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buff

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"1K /m is nothing" alone is gold.
Agreed, that'd be a stupid thing to say. And I can't find anyone who said it. 1k/m definitely far from nothing, but it's not anything like a full-time job. The point I am making is that if a creator is a real grown-up with real grown-up bills, then he's probably working a full-time job in addition to the game creation because 1-2k per month is not anywhere near sufficient to raise a middle-class family. Sure, it's a HELL of a lot more than I made when I was 20, but when I was 20 my bills were only a few hundred a month I didn't need much.

Does LH deliver a lot slower than we'd like? Absofuckinglutely. It's frustrating, it's bullshit, and it is a good reason for people to *not* want to pay for the game. But it's *not* fraud, grift, or theft. Someone might figure $36/yr is worth it for 3 or 4 small updates. It all depends on how much they like the game and how important that three bucks a month is to them.

All I'm saying is criticize based on the actual problem, don't make up easily-refuted bullshit and complain about that. It just makes you sound immature, and turns the discussion from "If LH wants this game to be successful he should work harder!" to "Do randos on F95 have any concept of living expenses?", which does NOT help fix the problem.
 

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this guy...saying shit me being smol kiddo,then talk shit about going outside yadayada,while completely ignorant,that there are countries where 1K$ is above average and not everyone got mortgages and full family from the moment they are born,and yes,Europan Union is not a country.
 
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Does LH deliver a lot slower than we'd like? Absofuckinglutely. It's frustrating, it's bullshit, and it is a good reason for people to *not* want to pay for the game. But it's *not* fraud, grift, or theft. Someone might figure $36/yr is worth it for 3 or 4 small updates. It all depends on how much they like the game and how important that three bucks a month is to them.
Let's just think of it as amount of work, not as an annual salary. Even being very generous and saying that the "new" art and writing for a scene takes a full 40 hours, we're looking at probably six or seven of those a year. Let's say he takes home about $15k a year after fees and such. That comes to about $50/hour.

I personally think it takes much less time than that at this stage of production, since it's obviously that art assets are, in many cases, being reused with some mild modification. But even if we give him that huge amount of time, he's still getting paid extravagantly, especially by Eastern European standards, to deliver a trickle of content.

It's just a basic study of incentives: if people keep paying him to make this game regardless of the pace of updates, he has no incentive to actually finish up the game in a reasonable amount of time. If he does that, he has to go back to ground and do a ton of new scripting, design, art, etc. If he finds a way to keep making this game for years, as he has done, he can keep making a substantial amount of money for a small amount of work.
 
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Let's just think of it as amount of work, not as an annual salary. Even being very generous and saying that the "new" art and writing for a scene takes a full 40 hours, we're looking at probably six or seven of those a year. Let's say he takes home about $15k a year after fees and such. That comes to about $50/hour.

I personally think it takes much less time than that at this stage of production, since it's obviously that art assets are, in many cases, being reused with some mild modification. But even if we give him that huge amount of time, he's still getting paid extravagantly, especially by Eastern European standards, to deliver a trickle of content.

It's just a basic study of incentives: if people keep paying him to make this game regardless of the pace of updates, he has no incentive to actually finish up the game in a reasonable amount of time. If he does that, he has to go back to ground and do a ton of new scripting, design, art, etc. If he finds a way to keep making this game for years, as he has done, he can keep making a substantial amount of money for a small amount of work.
Can we please drop this subject, we are only interested in the game, not where he lives, how old he is, how many kids he may or may not have, so please drop it, it nerves completely.
 
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zqsbunny

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can some1 give me cheat version save file coz my old save file doesnt work on new one... i alr open all scene for all girl
 

legendppk

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I keep following this game in hopes of one day seeing in the changelogs/dev notes: Dev finally grew a pair; Mom and Sis roles have been restore.

Alas, that day will probably never come.
 

Hobo69

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I keep following this game in hopes of one day seeing in the changelogs/dev notes: Dev finally grew a pair; Mom and Sis roles have been restore.

Alas, that day will probably never come.
When it's finished it's much more feasible for him or a third party to release a mod or version to restore those roles. And it's not about balls, it's about keeping the income. Not a small part of the reason to develop this at all.
 

buff

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You're right, this would be 2 1/2 fulltime jobs for a lower middle class family living in rural Russia.
OK, that's a fair criticism. I wasn't thinking of that, I was basing it on the parts of the world I'm more familiar with. That being said, I think my point stands.
 

buff

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Can we please drop this subject, we are only interested in the game, not where he lives, how old he is, how many kids he may or may not have, so please drop it, it nerves completely.
Yeah, you're right. I'll make one more point, then I promise to shut up on this topic. (If someone else wants the last word, take it.)

I *do* support this guy on Patreon at a (low) level I find reasonable for what I get, and I don't want to see the game dropped. So I do feel like I have a vested interest in discouraging people from trying to actually *reduce* the Patreon support that LH gets. I know the intent is good-- "maybe if people drop support he'll feel pressured to work harder"-- but I've never really seen that work. A half-assed Dev generally quits a project when the revenue dwindles too far, and I don't want that to happen.
 
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