VN Ren'Py Lost Solace [Ch.1 v0.1.1] [SakuraKage]

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There is one solution, but many people may not be a fan of. There are two throuple paths(one with lesbian action, one without). If we just force those paths as all or nothing, that would limit branching. 4 girls, with probably 6 branches cause of solos for each girl plus throuple variations, become just 2 branches.
Those two throuples only have 4 planned branches at this point in time.
Ash and Hanna wont have individual branches. You wont be able to break them up.
For the other one I planned three branches, but I might scale it back to two. We'll see.
The second throuple will reveal itself this update.
 

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Those two throuples only have 4 planned branches at this point in time.
Ash and Hanna wont have individual branches. You wont be able to break them up.
For the other one I planned three branches, but I might scale it back to two. We'll see.
The second throuple will reveal itself this update.
Not gonna lie. I'm a bit bumped by this. Your game had a amazing start and i'm not trying to be an ass but ...

You cut things you planned for some of the interesting girls because they are not popular...
Then you upgrade the stripper because she is somehow super popular ... Weren't you saying she would not be a LI? I don't even get it, why is she even popular...there is nothing there honestly. Cut her and keep content for a better one like Dora at least, or something...
And now 4 girls are forced trouple or nothing... that's just bad. Hopefully we don't just like one of them otherwise, fuck us i guess?

Thankfully they will still be others girls, like Mio and stuff, and i can tell the game gonna be really good overall. But those decisions are frankly frustrating... especially the "forced" stuff or that maybe our favorite girl gonna have less content than the other girls just "because". I don't even really mind that you upgraded a girl that i don't really have an interest in, the problem imo is that you scale back better ones for it.

Probably an unpopular opinion (especially since i'm bashing the raven) but oh well, it is what it is.

hoping the best for the game.
 

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why is she even popular
Big tits. That's the only reason.

And now 4 girls are forced trouple or nothing... that's just bad. Hopefully we don't just like one of them otherwise, fuck us i guess?
I'm trying to keep an open mind, but I'm curious to see how it goes. In general, I don't like the MC joining as the third partner, but there have been exceptions. Personally, I'd rather see the amount of LI cut in half than constantly having to deal with two LIs at once. Though, as I understand it, nothing's been written in stone just yet.
As it isn't a harem game, we'll be able and encouraged to avoid the situations we don't like in favor of other LIs, and that's a good thing.
especially the "forced" stuff
What do you mean with forced stuff? The throuple or nothing situation, or something else? I think so far the game has been exceptional at providing player choice.
 
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Big tits. That's the only reason.
I'm a big fan of that too ahah. But that doesn't make a character honestly.

As it isn't a harem game, we'll be able and encouraged to avoid the situations we don't like in favor of other LIs
yes, that's why i talked about the fact there is still other girls so it's still gonna be a great game and all. But if you end up favoring one of the 4 trouples, i don't know, let's say for example the green haired one ( i feel like she is gonna be popular maybe) it mean you are gonna be kinda "forced" to deal with the other one and date her too or it's dead... it's just gonna feel super bad imo.
 
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Not gonna lie. I'm a bit bumped by this. Your game had a amazing start and i'm not trying to be an ass but ...

You cut things you planned for some of the interesting girls because they are not popular...
Then you upgrade the stripper because she is somehow super popular ... Weren't you saying she would not be a LI? I don't even get it, why is she even popular...there is nothing there honestly. Cut her and keep content for a better one like Dora at least, or something...
And now 4 girls are forced trouple or nothing... that's just bad. Hopefully we don't just like one of them otherwise, fuck us i guess?

Thankfully they will still be others girls, like Mio and stuff, and i can tell the game gonna be really good overall. But those decisions are frankly frustrating... especially the "forced" stuff or that maybe our favorite girl gonna have less content than the other girls just "because". I don't even really mind that you upgraded a girl that i don't really have an interest in, the problem imo is that you scale back better ones for it.

