PaleGrass

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This is what I was a little worried about, but hearing that it's still going to be blackmail, and multiple routes really kills off that worry for me, so now it's just back to excitement.
Yeah buddy sorry I wasn't clear at all in my first post, the multiple route thing could be interesting though :) I'd need to sit and have a good think about it. Maybe I'll even do a poll on SS / Pat after this release and see if it's something folks would be interested in ^_^
 

TheLecher

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Two versions of the game is the way I'm leaning for now with Patreon being the only site where the content is tailored though I don't know whether they'll still come after me even without posting anything against their ToS on their site.
Being careful about what you post on Patreon should provide you with some degree of protection, though exactly how much isn't certain. Patreon has been known in the past to have people checking creators' Discord channels, and some creators have claimed that action was taken against them based on things which were posted on Discord or in other places which were not Patreon.

You should also be careful about the comments which your patrons make in response to your posts on Patreon. For example, if a patron makes some comment like "more rape scenes please," or "I love all of the blackmail in this game," you should delete that comment immediately.

Basically, as long as Patreon remains unaware of any such content in your game, you can get away with it. But even if none of your posts violate their policies, if they become aware of the game containing any content which they prohibit, they'll take action against you. They've even hassled some creators about incest patches which could only be found off-site, in places like Lewd Patcher or here on F95. This is why some creators have taken to disavowing responsibility for such patches, and claiming that they're "fan made mods".

The TLDR version of the above three paragraphs is simply this: Patreon is not the place for adult game developers. And their censorship is only going to get worse as time goes on. Anyone who wants to crowd fund development of an adult game should prioritize and push alternatives, such as SubscribeStar or whatever other free speech friendly options you can find.

The new idea for Paul's story is still largely based on blackmail albeit a completely different blackmail to the photos with Viv so it isn't blackmail per say, I just don't find Paul believable as a person. He's so sadistic and so completely void of any sense of empathy that I imagine probably only happens in really broken early lives or something. It just doesn't fit quite right to me personally. The playful teasing around the house all made sense because it was and still is the case that Paul has always had a crush on Lisa, I just think it went a little crazy and I'm trying to write my way into something less "evil" or at least a different kind of evil :)
Well, it may be too late for me to offer any useful input. It sounds like the die is already cast. But I'm going to take the liberty of putting some of my thoughts on Paul into a DM for you. If you find it compelling, or at least an interesting read, great. If not, I'll just wait and see what the new arc looks like for Paul.

I'm a quiet dude with scarily thin skin for anyone publicizing anything on the internet so I hope that it's at least somewhat apparent that this decision wasn't an easy one for me x
Yes, it's definitely clear that you didn't take this decision lightly. I'm sure that you sweated bullets over it. I'll still hope that it's not too late (in your view) to take feedback into account.
 
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PaleGrass

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Being careful about what you post on Patreon should provide you with some degree of protection, though exactly how much isn't certain. Patreon has been known in the past to have people checking creators' Discord channels, and some creators have claimed that action was taken against them based on things which were posted on Discord or in other places which were not Patreon.

You should also be careful about the comments which your patrons make in response to your posts on Patreon. For example, if a patron makes some comment like "more rape scenes please," or "I love all of the blackmail in this game," you should delete that comment immediately.

Basically, as long as Patreon remains unaware of any such content in your game, you can get away with it. But even if none of your posts violate their policies, if they become aware of the game containing any content which they prohibit, they'll take action against you. They've even hassled some creators about incest patches which could only be found off-site, in places like Lewd Patcher or here on F95. This is why some creators have taken to disavowing responsibility for such patches, and claiming that they're "fan made mods".

The TLDR version of the above three paragraphs is simply this: Patreon is not the place for adult game developers. And their censorship is only going to get worse as time goes on. Anyone who wants to crowd fund development of an adult game should prioritize and push alternatives, such as SubscribeStar or whatever other free speech friendly options you can find.
That's wild isn't it? I feared this was the case that they would immediately shut me down even if the content was never released on Patreon. I appreciate the note about deleting comments, I have been tempted to in the past at least once because a comment mentioned something to that degree but I don't think I ended up doing it but I might have a hunt through at some point.

Well, it may be too late for me to offer any useful input. It sounds like the die is already cast. But I'm going to take the liberty of putting some of my thoughts on Paul into a DM for you. If you find it compelling, or at least an interesting read, great. If not, I'll just wait and see what the new arc looks like for Paul.

Yes, it's definitely clear that you didn't take this decision lightly. I'm sure that you sweated bullets over it. I'll still hope that it's not too late (in your view) to take feedback into account.
By all means mate, I'll be online for a wee bit yet. I'm always open to suggestions x
 
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lemonfreak

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I mentioned it a little in the Patreon post and I'm gonna expand on it in the next too but Paul's storyline is the one arc of the game I really dislike. I find it hard to reason with Paul in any way which makes it difficult to write and hard to engage myself in.

