VN Ren'Py Lovephobia [v0.56] [Kuviragames]

[Kuviragames]

You kidding Right(I hope you are)? This is the most cuck looking game posted in last few months. Everything about this scream ntr/cuck game . I feel bad for the people who play optional ntr/cuck game thinking they will get something out of it lol.

You said it yourself you like ntr games the most so it's obvious where this game is going .
Thank you for being upfront about it though as someone who hate cuck/beta male shit I can safely ignore it .

Actually I hope you are kidding right now. Feel free to explain why the game screams "cuck/beta male shit". Two days ago.. no.. in the last week I saw 4 games on the update page that had the word "cuck" in the title. And my game Is the most cuck looking game the past few months? But feel free to tell me where this "cuck/beta male shit" in my game is.

You are welcome. Obviously just for "Omega - Alpha" guys like you I am so transparent about the game.

And as a bonus.. I decided I like futa content. With the next update all girls will have dicks and it will be an escape simulator for MC. And you know what will happen if one of the girls will catch MC.

Good luck on your journey.

 

[fishbrain]

No incest??

 

[Kuviragames]

No incest??
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No sorry. But I appreciate the Cartmen Gif.

 

[fishbrain]

No sorry. But I appreciate the Cartmen Gif.

I'll still check it out if I find time this weekend, just being funny!

 

[Badboll]

The MC is not a avatar of the player, he is a crashtest dummy.

The player is not in character, he is a observer. Empathy not coping.

I think you are wrong here. Actually I can't say that either because that is the way you feeling about that. But I think that a lot of people trying to use the MC as an avatar. So many things wouldn't be a problem for people if they just observe two characters.

What he is saying is correct. For a MC to be an "avatar" he needs to be a complete blank slate and everything he says and does has to be a choice. He can't have any thoughts or ideas of his own. He can't move a direction without the players input.
99% of games here do not qualify for that and people who play the game as if they are the MC anyway are fully allowed to do so. But what happens when the MC does something that you don't want them to do? Like comment on Avas text messages in that stupid way, I would have preferred that to have been a choice personally, resulting in points for the NTR route possibly. If I was viewing the game from the lens of me being the MC I would have been annoyed at that. Because that's not what I would have done.
You are not writing the MC as an "avatar" he's doing things without the players input.
If you want the MC to be that, then you need to write him to be that and that takes an incredible amount of effort on your part as the dev. Which is why there are hardly any games that are like that. Sure some poeple can relate to a character and immerse themselves anyway, but it's never going to be perfect, you are always going to get a reality check when the MC says and does something that you as the player don't agree with.
This is just a topic that annoys me often and I used to play games like that myself and I just quit games when the MC went in a direction I didn't enjoy.
Then I started to be the "viewer" instead and I find that I've been able to enjoy so many different stories that way.

 

[Kuokaman]

Going down on Ava in her sleep without a choice?! WTF? I'm not on her path and it destroys all the relation building sense of the game. The game is suddenly far less interesting.

 

[Kuviragames]

What he is saying is correct. For a MC to be an "avatar" he needs to be a complete blank slate and everything he says and does has to be a choice. He can't have any thoughts or ideas of his own. He can't move a direction without the players input.
99% of games here do not qualify for that and people who play the game as if they are the MC anyway are fully allowed to do so. But what happens when the MC does something that you don't want them to do? Like comment on Avas text messages in that stupid way, I would have preferred that to have been a choice personally, resulting in points for the NTR route possibly. If I was viewing the game from the lens of me being the MC I would have been annoyed at that. Because that's not what I would have done.
You are not writing the MC as an "avatar" he's doing things without the players input.
If you want the MC to be that, then you need to write him to be that and that takes an incredible amount of effort on your part as the dev. Which is why there are hardly any games that are like that. Sure some poeple can relate to a character and immerse themselves anyway, but it's never going to be perfect, you are always going to get a reality check when the MC says and does something that you as the player don't agree with.
This is just a topic that annoys me often and I used to play games like that myself and I just quit games when the MC went in a direction I didn't enjoy.
Then I started to be the "viewer" instead and I find that I've been able to enjoy so many different stories that way.

That's why I said "Actually I can't say that either because that is the way you feeling about that."
His point on this was "The player is not in character, he is a observer. Empathy not coping." I totally get your point but I don't see it like that.