Probably an unpopular opinion (especially since i'm bashing the raven) but oh well, it is what it is.

hoping the best for the game.
Nothing is cut yet, only consideration right now of toning things down. Only one throuple is fully forced all or nothing, you take both or get nothing. The other throuple will have solo options. So there is still a lot of choice and flexibility and leans solo only really.

As for Raven and her promotion, not sure why you hate her, but I am happy, in fact I am estastic, she is one of my favorites if not my overall favorite. It's not just because she has big "assets" or anything. Just from the little we have seen from her, I just know she will be great.
I can't wait to go on dates with her, spend time together, and most importantly give her cuddles. I just love her so much.

But yeah, nothing is cut or changed yet, so its best to just wait and see for now.
 

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As for Raven and her promotion, not sure why you hate her,
I didn't say i hate her. I said i wasn't interested and i don't get why she is that popular. She is just meh to me idk.

That the thing tho. Why promote and therefore make more content than planned for a girl while a lot of the other girls are scaled back because there is too much. I doesn't make sens to me. Dev time gain on those cuts is put back into raven therefore it just feel useless, nothing is gain. I also think that efforts from the devs shouldn't be focus on popularity contest otherwise why even have those "unpopular" girls in the first place, just gonna feel bad for those who like them.

And i'm not saying that because i have specific girl in mind (and she is getting shafted) or anything, it's just a general opinion about things. There is multiples in there that i'm looking forward to explore. I don't know which one gonna end up my fav yet but i know it's gonna suck ass if she is one with reduced content or lock into trouples only :(
 

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Not gonna lie. I'm a bit bumped by this. Your game had a amazing start and i'm not trying to be an ass but ...

You cut things you planned for some of the interesting girls because they are not popular...
Then you upgrade the stripper because she is somehow super popular ... Weren't you saying she would not be a LI? I don't even get it, why is she even popular...there is nothing there honestly. Cut her and keep content for a better one like Dora at least, or something...
And now 4 girls are forced trouple or nothing... that's just bad. Hopefully we don't just like one of them otherwise, fuck us i guess?

Thankfully they will still be others girls, like Mio and stuff, and i can tell the game gonna be really good overall. But those decisions are frankly frustrating... especially the "forced" stuff or that maybe our favorite girl gonna have less content than the other girls just "because". I don't even really mind that you upgraded a girl that i don't really have an interest in, the problem imo is that you scale back better ones for it.
You assume everyone shares your opinion on girls. If you like a girl, then others should like her too, and vice versa. That’s not how it works.

"She’s somehow super popular" - yeah, I get it, you’re not into strippers as LIs, you’re "above" that type of character, that's fine. But that doesn’t mean everyone else feels the same. The popularity numbers speak for themselves. Well, I like Raven and I'm happy she's a LI now, sue me.

"Cut her and keep content for a better one like Dora" - so basically cut the girl you don’t like, you are complaining that some girls might get cut and at the same time you asking Dev to do the same lol. And "better like Dora”? Better for whom? For you? Actually I’m not surprised she’s less popular. Have you read the discussions here? People don’t really trust her, she might have been involved in human trafficking, or maybe not, but that doubt is enough to turn players off.
As for the green-haired girl you mentioned, she has always been part of a package deal with her girlfriend. That’s been the setup from the very beginning.

And finally, nothing has been cut yet. Every girl will be properly introduced, and only then will people be able to form their opinions and SakuraKage can adjust things accordingly.
 
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"She’s somehow super popular" - yeah, I get it, you’re not into strippers as LIs, you think you’re "above" that type of character. But that doesn’t mean everyone else feels the same. The popularity numbers speak for themselves. I like Raven and I'm happy she's a LI now.
For someone who's telling someone else not to judge, you're coming off as very judgmental yourself.
There's nothing wrong with asking why a character is popular if you can't imagine it. An actual answer would help him imagine what others find attractive, and maybe even sympathize. Saying he thinks he's too above that kind of character... Nah.

Meabe37 never even mentioned her being a stripper in a negative context. I'm reading someone who's curious and confused, but you're seeing it as an attack. Weird.
 