I've decided to take it in another direction - the planned scenes throughout the Paul arc remain the same or similar but the way in which they're achieved is wholly different. The problem lies in the scenes to date so depending on the reception of the upcoming Paul content it's likely I'll have to scrap a lot of his early content and re-do it. (If I do remake the older scenes I will leave the current content in the recollection room)

I know this will potentially irk some of you guys but I gotta love what I'm doing. I need to be in love with it which I'm not at the moment and I'm pretty sure it shows in the quality of the content. I think it's easier to change things now rather than a year down the line.

Just know that I'm not doing it to upset or annoy anyone, the very idea that this might happen is wracking my nerves already because of how popular Paul's content seems to be. I am so grateful to everyone who plays the game, everyone who sends me wonderful messages or drops a comment in the thread.

I am confident that this new concept is a better storyline with a much more believable premise for the little rat :)
I've mentioned it in the thread before but my vision for Paul is to quickly find himself out of his depth as Lisa gets more corrupted by events and she ends up turning the tables and domming him
 

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I've mentioned it in the thread before but my vision for Paul is to quickly find himself out of his depth as Lisa gets more corrupted by events and she ends up turning the tables and domming him
It's so weird you saying that mate, honestly just a few hours ago the idea of Lisa dominating Paul popped into my head. I can't even remember the context really, almost like I woke up from a dream ^_^
 

lemonfreak

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That's no fun :(
Sharon takes Lisa and Paul out to eat for one of their birthdays, as the insanely attractrive female server (who is Paul's classmate) is taking their order Lisa slowly slides her her down the back of paul's trousers and starts to gently rub his ring piece. As the server turns to take his order Lisa begins to press harder, prompting an involuntary moan from Paul as blood begins flowing away from his brain ;)

The server leaves to hand the order to the kitchen; Lisa withdraws her hand, wets her index and middle fingers and quickly returns to fingering Paul's, by now, quivering arsehole. She gently inserts a finger then begins to make slow, circular motions to relax him then pushes past the second knuckle, finding the prostate and prompting further involuntary moans from Paul.

As their entrees are delivered Lisa adds a second finger causing Paul to pop an embarassing boner in front of the server. Paul cannot eat as he's too distracted; as the server asks if everything is okay with their food Lisa presses hard and causes a prostate orgasm.

Sharon has been checking out a couple at a neighbouring table (the couple Lisa and Danny met in the forest) and is completely oblivious to the actions of her 'tenants'
 

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Sharon takes Lisa and Paul out to eat for one of their birthdays, as the insanely attractrive female server (who is Paul's classmate) is taking their order Lisa slowly slides her her down the back of paul's trousers and starts to gently rub his ring piece. As the server turns to take his order Lisa begins to press harder, prompting an involuntary moan from Paul as blood begins flowing away from his brain ;)

The server leaves to hand the order to the kitchen; Lisa withdraws her hand, wets her index and middle fingers and quickly returns to fingering Paul's, by now, quivering arsehole. She gently inserts a finger then begins to make slow, circular motions to relax him then pushes past the second knuckle, finding the prostate and prompting further involuntary moans from Paul.

As their entrees are delivered Lisa adds a second finger causing Paul to pop an embarassing boner in front of the server. Paul cannot eat as he's too distracted; as the server asks if everything is okay with their food Lisa presses hard and causes a prostate orgasm.

Sharon has been checking out a couple at a neighbouring table (the couple Lisa and Danny met in the forest) and is completely oblivious to the actions of her 'tenants'
Nah man I rather a route where Paul remains in control. Lisa in control isn’t for me.
 

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It's so weird you saying that mate, honestly just a few hours ago the idea of Lisa dominating Paul popped into my head. I can't even remember the context really, almost like I woke up from a dream ^_^
the idea for "dominating" paul is great I think,
like the first we all know LISA concept from beginning is from innocenent girl to "wild" girl...

but maybe from people what you reply is, we can assume for more content corrupts or events. before paul event.
so since u the develop, after dominating paul, we can share and talk again about event/corrupt for LISA

Sorry english not my native language
 
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NewTricks

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That's wild isn't it? I feared this was the case that they would immediately shut me down even if the content was never released on Patreon. I appreciate the note about deleting comments, I have been tempted to in the past at least once because a comment mentioned something to that degree but I don't think I ended up doing it but I might have a hunt through at some point.



By all means mate, I'll be online for a wee bit yet. I'm always open to suggestions x
My suggestion is that any discussion of patches for prohibited content should not be discussed on the open forum but rather through the PM feature. I'm not gonna name any names, but there are quite a few modders out there that might be receptive to a pm from a dev or better yet a duly appointed representative of a dev who might have had the opportunity to drop some lines of code on the way to the supermarket.
 
