Ren'Py Love & Sex Second Base [v24.11.0b] [Andrealphus]

[JollyRancher69]

So what happened to make them quit was it the rage over the DLC characters? Which imo was a dumb decision as dev makes $15k on Patreon monthly . Or was it people on this thread repeatedly sperging out over Angela guess when a game gets as big as his new people would keep coming on here asking the same shit so he got tired of it?

The threads been cleaned up a few times by mods because of how often things get off topic but it seemed the Dev got sick of explaining their stance on Angela, and if the android downloader was justified or just an attempt at combating piracy (at least I think that was the argument people were making). Honestly most of the conversations here went in circles. (and still do)

 

[Eponym]

I missed an event in Summer for a character that had not even shown up. The time skip cheat is gone. Am I just screwed?

 

[Cartageno]

Hopefully he never realizes Minami probably already does this.

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Lol, uh oh. Let's hope we scared him off from here for good so he never sees that.

Andrealphus is very well aware about the line he is skimming with Minami, however, as stated by him, the question of "why not Angela when Minami - who is by rules the same risk - already is an LI" has been answered with "It's not about Patreon, it's about what I (dev) like". So there is no rational argument to be made here, it's an artistic decision, not a commercial one.

I honestly no longer have any expectations with this game, whatever comes is profit, the creator seems to be much more concerned with creating new bg and characters, as well as screwing up the programming, than actually developing characters and events that he himself had already started, not to mention creating exclusive DLC characters, which has no other excuse other than making some extra money.

To be fair, most of the girls' storylines have been finished. Might we want more? Sure. But that's not in the plans, never was. As for the DLC characters: many of them have been in the game as teasers for years, so they also fall under "characters and events that had already started". At least for male MC the game is obviously reaching its conclusion.

As for "on other excuse than making extra money": yeah, that's his stated goal. He is doing this professionally, this game is what puts food on the table and pays his bills. So of course he wants to make money and more money from it. It's not a hobby project on the side. You may like that or not, but if he can get extra money out of it, he will, and I would argue that's fair enough. After all, he delivers on his end by putting out regular updates with more content than many other devs, and you don't have to support on Patreon but can buy the game as a one off on multiple sites.

 

[CMPunk434]

Is the mod that enables both Bree paths for the latest version available?

 

[Tehemai]

Andrealphus is very well aware about the line he is skimming with Minami, however, as stated by him, the question of "why not Angela when Minami - who is by rules the same risk - already is an LI" has been answered with "It's not about Patreon, it's about what I (dev) like". So there is no rational argument to be made here, it's an artistic decision, not a commercial one.

Answered perhaps, answered truthfully is another matter. There's too much evidence to the contrary for that explanation for that to be even marginally believable. And frankly, by his earlier claims it also sounds like he often works with fetishes he does not care for. So the idea that he'd turn down an optional fan favorite romance on that basis makes it doubly implausible.

Imo, much more likely that Minami already had to much public content to just delete from the game without huge backlash. Whereas angela was early phases so she was safe to remove, whereas updates for her on his patreon timeline would be less safe.

 

[Chameleo]

She will probably get pregnant through artificial insemination or some story plot, although I have a Mandela effect of having already seen an art of Mike fucking her in the hot tub (but it must probably be some false memory of mine), the creator has already made it very clear that he has no intention of doing incest (although ironically we may have a relationship with our sister) and he made it very clear that it's his game and he doesn't care about criticism and that he will do whatever the fuck he wants, the ragequit was so big, that he even cried on Twitter, saying that he had lost patience with people on this forum.


I honestly no longer have any expectations with this game, whatever comes is profit, the creator seems to be much more concerned with creating new bg and characters, as well as screwing up the programming, than actually developing characters and events that he himself had already started, not to mention creating exclusive DLC characters, which has no other excuse other than making some extra money.

Yea, I remember reading about him not wanting to make any actual incest content, but as I said, I've read recently that Angela was changed to be just a stepmother, so that's why I was wondering, whether he changed it so he could make her romanceable.

 

[xxl]

I want fullsave

 

[naoligopraisso]

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Andrealphus is very well aware about the line he is skimming with Minami, however, as stated by him, the question of "why not Angela when Minami - who is by rules the same risk - already is an LI" has been answered with "It's not about Patreon, it's about what I (dev) like". So there is no rational argument to be made here, it's an artistic decision, not a commercial one.



To be fair, most of the girls' storylines have been finished. Might we want more? Sure. But that's not in the plans, never was. As for the DLC characters: many of them have been in the game as teasers for years, so they also fall under "characters and events that had already started". At least for male MC the game is obviously reaching its conclusion.

