VN Ren'Py Love Dolls [v0.1 Remaster] [Smugger]

[demello667]

That's not really how Li's work. An Li for games or stories isn't just a character being in a romantic relationship or having eyes for one character. An Li counts if for the game itself they are romanceable for the story itself. They don't become an Li, they either are or aren't. What you're saying isn't how an Li works.

And if this is the case and those scenes aren't avoidable then your post about it is misleading because it is NOT avoidable. And if you want to make a game like that then that's fine but you need to be clear.

There is nothing misleading about my post. I was very clear that atm there is 1 LI. It also depends on how you play you can end up with all or none or 1. So yeah I do not see where I mislead with my post. Also as I said some are avoidable but not all. So again there is nothing misleading about it. (edit this also is not my game I am just working for Smugger, I answer questions for him). You also do not romance Love Dolls. So the harem ending they still are not romanced, you just kinda take them for you. I clearly understand how LI works, I played many VN's myself.

 

[the_fluff]

There is nothing misleading about my post. I was very clear that atm there is 1 LI. It also depends on how you play you can end up with all or none or 1. So yeah I do not see where I mislead with my post. Also as I said some are avoidable but not all. So again there is nothing misleading about it. (edit this also is not my game I am just working for Smugger, I answer questions for him). You also do not romance Love Dolls. So the harem ending they still are not romanced, you just kinda take them for you. I clearly understand how LI works, I played many VN's myself.

My bad about mistaking you for the dev. That's my fault for assuming, my bad. When I said misleading, I was referring to the future of NTR post by Smugger.

I put romance in quotes because I mean, just you take them for the MC. Whether that's actual romance or sex slave it's still a Li. And if some Li sex scenes are unavoidable, then that means some aren't, and that means ntr is not avoidable. Smugger says in the post that NTR is avoidable, but if what you're saying is true, then that's not true.

Smugger can say some ntr is avoidable and some isn't. They can even say only crush scenes are avoidable. But saying "ntr is avoidable" based on what you said is just not true.

I'm not here to argue against them, making the game like that if they want. They should write their story. But to say NTR is avoidable is untrue if members of the future harem will be fucking other people and it's unavoidable during the course of the game.

 

[demello667]

My bad about mistaking you for the dev. I was talking about the post by the dev about the future of NTR. My bad. When I said misleading I was referring to the future of NTR post by Smugger.

I put romance in quotes because I mean just you take them for the MC. Whether that's actual romance or sex slave it's still an Li. And if some Li sex scenes are unavoidable then that means some aren't and that means ntr is not avoidable. Smugger says in the post that NTR is avoidable but if what you're saying is true then that's not true.

Smugger can say some ntr is avoidable and some isn't. They can even say only crush scenes are avoidable. But saying "ntr is avoidable" based on what you said is just not true.

I'm not here to argue against them makimg the game like that if they want. They should write their story. But to say NTR is avoidable is untrue if members of the future harem will be fucking other people and it's unavoidable during the course of the game.

Most others and I do not see Love Dolls as Love Interests. Since it is 100% against their will and have 0 choice in it whatsoever. Even in most other corruption games etc that does have multiple LI or even sex slave games most women still seem to want it. And in your logic then yes there is still avoidable NTR, since if you go for the good ending or for the bad ending there will no NTR for you as MC. Since you end up with either Julie or no girls. And his post about making it avoidable was purely for Julie being made avoidable since some people count crush as NTR.

 

[the_fluff]

Most others and I do not see Love Dolls as Love Interests. Since it is 100% against their will and have 0 choice in it whatsoever. Even in most other corruption games etc that does have multiple LI or even sex slave games most women still seem to want it. And in your logic then yes there is still avoidable NTR, since if you go for the good ending or for the bad ending there will no NTR for you as MC. Since you end up with either Julie or no girls. And his post about making it avoidable was purely for Julie being made avoidable since some people count crush as NTR.

I don't see how that makes it avoidable if on the harem ending they have sex scenes so I have to disagree. If they are gonna be part of the harem and have unavoidable scenes than the NTR is unavoidable. And the dev should specify that it's only avoidable for one Li.

I'm not trying to convince the Dev to get rid of whatever they've planned, but saying the NTR is avoidable is just not true. If someone says NTR is avoidable than all of it has to be otherwise only some of it is and it's not avoidable. Which is fine but the dev has to make that clear.

 

[demello667]

I don't see how that makes it avoidable if on the harem ending they have sex scenes so I have to disagree. If they are gonna be part of the harem and have unavoidable scenes than the NTR is unavoidable. And the dev should specify that it's only avoidable for one Li.