I do agree that on some scenes there really could be more choices. And I will try to improve this "gameplay element" but that MC has to be complete blank and all to put myself into his/her/its position? No. At least not for me.

 

[Kuviragames]

Going down on Ava in her sleep without a choice?! WTF? I'm not on her path and it destroys all the relation building sense of the game. The game is suddenly far less interesting.

I am sorry that I broke the game for you. The "No Ava part" doesn't really exist. It's more with Ava in a relationship or just staying best friends. They are both best friends since kindergarden. They went trough a lot together, experienced all their first times with each other and so much more. And Ava is in Love with MC in both routes. And while MC went abroad meeting/sex with different girls, experienced so much new countries and bla bla. Ava stayed at home waiting every day for MC to return. So Ava is still in Love with MC but since they had no real chance and Ava was not brave enough they both stay on the best friends part.

MC is coming back after a bit over year. There is this girl, his best friend and like I mentioned the person he had his first kiss, first time sex and so. And she looks very beautiful, very sexy.. is flirty, gives you hints etc.

Now.. is it really so unbelievable that MC went for this move? The most realistic? Maybe not. The best I could came up with? Hell no. In a porn game? Maybe.

I don't know if that helps but sorry if I ruined the game for you.

 

[Firaxius]

Does anyone choose to cheat on Ava with Lisa in the final scene?

Not sure it cheating, since Ava seems not really a jealous girl, but no I didn't do anything with Lisa, before I did, but since with Ava and Zoe, I don't feel like messing around with more girls, it not an Harem game and geuss will only lead to bad endings if touch to much girls. Maybe in another playthrough I might try mess around, but for now i'll enjoy being a good guy path.

 

[Kuokaman]

Now.. is it really so unbelievable that MC went for this move? The most realistic? Maybe not. The best I could came up with? Hell no. In a porn game? Maybe.

Thank you for your kind reply. It's that I'm not interested in just porn games but in a life simulation games (treating sex as a very important part of life) and making my own decision as a player is super important to me. I like Zoe & Zunera much more and I think that normally having sex with Ava would just block any chances with them and even if not in this game - I still would not risk it with such an action. She may love the MC but MC may not love her back and would not like to hurt his best friend.

 

[Firaxius]

I am sorry that I broke the game for you. The "No Ava part" doesn't really exist. It's more with Ava in a relationship or just staying best friends. They are both best friends since kindergarden. They went trough a lot together, experienced all their first times with each other and so much more. And Ava is in Love with MC in both routes. And while MC went abroad meeting/sex with different girls, experienced so much new countries and bla bla. Ava stayed at home waiting every day for MC to return. So Ava is still in Love with MC but since they had no real chance and Ava was not brave enough they both stay on the best friends part.

MC is coming back after a bit over year. There is this girl, his best friend and like I mentioned the person he had his first kiss, first time sex and so. And she looks very beautiful, very sexy.. is flirty, gives you hints etc.

Now.. is it really so unbelievable that MC went for this move? The most realistic? Maybe not. The best I could came up with? Hell no. In a porn game? Maybe.

I don't know if that helps but sorry if I ruined the game for you.

It sad some see it that way, but i think in real it happens more then some think as well, I done fun things with girls too that been just friends and never been my girlfriend, it something that natural can happen in the right conditions, so no i don't think it game breaking, maybe for those who are like 100% faithfull maybe, but i don't believe in such things anymore.

 

[TheUberstuff]

So I haven't tried this game yet but I appreciate that on the front page it basically says the male is the one cheating. I really wish we had tags like Male cheating, female cheating or both cheating. Even if it is a male protagonist that doesn't mean the male is the one cheating and some of us like only female cheating, some of us like only male cheating and some like both. Doesn't anyone know how to make a suggestion to the site for more tags?

 

[Kuviragames]

It sad some see it that way, but i think in real it happens more then some think as well, I done fun things with girls too that been just friends and never been my girlfriend, it something that natural can happen in the right conditions, so no i don't think it game breaking, maybe for those who are like 100% faithfull maybe, but i don't believe in such things anymore.

Exactly. I could not say it in a better way.

 

[Kuviragames]

So I haven't tried this game yet but I appreciate that on the front page it basically says the male is the one cheating. I really wish we had tags like Male cheating, female cheating or both cheating. Even if it is a male protagonist that doesn't mean the male is the one cheating and some of us like only female cheating, some of us like only male cheating and some like both. Doesn't anyone know how to make a suggestion to the site for more tags?