As for "on other excuse than making extra money": yeah, that's his stated goal. He is doing this professionally, this game is what puts food on the table and pays his bills. So of course he wants to make money and more money from it. It's not a hobby project on the side. You may like that or not, but if he can get extra money out of it, he will, and I would argue that's fair enough. After all, he delivers on his end by putting out regular updates with more content than many other devs, and you don't have to support on Patreon but can buy the game as a one off on multiple sites.

I really don't want to start a discussion or hate the game, because the game is undeniably good, and Andrealphus is one of the few, among many developers, who manages to deliver monthly updates, I just said that for me, I don't create more expectations with the game or with characters, and I don't deny that there are a lot of characters with the story developed, but the vast majority took years to do so, the game was developed in mid-2017, so in 2018 it was reformulated and posted here as "second base", characters like Reona, Natalie, Victor, Master and Cherie, are very old, Reona was created in 2018 and only now 6 years later has it started to be developed, so I think it's quite fair to disagree with your statement and say no , the game is nowhere near over (not that I care either).

Regarding the DLC characters and money, I don't think it was worth talking about, because it's obvious that it's for money, so much so that you just reinforced that it's for money, and I'm not demonizing money, I just wanted to highlight it, there's no There's nothing wrong with wanting money, and for some it's never enough.

Yea, I remember reading about him not wanting to make any actual incest content, but as I said, I've read recently that Angela was changed to be just a stepmother, so that's why I was wondering, whether he changed it so he could make her romanceable.

Well, I don't remember seeing anything about that, and even if that's the case, I think it's difficult for it to happen, since he's tired of saying he'll never do anything between Mike and Angela

I want fullsave

Friend, several other people, every day of the week, month and year ask for the same thing and no one gives it, for the simple reason that if they spend a save with all the girls at maximum relationship, you will lose 90% of the game Besides, there are several fetishes and choices within the game that someone can make and you don't like in your gameplay, like NTR for example.

 

[Bradd D]

Andrealphus is very well aware about the line he is skimming with Minami, however, as stated by him, the question of "why not Angela when Minami - who is by rules the same risk - already is an LI" has been answered with "It's not about Patreon, it's about what I (dev) like". So there is no rational argument to be made here, it's an artistic decision, not a commercial one.

Nobody is honestly expecting Angela to be added at this point. That was shot down in the dev's last tantrum here.

 

[Bradd D]

I've read recently that Angela was changed to be just a stepmother

Where did you read this at?

 

[Cartageno]

Answered perhaps, answered truthfully is another matter. There's too much evidence to the contrary for that explanation for that to be even marginally believable. And frankly, by his earlier claims it also sounds like he often works with fetishes he does not care for. So the idea that he'd turn down an optional fan favorite romance on that basis makes it doubly implausible.

Imo, much more likely that Minami already had to much public content to just delete from the game without huge backlash. Whereas angela was early phases so she was safe to remove, whereas updates for her on his patreon timeline would be less safe.

He has worked with fetishes he at least struggles with, true, for example he gave it as a reason why he never expanded on femdom content beyond a few early characters.

However, I see no reason in this discussion to doubt the truthfulness of that he is saying "No Angela" is because of his own likes. As you yourself say, there is a fan favorite gone which can only hurt him. Also, even though having two step-related characters may be marginally more obvious than only one, I would think it doesn't change that much and doesn't really reduce the risk of losing Patreon as a stream of income. So from an economic perspective "No Angela" doesn't make sense. And I don't really see any other viable perspective why he would do so apart from "that's my decision" - regardless of whether he ever thought otherwise. After all, there will be (almost) no game where everything originally intended was implemented for whatever reason, and people change opinions sometimes for no reason at all, so him maybe wanting to do it at some point in the past doesn't mean that he doesn't tell the truth when he says that now he just doesn't want to do it.

 

[Cartageno]

Yea, I remember reading about him not wanting to make any actual incest content, but as I said, I've read recently that Angela was changed to be just a stepmother, so that's why I was wondering, whether he changed it so he could make her romanceable.

She was a stepmother all the time I think. At least it wasn't a recent change even though it may not originally have been officially confirmed, and certainly predates Andrealphus' statements, so sorry to disappoint, but that is unlikely. People already found clues about it at least two years ago, and I gotta admit, I doubted them at the time, until proven otherwise.

 

[PurpleMamba]

Anyone else getting clock watchdog timeout crashes anytime they try and run this game?

 

[Tehemai]

He has worked with fetishes he at least struggles with, true, for example he gave it as a reason why he never expanded on femdom content beyond a few early characters.