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For someone who's telling someone else not to judge, you're coming off as very judgmental yourself.
There's nothing wrong with asking why a character is popular if you can't imagine it. An actual answer would help him imagine what others find attractive, and maybe even sympathize. Saying he thinks he's too above that kind of character... Nah.

Meabe37 never even mentioned her being a stripper in a negative context. I'm reading someone who's curious and confused, but you're seeing it as an attack. Weird.
When people were asking about Raven after the 1st update, whether she is a LI or not, people were upset she wasn't, but I don’t remember a single person asking Dev to cut other girls’ screen time to make room for Raven. Not one. Meanwhile dude literally said - "delete Raven for another girl". But sure, why would anyone see that as an attack (/s).

As for "stripper" topic, just skim through the thread when you have time and you’ll find all the answers you’re looking for, including the reason for my reaction.
 
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"She’s somehow super popular" - yeah, I get it, you’re not into strippers as LIs, you think you’re "above" that type of character.
Yeah no. That's not me, that's not what i'm saying. I'm don't mind any kind of girls and i'm big into sharing even. Cleary i don't give a crap that she is a stripper, even if she was a prostitute, that's whatever to me. ( And i don't mind trouples at all if it's not mandatory for a girl path.)

Cut her and keep content for a better one like Dora" - so basically cut the girl you don’t like,
No by that i meant: stay as originally planned. Clearly Raven was supposed to be a side girl and Dora was to be a more central character/girl. And there is no doubt in my mind that she is 10 times more interesting than Raven. Yes i understand why she is "unpopular", she is here under false pretenses and deceiving MC. But that what make her interesting in term of story, relationship and drama. She is not my "best girl", i didn't use her example because i'm butt hurt she go scaled back. I'm just genuinely think she is one of the most interesting character here. Raven i only see a big sign "save me" that's just there to pull the savior complex string from peoples.

As for the green-haired girl you mentioned, she has always been part of a package deal with her girlfriend. That’s been the setup from the very beginning.
No? We just met them at the end, there are nothing set up expect that they are a couple. We know nothing about them really (not even their names) and they are tones of things that can happen or reasons, that could make them separate. Anyway maybe i'm wrong, it has been a couples of months since i played it, gonna need to replay for the next update, in which case sorry. I was just giving my opinion even through it's not gonna change anything^^

But if it's really a problem, next time i can't just do like everyone else on f95 and just complain about the dev time being to long :LOL:
 
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Meanwhile dude literally said - "delete Raven for another girl"
The dev said that based on popularity he changed his original plan and promoted Raven while demoting others. That's just factual, and Meabe37 expressed an opinion against it.

But sure, why would anyone see that as an attack (/s).
Exactly, why do you see that as an attack? You favor Raven and got what you wanted, do others have to see that as you attacking every other LI who's less popular? Or can people just have an opinion without it being a personal insult?

As for "stripper" topic, just skim through the thread when you have time and you’ll find all the answers you’re looking for, including the reason for my reaction.
So you're being judgmental to a person who never made such a remark because others have? That's some airtight reasoning! /s
 
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No? We just met them at the end, there are nothing set up expect that they are a couple. We know nothing about them really and they are tones of things that can happen or reasons, that could make them separate. Anyway maybe i'm wrong, it has been a couples of months since i played it, gonna need to replay for the next update, in which case sorry. I was just giving my opinion even through it's not gonna change anything^^

But if it's really a problem, next time i can't just do like everyone else on f95 and just complain about the dev time being to long :LOL:
Well, developer did mention it, I think. The thing is, Chloe and Max or Ash and Hanna, being a package deal has nothing to do with the dev cutting or not cutting certain routes. I remember this because I discussed it with other players in a different thread after the 1st update came out.

Anyway, I took a deep breath and I’m calm now :ROFLMAO:. If my post came off as aggressive, and it surely did - then that’s on me. My negative reaction was basically to that line of yours: "Cut her and keep content for a better one like Dora at least, or something." Now that you’ve elaborated on it...