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This is the game of Lisa as the female protagonist where Paul is even a secondary character, if you set the game with Paul's dick the game is not believable. In my opinion it is Lisa who decides where she wants to go with the blackmail game with Paul, also because as blackmail itself it holds little water, think lesbian photos with Sharon's best friend who would fuck anything that moves? Lisa has already gone way beyond what could have been a tease.... I think Lisa in the future will be subjected to far worse things than lesbian photos is just a guess of course.
 

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Hey-hey, people. Is the MEGA link for the mac version correct? It's a RAR archive (no problems with that per se); however, the game doesn't start. OS version is 12.3.1.
 

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Totally disagree, there are plenty of dominant men in the game already, the idea that Paul starts something he can't finish is waaayyy hotter

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Not for me. Lisa being dominated and blackmailed by her twerp cousin is way hotter.
 

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Totally disagree, there are plenty of dominant men in the game already, the idea that Paul starts something he can't finish is waaayyy hotter
Totally disagree. It appears that we have different tastes.

This is the game of Lisa as the female protagonist where Paul is even a secondary character, if you set the game with Paul's dick the game is not believable.
Lisa being the protagonist means that the story is told from her perspective. In most cases, being the protagonist also means that the character is central to the resolution of the plot, which we may safely assume will be the case in this game. But in no way does it mean that the protagonist is calling the shots or directing the action of the story. We already know that Lisa is not going to be in control for a lot of the game.

And no one suggested "setting the game" with Paul's dick. Paul is just a side character. He doesn't play a part in most of the game, so even if he's in charge of his interactions with Lisa, he still isn't "setting the game." And Paul's content is all optional, so that makes it even less of a problem for him to be calling the shots with Lisa.

In my opinion it is Lisa who decides where she wants to go with the blackmail game with Paul...
That isn't how blackmail works.

... also because as blackmail itself it holds little water, think lesbian photos with Sharon's best friend who would fuck anything that moves? Lisa has already gone way beyond what could have been a tease.... I think Lisa in the future will be subjected to far worse things than lesbian photos is just a guess of course.
There's a lot more on the line than just Lisa appearing in lesbian photos. She and Viv would probably both hate for Luca to see those photos. Lisa not only has to protect herself, but also protect Viv. But it would a simple matter to write in additional blackmail material for Paul to use.
 

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Lisa being the protagonist means that the story is told from her perspective. In most cases, being the protagonist also means that the character is central to the resolution of the plot, which we may safely assume will be the case in this game. But in no way does it mean that the protagonist is calling the shots or directing the action of the story. We already know that Lisa is not going to be in control for a lot of the game.

And no one suggested "setting the game" with Paul's dick. Paul is just a side character. He doesn't play a part in most of the game, so even if he's in charge of his interactions with Lisa, he still isn't "setting the game." And Paul's content is all optional, so that makes it even less of a problem for him to be calling the shots with Lisa.
I was referring to the player who should think like Lisa's character versus a secondary character.
There's a lot more on the line than just Lisa appearing in lesbian photos. She and Viv would probably both hate for Luca to see those photos. Lisa not only has to protect herself, but also protect Viv. But it would a simple matter to write in additional blackmail material for Paul to use.
This blackmail for me holds water but it's not so much that which matters but it's the character being addressed that is hardly credible who certainly isn't a character of high morality who certainly has done worse than a lesbian scene with her friend but maybe she herself with her friend and was also starting with Lisa. So in the end Paul blackmails Lisa with what? And most importantly who shouldn't know about those pictures Sharon the slut? So far Lisa and Paul have talked about her as the one they would be addressed to. Luca it's just your plausible hypothesis of course but it remains so at the moment.
 
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Totally disagree, there are plenty of dominant men in the game already, the idea that Paul starts something he can't finish is waaayyy hotter

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IDK man. Creator saying this one of the more popular routes. Feels like if u switch gears too hard by having Paul getting pegged would be a way for it not to be one of the more popular routes anymore. I know I'm liking how it's going right now.
 

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I think mine got glitched somewhere along the way.
Exhibitionist says no more content.
3 Credit list all say End of content
Bathhouse say visit the bathhouse in Renshire still (been there about 30 times clicking on everything,even had the sauna scene) Walkthrough says to go into the private bath west of the 3 circles and a girl will be there (I assume they meant east) and can't go into the sauna again or go into the shared bath

Went to Albiss and clicked on the board, chose the bottom option (can't remember what it said) but no quest showed up in log and can't click on it till whatever quest isn't showing is finished.

Can't do Gina's quest because I can't do Marcus's or Rubbin's quests without completing the quest that doesn't exist above.
Byron End of content
Aoife just says continue story, but I can't get into West District.
Can't go into bar in town center or to Theos anymore
The teacher in the classroom asked me about doing photoshoots, I accepted, no quest, no clue when where or how
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Anyone tell me what I'm missing, or is it just glitched?

Edit: I see where the glitch is now. The last option was for Club Neon, which you can't get to in this version since you need exhibitionist level 3. So I have to start all over again :cry:
 
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