I'm not trying to convince the Dev to get rid of whatever they've planned, but saying the NTR is avoidable is just not true. If someone says NTR is avoidable than all of it has to be otherwise only some of it is and it's not avoidable. Which is fine but the dev has to make that clear.

Because there is more then 1 ending. It is not just the harem ending, which makes it avoidable. Also in this same logic in real life any non-virgin you have sex with means NTR. Since they have sex with others before you get them. If you look at it from MC's perspective which you seem to do then yes totally it is avoidable to be NTR'd. This game specially from the start is the viewers perspective it is kinda like watching adult movies in a way really or the thriller movie where you see the bad guys doing their stuff while the good guys are slowly introduced.

 

[the_fluff]

Because there is more then 1 ending. It is not just the harem ending, which makes it avoidable. Also in this same logic in real life any non-virgin you have sex with means NTR. Since they have sex with others before you get them. If you look at it from MC's perspective which you seem to do then yes totally it is avoidable to be NTR'd. This game specially from the start is the viewers perspective it is kinda like watching adult movies in a way really or the thriller movie where you see the bad guys doing their stuff while the good guys are slowly introduced.

Well obviously not. This logic I only apply to these types of games not real life. I don't apply that to real people. Why are you comparing it to real life when I'm only talking the game. If it's a game it's a different expectation. Why would I wanna see my future harem candidates get fucked by others and be able to do nothing about. That's frustrating.


And what you're saying is its not avoidable if you go towards the harem ending. That needs to be specified. I want the Harem path but if the harem ending has unavoidable scenes then it's not avoidable. I'm saying it needs to be specified. If I see NTR is avoidable and a harem tag, I expect it to be avoidable on that path. If it's not I'd like to know. And in that case the future of NTR post by the dev is not truthful.

So it's avoidable if you go the good path but not avoidable if you go the harem ending. That needs to be specified in the post. I don't know why you think that's so outrageous to specify. It's an easy thing to specify.

 

[Kazandra]

Well obviously not. This logic I only apply to these types of games not real life. I don't apply that to real people. Why are you comparing it to real life when I'm only talking the game. If it's a game it's a different expectation. Why would I wanna see my future harem candidates get fucked by others and be able to do nothing about. That's frustrating.


And what you're saying is its not avoidable if you go towards the harem ending. That needs to be specified. I want the Harem path but if the harem ending has unavoidable scenes then it's not avoidable. I'm saying it needs to be specified. If I see NTR is avoidable and a harem tag, I expect it to be avoidable on that path. If it's not I'd like to know. And in that case the future of NTR post by the dev is not truthful.

So it's avoidable if you go the good path but not avoidable if you go the harem ending. That needs to be specified in the post. I don't know why you think that's so outrageous to specify. It's an easy thing to specify.

You have the most rediculous view of ntr ever. I get why they get so frustrated by you. Your logic makes no sense at all and theirs do. If you think with your warped view this is NTR then dont play it and move on. Dont whine to them cause you misunderstanding stuff.

 

[the_fluff]

You have the most rediculous view of ntr ever. I get why they get so frustrated by you. Your logic makes no sense at all and theirs do. If you think with your warped view this is NTR then dont play it and move on. Dont whine to them cause you misunderstanding stuff.

Why? I'm saying if a character is gonna be in the harem then they are an Li and if they have unavoidable scenes then NTR isn't avoidable. It's pretty simple.

I just think it would be better if they specified it. I'm not even saying they should change anything in the game. Just if they're gonna make the post about the future of NTR in their game then they should specify.

Like:
Good Ending =Avoidable
Bad Ending = Unavoidable
Harem Ending = Unavoidable

If the dev wants to do that in the game that's fine but it should be specified. It would make things clearer. People are going to expect stuff as avoidable in the harem ending if tje dev says it avoidable. I just think this would be a good specification that will make things clearer.

 

[Kazandra]

Why? I'm saying if a character is gonna be in the harem then they are an Li and if they have unavoidable scenes then NTR isn't avoidable. It's pretty simple.

I just think it would be better if they specified it. I'm not even saying they should change anything in the game. Just if they're gonna make the post about the future of NTR in their game then they should specify.

Like:
Good Ending =Avoidable
Bad Ending = Unavoidable
Harem Ending = Unavoidable

If the dev wants to do that in the game that's fine but it should be specified. It would make things clearer. People are going to expect stuff as avoidable in the harem ending if tje dev says it avoidable. I just think this would be a good specification that will make things clearer.