Not just MC. Still there is a 100% Love route for Ava (Main Li).

I think there is actually a page where you can suggest tags. But I can't find it anymore.

 

[Badboll]

I am sorry that I broke the game for you. The "No Ava part" doesn't really exist. It's more with Ava in a relationship or just staying best friends. They are both best friends since kindergarden. They went trough a lot together, experienced all their first times with each other and so much more. And Ava is in Love with MC in both routes. And while MC went abroad meeting/sex with different girls, experienced so much new countries and bla bla. Ava stayed at home waiting every day for MC to return. So Ava is still in Love with MC but since they had no real chance and Ava was not brave enough they both stay on the best friends part.

MC is coming back after a bit over year. There is this girl, his best friend and like I mentioned the person he had his first kiss, first time sex and so. And she looks very beautiful, very sexy.. is flirty, gives you hints etc.

Now.. is it really so unbelievable that MC went for this move? The most realistic? Maybe not. The best I could came up with? Hell no. In a porn game? Maybe.

I don't know if that helps but sorry if I ruined the game for you.

If you haven't picked the choices that means you have sex with her earlier in the game, the mc should not just go to town on her while she's sleeping. If you did have sex with Ava already then it's fine.
It's also one of those things that you should consider adding choices for. It just seems like it should only happen during the ava romance route. For it to happen no matter what is kinda bad tbh.
Wasn't the sex they had in the game after he returned their first time together? I was under that impression at least.
Maybe I just forgot that part from last time I played.
If I am wrong about what I remember, then the scene is fine, she was fine with it and told him to wake her up next time.
But again if you don't pick any Ava choices it does seem weird that he just does that.
I am looking through the dialouge here and I can't find anything that states that the MC and Ava ever had sex before nor that they had any first together aside from being best friends in the not picking ava route. When you pick Ava choices. The only two things is her saying first time as a couple twice if you go to the whirlpool with her. But that doesn't happen if you don't pick it. And then again when they have sex in the hotel she says "The last time was with you, so it's been a while for me" Also doesn't happen if you are not on that route so you wouldn't even know they had sex before unless you go down that route. So it does come out of left field when he just goes to town on her, because you havn't gotten any context unless you are on the romance route with Ava.
It's your game and you can do what you want. I am just giving my opinions here.

 

[Kuviragames]

If you haven't picked the choices that means you have sex with her earlier in the game, the mc should not just go to town on her while she's sleeping. If you did have sex with Ava already then it's fine.
It's also one of those things that you should consider adding choices for. It just seems like it should only happen during the ava romance route. For it to happen no matter what is kinda bad tbh.
Wasn't the sex they had in the game after he returned their first time together? I was under that impression at least.
Maybe I just forgot that part from last time I played.
If I am wrong about what I remember, then the scene is fine, she was fine with it and told him to wake her up next time.
But again if you don't pick any Ava choices it does seem weird that he just does that.
I am looking through the dialouge here and I can't find anything that states that the MC and Ava ever had sex before nor that they had any first together aside from being best friends in the not picking ava route. When you pick Ava choices. The only two things is her saying first time as a couple twice if you go to the whirlpool with her. But that doesn't happen if you don't pick it. And then again when they have sex in the hotel she says "The last time was with you, so it's been a while for me" Also doesn't happen if you are not on that route so you wouldn't even know they had sex before unless you go down that route. So it does come out of left field when he just goes to town on her, because you havn't gotten any context unless you are on the romance route with Ava.
It's your game and you can do what you want. I am just giving my opinions here.

And I appreciate it a lot specially the time you investing for the game, for your thoughts and so on. Written without showing emotions some my responses might look a bit harsh. But as you can see I read every single comment, I reply to over 90% of them. So feedback like yours is very important for me and honestly I love talking about my game. Probably like every dev.

I wrote my opinion to the eating out ava scene a few comments above. Please take a look at that.
In one of the earlier comments someone suggest to implement a short scene were the past of ava and mc is explained a bit better. And I already said that I love that idea and will create that. But I thought save it up for the next update because that will be another two days and.. for me a small small milestone. Because 10 playable days equals a huge ton of time invested in that game. So I want to make the next update a tiny bit special instead of just "Here guys two more days".
Not sure if the scene will happen on day9 or day10 but it will be in the next update and of course on any route.

