "pillory", the original cause of this discussion was that I maintain that the pillory was a medieval torture device, and you were arguing that it was historically only used for public shaming.
Guys Come On stop it!!

I would really like to see/have Conversations between ideas rather than a debate on the historical accuracy of an equipment!

Come on more ideas can be generated for Lisa!

I will add a bit to my thing here!!

Who would really like to see Lisa like this and more porno shoots/stuffs in the future!?

Probably a idea for Palegrass for a future wallpaper stuff! 436874.jpg
 

TheLecher

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Guys Come On stop it!!

I would really like to see/have Conversations between ideas rather than a debate on the historical accuracy of an equipment!
Have whatever conversation you want to have. No one's stopping you. And I'll probably join in. But don't try to tell me what conversations I can and cannot have. Leave that to the mods.

Just skip over the posts you don't like.
 

NewTricks

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I find this conversation about the etymology of one of the many names given to a torture/restraint device endlessly fascinating. Not for the discussion itself, which is a bore, but to observe the implacable and truculent attitudes that keep the conversation going. It is like looking into a petri dish and watching cancer spread. I find myself wanting to scroll back several pages and see what kind of comment sent us into this spiral of insanity, but then again I worry that I too may be infected.
 

123Ins123

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Can't seem to trigger the Aiofe College scene.

I entered college and talker to ms Short allthough she only sais "Hi Lisa" to me.
And when i leave i don't see or meet Aiofe.

Can someone help me? Am i missing something?

btw is it possible that this scene is part of Episode 2 Chapter 2 v1.0 Alpha ?
Am playing the 0.5 final version.
This episode starting with Aiofe at the college is implemented only in the Lisa E2Ch2 1.0 version.
 
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lemonfreak

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Thanks, explains a lot.

Haven't played that version yet since its compressed. Don't you miss alot of quality then?
Virtually none, it's the same compression, switching to WebM, that most devs do to make the file sizes manageable after the 3rd or 4th update. Unless you're playing on a 70" OLED screen you won't notice anything and most likely haven't on dozens of games before.
 

TheLecher

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Thanks, explains a lot.

Haven't played that version yet since its compressed. Don't you miss alot of quality then?
Virtually none, it's the same compression, switching to WebM, that most devs do to make the file sizes manageable after the 3rd or 4th update. Unless you're playing on a 70" OLED screen you won't notice anything and most likely haven't on dozens of games before.
I can confirm this. I have a 24" full HD monitor, and I don't see any real difference in the image quality.
 

Klopdwerg

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Virtually none, it's the same compression, switching to WebM, that most devs do to make the file sizes manageable after the 3rd or 4th update. Unless you're playing on a 70" OLED screen you won't notice anything and most likely haven't on dozens of games before.
I can confirm this. I have a 24" full HD monitor, and I don't see any real difference in the image quality.
Thanks for the info. Going straight to the new version then ;)
 

Haha9999

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Fuck zodiac sign everyone share your favourite Lisa wallpaper and let's see which is best .
 

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I said this because I realized that, in many games, the narrative line has taken a meaningless turn that doesn't fit the essence of the main story. But it's my perception, I could be wrong, and again, I don't want to give a negative review to anyone specifically. It's just my opinion of how the game could flow more naturally. In my view, the author already has an idea of the game's story in his mind, and it's probably structured and organized. When he tries to include narrative arcs outside of what he envisioned, the story gets a little lost and meaningless.
Totally get where you're coming from mate and I imagine it's incredibly frustrating to watch a game you enjoy be picked apart slowly by such things but I'm not steering off the course, I promise.

I genuinely think the game as it stands now would be significantly worse if I didn't have the input from so many people and I'm so grateful to have a resource like F95 where I can peruse through thousands of messages and find inspiration from a multitude of different points of view. It's like this huge brainstorm that I can access at any time. I keep several text documents that I jot down ideas that strike me as I read them, typically these are shaped to fit into the game in a way I feel fits just right :)

I do genuinely understand your concern but all I can say is that I am devoted to this game and more specifically the story and the characters in it. It began as another typical high school female protag game but over the past 18 months it's evolved into my passion and I am both proud and excited to take everyone on the ride x)


Love the update! If palegrass is open to some input, I'd like to see the MC embrace deviance a little more. Like the old guy who was groping in the locked park... she should have let him (or give the player the choice). Maybe she could even tell Danny about it? It's an adult game after all! I like the direction a lot of these little scenes start but they seem to end with her being a bit of a prude. The Moddy's scene was awesome though! Can't wait to see the other option.


Just my opinion! Loving the game, keep it up.
I know man I honestly felt a little bad because of two totally different scenes doing the same push and pull with the player this update (Tutoring Jade & Following Ms Short) ^_^ I just think it's important to reinforce the idea that Lisa isn't a sex crazed slut despite the increasing sexual proclivity. We are still not even close to the half way mark in this game yet :)


Maybe the old guy from the park will appear again later? I certainly wouldn't be opposed to it. And, since the game has a deviancy score for Lisa, I'm pretty sure that you can count on her becoming increasingly sluttish as things continue to progress, not that we haven't seen plenty of slutty behavior from her already.
Lisa's neighbour? He has plenty of screen time in the coming episodes ^_^


I partly agree with the potential that the pillory could have for scenes that are more sadistic than dramatic, but I would like to point out that the pillory as a medieval tool punished the condemned person from the upper part of the body, that is: neck, head and face and the hands, which received from insults to rotten eggs and vegetables, to spitting and throwing excrement.
In my old hometown we actually had a Pillory right in the main street. A legit Pillory! It's a very popular tourist spot for photos and stuff, it has a little plaque beside it describing what you're saying and a huge mural on the wall of people throwing tomatoes and some poor guy xD
 
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