WeNeedAHero
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how do you feel about people sharing the paywalled updates here? kinda weird to see the dev of the game be so active in their own f95 thread
is it allowed?
We have a rule on the server, we're fine if you have to pirate our game cause you're broke or something, just don't advertise it
But now that itch is down, we have to get creative
WeNeedAHero
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so you're fine with people leaking the new paywalled updates before they're released for free? w dev
Asura066
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I heard that the game lobbiest are going after payment system to remove nsfw games from itch and steam.
Knight
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True but there is more too it than that. There is a lot of behind the scenes stuff but it likely boils down to 3 reasons.
The first reason is because they don't want porn on the same platforms that distribute games to those under 18, it might cause parents to restrict access or inspect what there kids buy more closely which will hurt heavily monitized games. Also, some countries are introducing tighter restriction on sexual content in general (England for example) that could restrict the platforms sales as a whole.
Second, there's alot of industry capture by political activists with feminist and DEI agendas, it's why you see massive outrage over games with pretty girls (Stellar Blade, DOA, Senran Kagura) and no sex scenes and praise for games that offer homosexual and bestiality sexual content despite it being glaring hypocritical. Given that a large portion of porn content doesn't follow the sensibilities of those who control the western games industry they want that shutdown. That doesn't apply as much to this game but it's colletaral damage of the agenda push.
I'm willing to bet money that there will be unprincipled carve outs for sexual content for big industry players or anyone under blackrock or vanguard capitol control.
Third, from what I have seen from dev blogs and the yellow games press major companies blame indies for a lot of their failures as they see smaller studios or just single digit teams as competition. When tiny studios make a better game than multi-million dollar giants for a fraction of the price it's an embarrassment. Large studios have wanted more control over distribution platforms for years, using porn is likely just their way of getting a foot in the door then use selective enforcement of content moderation guidelines to crush competitors; we saw the same thing happen to Youtube already.
It's the same stratagy as in politics, "but think of the children!" has been used to ram though shit policy and take over institutions for personal gain since antiquity.
How the hell do you find a way to blame DEI for credit card companies targeting itch.
Like, Collective Shout was nominally feminist, but a ton of Queer games were just nuked by this, that's like, the opposite of the supposed agenda
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Knight
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Wasn't blaming anything or anyone, just making a general observation about trends in the industry... you kinda skipped over like 95% of my post, there was a lot more to it than that. I don't know why you selectively zero'd in on 1 tiny bit of that and then ignored the rest of the context.
Also, these things aren't disconnected. Credit card processors don't exist in a vacuum, many of the people/organizations who have controlling stakes in the financial sector have their fingers in media and other industries and are also considering laws around the world when it comes to setting policy on a global level; and that's on top the personal agendas of people in leadership positions in those industries.
Just as an example, Steam refunds started due to a lawsuit in Australia where Steams sales policy violated consumer protection laws in the country, as a result Steam instituted a refund system on a global scale. Thats why I specifically pointed to the UK's new censorship laws on porn as a possible reason there was reaching changes across multiple platforms.
I directly addressed that in my post, right at the end of the very paragraph that you took issue with:
"That doesn't apply as much to this game but it's collateral damage of the agenda push."
Big players are perfectly happy to crush a few little guys even if they are on their own side if gets them leverage over an entire platform.
I'm happy to discuss this with you but not if don't actually read what I wrote.
Chaos sorcerer Razael
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From my understanding collective shout has done more to piss off and harm women than they've ever done to help them due to their incessant whining about asinine things like how GTA 5 or DETROIT: Become Human need to be banned
I only addressed the part i took issue with
The rest made sense and was pretty good analysis
Knight
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Fair.
My point with the DEI and feminist stuff was that there is a mix of hidden financial motives combined with personal politics when if comes to how decisions are made. Sometimes one is used to hide the other.
Internally, a lot of people at the heads of these industries have pro DEI and LGBT politics that they want to push and platforms that allow push-back or alternative content are inconvenient.
It doesn't matter to them that there is content that aligns with their views on a platform if it also contains content that doesn't align and they don't have the power to censor it.
They will burn anyone in their way to get that control, including their own side.
That's why the second reason I gave talked about how this may be fueled by internal ideology. The western games industry can't directly take out their competition that panders to demographics they don't want pandered to or promotes content that they personally disdain, so they are using access to platforms and banking as a proxy to push ideological censorship.
This is a natural progression of what was already happening where localization teams and publishers were putting up roadblocks to game devs who did things they didn't like to try to deny them access to Western markets.
Itch is just a easy target and moral panic over porn is an easy excuse; Steam is the big prize. Once control is established things will be normalized as content that needed to banned is suddenly allowed again but only when select politically aligned entities do it.
They aren't targeting you specifically, or even at all, you are just in the line of fire at the moment.
Again, that's just one theory, there is likely more than one factor at play.
LDD should be back up tomorrow with some cleaning for the itch version
I hope no one leaks the substar patch *wink*
I hope no one leaks the substar patch *wink*
Knight
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tl;dr: Some of this might be because companies want to push censorship of stuff they don't like via proxy and you got caught in the crossfire even though you aren't necessarily opposed to them.
No offense, but this feels like tin foil hat evangelizing for something that can be summed up as corporate greed with a rainbow scapegoat, like DEI is the coat of paint they use to hide their desire for more money
So Aesthetics, the opposite of ideology
Like you said, it has more to do with the parents wanting the internet to raise their kids