Woodstock_1983
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Game making 101. NEVER have loud sound and voice running at the same time. You play one and then the other.
hoshin0119
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Alabamajames123
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It seens will not be possible to pirate anymore,the player needs to login to patreon inside the game to play the game.
Yeah, this note on the update post:
The game now has a built in "Login with Patreon." You will be required to authenticate with Patreon in order to play the game. We did this to combat the overwhelming piracy of our games. The bonus content code is automatically applied based on your pledge.
The game now has a built in "Login with Patreon." You will be required to authenticate with Patreon in order to play the game. We did this to combat the overwhelming piracy of our games. The bonus content code is automatically applied based on your pledge.
I don't know the technicalities, but basically when you run a Ren'Py game you run an .exe, that loads the Ren'Py scripts.
You can unren the scripts, but the authentication 99.99% is in the .exe, so unless someone is skilled enough to decompile the .exe, and reading the assembly code find the login procedure and bypass it...
...extracting and decompiling the Ren'Py scripts is useless, because if the login fails it's the .exe itself that automatically quits.
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I guess that there's someone that can do it somewhere out there, but while bypassing a Ren'Py check is something 80% of us can do, tampering with an executable requires high skills.
And after it's done, well... It's not the original executable anymore: who knows if the cracker only cracked the login routine or also put some malware in it?
In the Nineties cracked executables were used as baits to spread malware.
Old timers like me will remember how many times we had to format the hard drive after visiting astalavista.box.sk
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devonY7
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LMAO . depending on how they have implemented it all that will really change is the update being delayed posted here for security reasons or the time of someone who is good at programming and reverse engineering . at best all that has to be done is edit the script file to remove the patreon check or at worst having to emulate whatever type of restriction/DRM they have put (can't be worse than a session key)
If the login were implemented in Ren'Py or Python, it would be relatively easy to bypass it.
But couldn't they have embedded in the executable we launch to launch the game?
If so, the only way to bypass it would be to disassemble the executable and make changes in the assembly code, am I right?
But while reverse engineering a Ren'Py or Python source code is relatively easy... Reverse engineering an assembly is quite hard.
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Triexes666
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I do not have a lot of experience with Ren'Py, but I am a developer and I am pretty sure that even if the login code is in the exe, you could just take the Ren'Py scripts and assets, copy them into a new Ren'Py project and just compile/package it again without the restrictions.
But I currently do not have a download for the restricted version so I can't test my theories. If anyone has a link so I can try some stuff please write me.
Edit: unless they encrypt the whole game of course but I have never seen someone do this with a Ren'Py game
TessxV
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lol F95 should do something about it, right? This forum is pirate yes, but it certainly gives a lot of exposure and visibility for a game to be supported on Patreon, SB, etc. I'm sure if it wasn't for this site many of us would never have discovered our favorite games, because who uses Patreon to explore new games... if not just to support the creators?
hoshin0119
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lol F95 should do something about it, right? This forum is pirate yes, but it certainly gives a lot of exposure and visibility for a game to be supported on Patreon, SB, etc. I'm sure if it wasn't for this site many of us would never have discovered our favorite games, because who uses Patreon to explore new games... if not just to support the creators?
Well, what you're saying is that playing for free promotes the game, leading to people supporting and enjoying it.
If that's what the developers actually want, I'll agree with you.
But do you really think that's what the developers want?
Take the Inceton Games Team, for example they clearly don't want that, which is why they've implemented security measures to prevent piracy.
Your argument just sounds like self-justification for playing the game for free, doesn't it?
devonY7
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look at this poll results from their patreon . if it was not for sites like this they would not be as big as they are rn .
they may not want it but they cant deny that it was good for them .
hoshin0119
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That's not the point. Even if piracy sites ended up benefiting them, the fact is, they clearly dislike it—otherwise, they wouldn’t have gone out of their way to implement these security measures to prevent illegal copying.
If they truly saw the benefits as a good thing, they wouldn’t have bothered implementing these security measures.
What matters is whether the developers want it or not. The rights to the game belong to them, and if they’re expressing that they don’t want piracy, why justify doing something they’ve explicitly said they dislike?
Think about it the other way around. You can’t deny that they don’t want piracy either. No matter how much they’ve grown, they’re expressing their dislike for illegal distribution through these security measures.
TessxV
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I say this because <I THINK> the ICETON team owes a lot to this site. Look at the picture of the reach of their games here and compare it to the reach of their social media posts, where they have just over 1k followers each. While the reach of their games here is not equivalent to the number of paying members they currently have, I'm pretty sure this site helped a lot in getting those members. My point is that the ICETON team wouldn't be what they are today if it wasn't for this site, and now that they've decided that they "don't need us anymore", and now with the Patreon Whit Login, the most affected will be the members of this site (who they owe the reach to), I just hope others don't start doing the same (although it's obvious they will). Come to think of it, it reminds me of politicians campaigning.
-Deepl
TessxV
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The point is, whether they like it or not, they owe a debt to the people (this pirate site).
hoshin0119
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Did they ever ask those piracy sites to upload their games for free as a form of promotion?
From the beginning, they never wanted this, nor did they intend to owe anyone anything.
Yet, you’re acting like they owe you something after forcing this situation onto them.
If someone gave you money you didn’t ask for and then claimed, “You owe me now,” would you accept that?
Would you find that reasonable?
Bro, no matter how you look at it, justifying such actions—even on piracy sites—is wrong.
If you’re going to enjoy someone else’s work illegally, shouldn’t you at least feel some shame?
TessxV
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XD bro what kind of stupid person wouldn't want free promotion? "there's no such thing as bad publicity". You act like they have made 0 profit with this site, when the numbers say otherwise. I'm relatively new to this site and don't know much about ICETON and its history, but looking at the numbers I dare say they wouldn't have half the subscribers they have today and it could apply to anyone, as the reach outside of here is very limited. But it's just an opinion, I don't expect to be right either and of course I could be wrong in saying that they wouldn't have half the subscribers they have today.
hoshin0119
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Bro, If the conversation goes on, it might end up hurting both of our feelings, so I’ll wrap it up here.
I don't intend to argue with you over this. It's just my opinion, and I'm not trying to force my thoughts on you.
Anyway, have a great day
TessxV
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