Cause the harem is specified to be the ending. Therefor not cheating so no ntr since they arent gotten till ending. Bad ending seems you get no relationship if i understand correctly therefor not cheating and no ntr. In the good understanding if i understand correctly you get your crush and her being taken is avoidable for those that consider crush taken as ntr therefor not cheating not ntr. Therefor only logical conclusion it IS avoidable. And i fully agree on the statement that if you consider the harem NTR you should consider non-virgins NTR too. Also agree with love dolls not being LI at all since it is totally different then what normally would be considered LI. I do not like NTR.I love this game though since it is far from.

They clearly specify this but because ppl like you dont stop and think they gotta answer nonesensical questions like yours. While they probably are already busy enough for the next update.

 

[the_fluff]

Cause the harem is specified to be the ending. Therefor not cheating so no ntr since they arent gotten till ending. Bad ending seems you get no relationship if i understand correctly therefor not cheating and no ntr. In the good understanding if i understand correctly you get your crush and her being taken is avoidable for those that consider crush taken as ntr therefor not cheating not ntr. Therefor only logical conclusion it IS avoidable. And i fully agree on the statement that if you consider the harem NTR you should consider non-virgins NTR too. Also agree with love dolls not being LI at all since it is totally different then what normally would be considered LI. I do not like NTR.I love this game though since it is far from.

They clearly specify this but because ppl like you dont stop and think they gotta answer nonesensical questions like yours. While they probably are already busy enough for the next update.

Well if any of the harem candidates are getting fucked while in the timeline of the game then yes I would consider that in the territory of NTR.

And I don't consider non virgin harems as NTR as long as the sex is avoidable in the timeframe of when I play the game. If they had sex before the current timeline of the game then I'm fine with that. Why are you putting words in my mouth that I think that way. Like I don't think I've been disrespectful, I've just been saying my opinion. If I have I apologize, cause it's not intended.

If the harem really is only at the end then it's only a harem in name only. But I still stand by if harem candidates are fucking other characters during the time frame of the games current story then NTR is not avoidable.

 

[the_fluff]

Ok, we disagree. That's fine, people disagree its life but lets stop there. You know how it goes we'll keep arguing and have pages of an argument thread and no one wants that. I'll just say what I'll say in this comment and leave it there.

Netorare, NTR, Harem, maledom, male domimation, avoidable, unavoidable. These are probably some keywords that are gonna be looked for in the search bar for people who want more info from the forums.

So it seems like Netorare will be avoidable for 1 Li if you follow what's called the good ending but if you follow the harem ending there will be some avoidable and some unavoidable scenes with Harem candidates. If you have a problem with this maybe the game isn't for you but if you don't have a problem maybe it is.

For maledom. It seems currently there is maledom but its not by the MC currently and the MC wont get those scenes until later so if your expecting some gratification for the MC getting maledom if you play what's currently available you'll be disappointed but if your fine waiting you may be fine.

This is what I've inferred from the questions I've asked. If the buts I mentioned above are deal breakers I would say move on but if they aren't deal breakers then I say give the game a shot. I think it has a really interesting premise and just the story itself has the potential to be good. It doesn't seem to be for me based on the answers I got but that doesn't mean it's not for whoever's reading this comment.

Dev, sorry about all the messages on the forum. Must have been annoying. I hope you do well for yourself and you get more people who like your game. Good luck and have a fun time. If I was disrespectful in my other messages I apologize.

 

[Kazandra]

Well if any of the harem candidates are getting fucked while in the timeline of the game then yes I would consider that in the territory of NTR.

And I don't consider non virgin harems as NTR as long as the sex is avoidable in the timeframe of when I play the game. If they had sex before the current timeline of the game then I'm fine with that. Why are you putting words in my mouth that I think that way. Like I don't think I've been disrespectful, I've just been saying my opinion. If I have I apologize, cause it's not intended.

If the harem really is only at the end then it's only a harem in name only. But I still stand by if harem candidates are fucking other characters during the time frame of the games current story then NTR is not avoidable.

The reason I jumped on was cause you were kind of disrespectful. You said they were misleading and basically lying, which they were not.

A lot of games have harem tags and are only harem at the end so the harem tag is justified. Also if I would look at your definition of LI then the moment they get turned into love dolls they become their owners LI and since it seems you steal them that makes it netori territory not NTR/netorare.

The fact I agree wit Demello's virgin arguement is cause they do fuck others in your timeline and in that logic any sex you would have with a none virgin would be NTR. Which would include a lot of people.
It is why the arguement makes no sense to me why that would even be close to NTR.

I agree with stopping the arguement but i just had to say this.

 

[the_fluff]

The reason I jumped on was cause you were kind of disrespectful. You said they were misleading and basically lying, which they were not.