However, I see no reason in this discussion to doubt the truthfulness of that he is saying "No Angela" is because of his own likes. As you yourself say, there is a fan favorite gone which can only hurt him. Also, even though having two step-related characters may be marginally more obvious than only one, I would think it doesn't change that much and doesn't really reduce the risk of losing Patreon as a stream of income. So from an economic perspective "No Angela" doesn't make sense. And I don't really see any other viable perspective why he would do so apart from "that's my decision" - regardless of whether he ever thought otherwise. After all, there will be (almost) no game where everything originally intended was implemented for whatever reason, and people change opinions sometimes for no reason at all, so him maybe wanting to do it at some point in the past doesn't mean that he doesn't tell the truth when he says that now he just doesn't want to do it.

As I said, it would change things significantly if you add into the equation timeline. Minami is already in the game and she's not new. Therefore removing her content would pretty time consuming, buggy, a tremendous waste of already spent resources and could cause patrons to leave. Whereas with Patreon, the bulk of risk has largely already been incurred. And since he does not update her anymore outside of bugfixes, they're not as likely to notice.

With Angela, he would have to do regular updates to the character to get her up to par with other characters. And every update that fills his feed would come with risk that patreon finally flags it. So pulling the "artistic choice" card is the most optimal way to keep both camps off his back.

And there is obviously reasons to doubt his claim given how inconsistent it is with Minami and how he had already shown clear intentions before patreon became more strict. Call me crazy, but I think occam's razor here is simply a small PR lie than a sudden unsolicited unexplained unpopular change of heart from a person who's comfortable writing outside his kinks.

I'm open to other theories as to what "changed his heart", but imo Patreon is still the leading theory despite his angry yet oddly still always vague "just didn't want, shut up" claims. Especially since that would also explain why it's such a sore spot.

 

[naoligopraisso]

It's a shame that Angela is such an interesting and beautiful character to the point where the SON himself says: "Wow, my mother is beautiful", I think that if from the beginning she had been an ugly, old and wrinkled woman, no one would have been interested in her , and it's funny that she exists to support Minami's story and to have her own plot, but both characters were abandoned by Andrealphus, just like Cherie lol. In fact, abandoning characters and concepts happens a lot, like when it was said that there would be a focus on some point between Mike and other guys in the game, that there would be gay scenes and even there are ready-made arts of Mike running on the beach naked with Dwayne, Shawn, Jack and etc, but again, nothing so far.

 

[Cartageno]

As I said, it would change things significantly if you add into the equation timeline. Minami is already in the game and she's not new. Therefore removing her content would pretty time consuming, buggy, a tremendous waste of already spent resources and could cause patrons to leave. Whereas with Patreon, the bulk of risk has largely already been incurred. And since he does not update her anymore outside of bugfixes, they're not as likely to notice.

With Angela, he would have to do regular updates to the character to get her up to par with other characters. And every update that fills his feed would come with risk that patreon finally flags it. So pulling the "artistic choice" card is the most optimal way to keep both camps off his back.

And there is obviously reasons to doubt his claim given how inconsistent it is with Minami and how he had already shown clear intentions before patreon became more strict. Call me crazy, but I think occam's razor here is simply a small PR lie than a sudden unsolicited unexplained unpopular change of heart from a person who's comfortable writing outside his kinks.

I'm open to other theories as to what "changed his heart", but imo Patreon is still the leading theory despite his angry yet oddly still always vague "just didn't want, shut up" claims. Especially since that would also explain why it's such a sore spot.

If we take the timeline into account however, Minami wasn't that far developed back in the day as she is now either. I think we only had some early date like experiences which still could be stopped.

And I still don't see your "Occam's Razor" point because, assuming it is not what he wants, who would this "small PR lie" be directed at? The players/customers? They want Angela, if he doesn't deliver then why take the blame himself and not blame the mighty company - wouldn't him being unable to deliver instead of not wanting to deliver give him a better standing with them? Patreon? They would not care about some brown nosing on page 789 of some pirating forum or even on Twitter. I still don't see anything to gain for Andrealphus by saying "it's my personal decision". That's precisesly the "unsolicited unexplained unpopular change of heart" you say he wants to avoid with this.

 

[wnse_]

i missed a date with samantha & emma at coffe shop (16:00 o'clock). how do i get a new one?
PS: completed all samantha story

no one can help?

 

[errte13]

I've just restarted playing the game since I bought it on steam, but apparently there's a bit of drama going on? What's happening to the development of the game? Is it patreon/payment processing company that once again twist the arms of artists/developers?

 

[divingmedic]

I've just restarted playing the game since I bought it on steam, but apparently there's a bit of drama going on? What's happening to the development of the game? Is it patreon/payment processing company that once again twist the arms of artists/developers?

Very much so. Patreon are the new Puritans.

 

[McDiamond]

Hello, can anybody send me save v24.6.0a version ?