One more thing

you should consider adding choices for. It just seems like it should only happen during

I also mentioned that I try to improve that. But hear me out. Let's stay on the mc eating out ava on the best friends route. I explained why in my opinion it still makes sense even on that route. What I did not mentioned but what could also be an leading factor to MCs decision eating her out is because he saw that picture of the guy Simon with Ava. But actually those are things I don't want to point out. The player should get his own thoughts. Like mc got a bit jealous and male brain wants to claim her now. Just for an example. Maybe also an bad example but I think you get the idea. Also I want to point at Firaxius comment.

But I am kinda sad that I did not came up with the idea explaining their relationship better already on day 1,2 or 3. And I am afraid that if I give to many choices to avoid Ava or any special moments with her that it will later on to difficult to bring her in again.

 

[CelestialRQ]

I enjoyed the game for what it is so far, could it be better ? sure, but you're actually trying.
Now I had an issue, where I get an error screen if I rename the MC to anything containing the letter G, had to copy/paste the name I wanted to be able to to put it ingame.

 

[Badboll]

And I appreciate it a lot specially the time you investing for the game, for your thoughts and so on. Written without showing emotions some my responses might look a bit harsh. But as you can see I read every single comment, I reply to over 90% of them. So feedback like yours is very important for me and honestly I love talking about my game. Probably like every dev.

I wrote my opinion to the eating out ava scene a few comments above. Please take a look at that.
In one of the earlier comments someone suggest to implement a short scene were the past of ava and mc is explained a bit better. And I already said that I love that idea and will create that. But I thought save it up for the next update because that will be another two days and.. for me a small small milestone. Because 10 playable days equals a huge ton of time invested in that game. So I want to make the next update a tiny bit special instead of just "Here guys two more days".
Not sure if the scene will happen on day9 or day10 but it will be in the next update and of course on any route.

One more thing


I also mentioned that I try to improve that. But hear me out. Let's stay on the mc eating out ava on the best friends route. I explained why in my opinion it still makes sense even on that route. What I did not mentioned but what could also be an leading factor to MCs decision eating her out is because he saw that picture of the guy Simon with Ava. But actually those are things I don't want to point out. The player should get his own thoughts. Like mc got a bit jealous and male brain wants to claim her now. Just for an example. Maybe also an bad example but I think you get the idea. Also I want to point at Firaxius comment.

But I am kinda sad that I did not came up with the idea explaining their relationship better already on day 1,2 or 3. And I am afraid that if I give to many choices to avoid Ava or any special moments with her that it will later on to difficult to bring her in again.

That's fair, I saw your reasoning above and I get your reasoning, but yes my main point of contention is the lack of context. You have a good place for the MC to mention it in the car with Lisa. That's where it probably should have been. Just a simple sentence when he talks about their relationship that they lost all their firsts to each other.
With that added context my disagreement disappears. Because that gives context to their relationship that otherwise the player would not be told about. No matter the route you are on.
When you do it or if you do it in a different way doesn't matter really. That's up to you.
The story is yours to tell, that's just a massive plot hole I felt needed to be addressed, to explain why someone would view it the way that other guy did as a very negative interaction. I just have 2 different saves one where I avoid ava and one where I don't. Of course I have a few more with different combinations of choices as well.
I look forward to everything else you come up with. It's not easy keeping track of everything and making the story cohesive when you have so many different routes and choices.
I prefer to just pick a route. Ava on/ntr off or Ava on/ntr on for example and I don't have to navigate choices to end up seeing everything. Makes things so much easier on both the player and the dev.
Not fully a kinetic novel but close.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I'm confused as to why MC has the avamad exchange on the path where he's been totally committed to her, this seems backwards.

Is it all supposed to be a dream sequence? It doesn't make sense, out of the blue she's angry (i mean I guess there's him changing her background to a dick but thats mild) - and taunting him about hooking up with simon. Not that I'd mind that in a different context evidenced by my sharing sig but that just felt really out of the blue and random.

 

[asahibito]

Shouldn't the Zuni choice below depend on the gohomeearly variable? Otherwise choosing it at this scene does not make sense. It seems the logic of this whole texting scene needs to be reworked. Probably don't need a choice menu but route according to variables.

    menu day4wheretogo:
        
        "Read Ava Message" if meetava1 == True:
            jump day4_2_avamessage #block of code to run
        "Read Zuni Message":
            jump day4_2_zunimessage #block of code to run