Have a good evening (y)
 

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The dev said that based on popularity he changed his original plan and promoted Raven while demoting others. That's just factual, and Meabe37 expressed an opinion against it.


Exactly, why do you see that as an attack? You favor Raven and got what you wanted, do others have to see that as you attacking every other LI who's less popular? Or can people just have an opinion without it being a personal insult?


So you're being judgmental to a person who never made such a remark because others have? That's some airtight reasoning! /s
Yeah, my favour got promoted, yep, just as I wanted, but I never asked to do this, especially at expense of other LIs. So, there is the difference, I already said that.

You see me being judgmental, and I see this being judgmental:
"Then you upgrade the stripper because she is somehow super popular ... Weren't you saying she would not be a LI? I don't even get it, why is she even popular...there is nothing there honestly. Cut her and keep content for a better one like Dora at least, or something...:

Both can play this game. What exactly are you trying to prove?
 
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The dev said that based on popularity he changed his original plan and promoted Raven while demoting others. That's just factual, and Meabe37 expressed an opinion against it.
I'm also surprised she is that popular, i mean, she looks good yeah, but there is barely any content with her...so the only reason i can think of why she is popular is her looks alone.
 
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I'm also surprised she is that popular, i mean, she looks good yeah, but there is barely any content with her...so the only reason i can think of why she is popular is her looks alone.
Personally, I suspect people like her because of the trope she represents. The big titty goth gf with a heart of gold, but stuck in a rough spot. But in reality, we have very little to go on.
 
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No by that i meant: stay as originally planned. Clearly Raven was supposed to be a side girl and Dora was to be a more central character/girl. And there is no doubt in my mind that she is 10 times more interesting than Raven. Yes i understand why she is "unpopular", she is here under false pretenses and deceiving MC. But that what make her interesting in term of story, relationship and drama. She is not my "best girl", i didn't use her example because i'm butt hurt she go scaled back. I'm just genuinely think she is one of the most interesting character here. Raven i only see a big sign "save me" that's just there to pull the savior complex string from peoples.
This ^
 
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The party is in full swing, I see :).

No? We just met them at the end, there are nothing set up expect that they are a couple. We know nothing about them really (not even their names) and they are tones of things that can happen or reasons, that could make them separate. Anyway maybe i'm wrong, it has been a couples of months since i played it, gonna need to replay for the next update, in which case sorry. I was just giving my opinion even through it's not gonna change anything^^
To be precise - after the 1st release we were told there’d be both solo and throuple options, and that most LIs should be available for solo routes. Since the game is not a harem, it’s logical (to me at least) to assume that some girls were locked into a 3-some path. And now that SK said Ash/Hannah is "all or nothing" deal, it kind of makes sense.
So, as metamorphMP pointed out - it has nothing to do with possible adjustments, I don't think it does.

Personally, I suspect people like her because of the trope she represents. The big titty goth gf with a heart of gold, but stuck in a rough spot. But in reality, we have very little to go on.
Personally I just find Raven absolutely smoking hot - it’s a matter of taste, but she’s my #2 when it comes to looks (right after Dora). Weirdly enough, I kinda liked her messy haircut too. Funny, since I heard SK is gonna change her hair asset.

I don’t think her "damsel in distress / goth-gf with a soft spot" vibe is the main reason I like her - at least, not solely. There are other LIs in this game who can be described as "stuck in a rough spot", but what pushes me toward Raven is her look, and that short, genuine-feeling interaction she had (though brief).

If we’re talking looks-only ranking: for me it would be Dora => Raven => Gemma. Character wise... well, that’s another story - we just don’t know enough about most of them yet. But if I had to pick right now, I’d pick Raven without hesitation.

Not gonna lie. I'm a bit bumped by this. Your game had a amazing start and i'm not trying to be an ass but ...