A lot of games have harem tags and are only harem at the end so the harem tag is justified. Also if I would look at your definition of LI then the moment they get turned into love dolls they become their owners LI and since it seems you steal them that makes it netori territory not NTR/netorare.

The fact I agree wit Demello's virgin arguement is cause they do fuck others in your timeline and in that logic any sex you would have with a none virgin would be NTR. Which would include a lot of people.
It is why the arguement makes no sense to me why that would even be close to NTR.

I agree with stopping the arguement but i just had to say this.

Like I said, for the non virgin thing. My logic is that if they had sex before the game began that's fine. I don't mind that. But if an Li has sex during the time-frame that I'm playing the game then I would consider that NTR.

Like if a character isn't a virgin when I start the game I'm cool with that. But if I'm repeatedly shown an Li having sex with other characters not the MC and there's nothing I can do to stop it then I would consider that the territory of NTR. I wish there was a better tag to exemplify "I only want the MC to get action" like "MCentric" tag or something. But there isn't. They closest thing is saying netorate is avoidable = Li's don't have sex with others characters not the MC.

And I don't agree with those other games having the harem tag either if you only interact with the harem candidates in the end.

And about the post not being truthful I just don't think it would be because when I see "NTR is avoidable" then I expect any sex scenes not involving the MC as avoidable. Like I said I wish there was a tag for that but there isn't and the closest thing is just saying NTR is avoidable.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

The reason I jumped on was cause you were kind of disrespectful. You said they were misleading and basically lying, which they were not.

A lot of games have harem tags and are only harem at the end so the harem tag is justified. Also if I would look at your definition of LI then the moment they get turned into love dolls they become their owners LI and since it seems you steal them that makes it netori territory not NTR/netorare.

The fact I agree wit Demello's virgin arguement is cause they do fuck others in your timeline and in that logic any sex you would have with a none virgin would be NTR. Which would include a lot of people.
It is why the arguement makes no sense to me why that would even be close to NTR.

I agree with stopping the arguement but i just had to say this.

No, there is only one definition to a Love Interest.

Which means any character that has an option to develop a sexual/romatic relationship with the protagonist during the story falls under the Love Interest definition. And yes, having said Love Interests get fucked by other people does in fact fall under NTR umbrella.
The dev have been very vague about this and tried really hard to tiptoe around the topic. Instead of just admitting that the game is about a cuck (protagonist kun) who watches all his love interests get fucked by other men.

 

[Kazandra]

Like I said, for the non virgin thing. My logic is that if they had sex before the game began that's fine. I don't mind that. But if an Li has sex during the time-frame that I'm playing the game then I would consider that NTR.

Like if a character isn't a virgin when I start the game I'm cool with that. But if I'm repeatedly shown an Li having sex with other characters not the MC and there's nothing I can do to stop it then I would consider that the territory of NTR. I wish there was a better tag to exemplify "I only want the MC to get action" like "MCentric" tag or something. But there isn't. They closest thing is saying netorate is avoidable = Li's don't have sex with others characters not the MC.

And I don't agree with those other games having the harem tag either if you only interact with the harem candidates in the end.

And about the post not being truthful I just don't think it would be because when I see "NTR is avoidable" then I expect any sex scenes not involving the MC as avoidable. Like I said I wish there was a tag for that but there isn't and the closest thing is just saying NTR is avoidable.

Its not NTR not even close though. That is why I said you have a warped definition of NTR. Since you steal others girls thats netori if you go for harem end. Saying that could turn people away from the game while it's not even true. And cost a dev followers/subs.

I also see the virgin arguement as sound as it is goes way over you head so I wont continue there.

Also it's not a harem until the females agree with it otherwise it is basically cheating. Which barely happens in vn's except for the endings which means there are barely any harem games.

The only thing I do agree on there should be some kind of male only action tag so people will stop coming into forums like this to argue about stuff that should not be argued about. And insecure males don't become keyboard warriors in forums like this and people who actually want to enjoy a good story and not just a boring old porn game can. Moments like this makes me glad I am not a male.

 

[Kazandra]

No, there is only one definition to a Love Interest.
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Which means any character that has an option to develop a sexual/romatic relationship with the protagonist during the story falls under the Love Interest definition. And yes, having said Love Interests get fucked by other people does in fact fall under NTR umbrella.
The dev have been very vague about this and tried really hard to tiptoe around the topic. Instead of just admitting that the game is about a cuck (protagonist kun) who watches all his love interests get fucked by other men.

Love dolls don't have affection for you. They obey your commands your entire arguement falls apart right there.

Also he has been very clear about it just ppl without a brain do not seem to understand this is not NTR. And he has not been tip toeing around this.