You cut things you planned for some of the interesting girls because they are not popular...
Then you upgrade the stripper because she is somehow super popular ... Weren't you saying she would not be a LI? I don't even get it, why is she even popular...there is nothing there honestly. Cut her and keep content for a better one like Dora at least, or something...
You're too kind, Sir :)
 
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Not gonna lie. I'm a bit bumped by this. Your game had a amazing start and i'm not trying to be an ass but ...

You cut things you planned for some of the interesting girls because they are not popular...
Then you upgrade the stripper because she is somehow super popular ... Weren't you saying she would not be a LI? I don't even get it, why is she even popular...there is nothing there honestly. Cut her and keep content for a better one like Dora at least, or something...
And now 4 girls are forced trouple or nothing... that's just bad. Hopefully we don't just like one of them otherwise, fuck us i guess?

Thankfully they will still be others girls, like Mio and stuff, and i can tell the game gonna be really good overall. But those decisions are frankly frustrating... especially the "forced" stuff or that maybe our favorite girl gonna have less content than the other girls just "because". I don't even really mind that you upgraded a girl that i don't really have an interest in, the problem imo is that you scale back better ones for it.

Probably an unpopular opinion (especially since i'm bashing the raven) but oh well, it is what it is.

hoping the best for the game.
Hey, first of all thanks for your input. I cant emphasize enough when I say: its too early to tell.
I definitely plan to significantly establish all LI thoroughly before committing to any decision.
Dora is definitely one of those girls that needs more context, because there is not much to go on atm. I'm fully aware that thats the reason why she isnt as popular as others.
I kinda suspect thats going to change once she makes her reappearance.

As for the throuples, I'm afraid that one of them, the couple from the Ch1 cliffhanger, will only come as a package deal. that was always intended and has nothing to do with my plans of scaling back. Unfortunately this is non-negotiable and no matter how many people desire those solo paths, you wont be able to break them up.
Sorry if that feels "forced" to you, but i never made any promises along that line. maybe you end up liking both girls eventually :)
This wont apply to the other throuple tho. lets just say that the other throuple's emergence is entirely dependent on your choice.

As for Raven, her popularity is only part of why I decided to create a romance path for her.
As a little bit of background, when I created Raven she was only supposed to be an NPC basically, just like the redheaded stripper. But during creation and writing I just discovered this narrative that you saw during Dora's date. Other writers can probably relate to this. sometimes during writing things just emerge organically.
I created her model and she somehow had a sad look on her face, so i came up with her story. I was always intigued to expand on that from the beginning and her popularity just served as a great excuse to do so. I dont want you to think that she is the reason that other LIs might be scaled back. thats not the case at all. its not an "either or".

Lastly I want to say that I'm extremely blown away by everyones passion and investment in my characters.
Its so surreal and I appreciate everyones perspective and opinion. Never in a million years would I have thought that other people might feel like that towards my characters.
I also want to say, great to see that the discussion has been overwhelmingly respectful. I dont want to see anyone shamed or harassed for liking one girl over another.

So, thanks everyone!
 

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Personally I just find Raven absolutely smoking hot - it’s a matter of taste, but she’s my #2 when it comes to looks (right after Dora). Weirdly enough, I kinda liked her messy haircut too. Funny, since I heard SK is gonna change her hair asset.
Yeah, perfectly fine. And I do think that she got a surprising amount of characterization in the few lines we got involving her.

It's too bad to see that Dora was a victim of the narrative. I really don't think she's up to something nasty. I wouldn't be surprised if she's part of an organization that tries to dismantle human smuggling rings instead. But her pushy and mysterious behavior didn't do her any favors. She has the potential to be the best LI, but my gut says to keep her at a distance. Even when taking her into the bathroom, there was still that subtext of her wanting to get something out of that interaction, making it feel transactional and manipulative. Yeah, difficult to trust.

Purely based on looks, my ranking would be:
Dora > Mio > Blue Punk > Green Punk > Theresa > Sylvie > Olivia > redhead stripper > Raven > Gemma
I have a preference for more athletic bodies and smaller/realistic breasts, though Raven's ass is magnificent.
 
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