 

[the_fluff]

Its not NTR not even close though. That is why I said you have a warped definition of NTR. Since you steal others girls thats netori if you go for harem end. Saying that could turn people away from the game while it's not even true. And cost a dev followers/subs.

I also see the virgin arguement as sound as it is goes way over you head so I wont continue there.

Also it's not a harem until the females agree with it otherwise it is basically cheating. Which barely happens in vn's except for the endings which means there are barely any harem games.

The only thing I do agree on there should be some kind of male only action tag so people will stop coming into forums like this to argue about stuff that should not be argued about. And insecure males don't become keyboard warriors in forums like this and people who actually want to enjoy a good story and not just a boring old porn game can. Moments like this makes me glad I am not a male.

I just don't agree with you on certain things honestly. If there are characterz that the MC can fuck and they are getting fucked by others characters and there's nothing you can do about it then I would put that under the umbrella of unavoidable Netorare or sharing.

And I don't think not wanting Li's or harem candidates to fuck others characters is insecure. I just don't want that or want it to be avoidable. And it made clear if it's not.

And I don't know what you mean is going over my head. I've made my stance clear and you're putting what you think in what I've said like I believe that even though I've said I haven't. I'm trying to not be disrespectful because I was before with implying the dev was lying and I apologized for that. But now you are. Chill out.

So here's my stance. If characters that will be in the harem have unavoidable sex scenes not involving the MC during the present the time frame of when the story starts then I consider that under the umbrella of unavoidable netorare and or sharing. And other people do too. And that's fine if the dev wants to do that. And also fine if you disagree with me.

 

[Devshill]

The whole NTR bit needs to go it's real simple
Are the girls that MC can fuck going to be fucked by other guys? Yes if so is it avoidable? Etc. like stop throwing out the word NTR as it just makes it messy.
MC pp go in girl only? Y/N monkey brain ass question.

 

[demello667]

The whole NTR bit needs to go it's real simple
Are the girls that MC can fuck going to be fucked by other guys? Yes if so is it avoidable? Etc. like stop throwing out the word NTR as it just makes it messy.
MC pp go in girl only? Y/N monkey brain ass question.

I like it formulated like that ^^.
So:
If you go for the harem ending then no. (some are avoidable but since far from all are the answer would be no, but they will be fucked before you steal them.) (I know you asked not to use it but I wanna make clear this will be netori not netorare) (also some will be fucked by girls not guys so not all will get a pp inside)
If you go for the good ending then yes. (MC's pp isn't the only 1 going in girls, but you will end up with your crush only, and that will be made avoidable)
If you go for bad ending then MC's pp won't go into girls.

 

[demello667]

I just don't agree with you on certain things honestly. If there are characterz that the MC can fuck and they are getting fucked by others characters and there's nothing you can do about it then I would put that under the umbrella of unavoidable Netorare or sharing.

And I don't think not wanting Li's or harem candidates to fuck others characters is insecure. I just don't want that or want it to be avoidable. And it made clear if it's not.

And I don't know what you mean is going over my head. I've made my stance clear and you're putting what you think in what I've said like I believe that even though I've said I haven't. I'm trying to not be disrespectful because I was before with implying the dev was lying and I apologized for that. But now you are. Chill out.

So here's my stance. If characters that will be in the harem have unavoidable sex scenes not involving the MC during the present the time frame of when the story starts then I consider that under the umbrella of unavoidable netorare and or sharing. And other people do too. And that's fine if the dev wants to do that. And also fine if you disagree with me.

Well I would like to clarify something. (this isn't to argue but maybe it makes you understand better)

The story is about a corporation that, in the shadows, is capturing girls and turning them into sex dolls. (which are basically sex androids made of humans but mind controlled) Then they will be sold off as sex droids to people.
The current turned girls have scenes in the "years ago" part. Which is before MC is of age and not even introduced yet. He doesn't even know them besides maybe Vanessa who is the sister of his crush. MC has no clue even what is happening.
(since I know nothing of the future this is my best guess) Once the MC figures out this is happening, he will go after the corporation and either turn them back or take them for himself. He might also fail in this depending on your choices hence the bad end.

There are more girls that MC will not even know that will be turned. He only knows a few of them and hates half of them. This is why it is not netorare. Since girls aren't being stolen from him really, but he will steal them eventually if you go for the harem.

This makes it netori not netorare since you steal others girls.

The game isn't also purely about the MC having sex with girls. It rather is a story with sex in it. But the main focus is way more on the story then the sex.

Are they fucked by others before you steal them yes. And if this is not acceptable for you. Sure that is understandable for me. And not a game for you.