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peterppp

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Yeah! Because human artists never have issues with their artwork:
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And symmetry must always be held to the highest regard:
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Come on. Every time someone posts an issue they have with an Generative AI image - someone can easily post a hand drawn that is just as offputting, if not more.

Again, the problem with the image you shared isn't the AI, per se. It's that the person didn't do any proper revisions - just like the two hand drawn pieces I share in this post.
that pic was from one of the comics that was supposed to be examples of good ai stuff. you linked to that specific comic yourself. now you're saying it's bad.

so what if you can find bad stuff done by humans? that doesnt make ai stuff good. you and tanstaafl have been saying ai can do good stuff but you keep posting stuff that is bad. but you make excuses or move goalposts.

everytime someone tries to prove ai isnt crap, they end up proving it's crap. if you dont think so, good for you.
 

Ennoch

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I'm just gonna collect some more AI vids for my collection the meantime (y)
 

tanstaafl

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that pic was from one of the comics that was supposed to be examples of good ai stuff. you linked to that specific comic yourself. now you're saying it's bad.

so what if you can find bad stuff done by humans? that doesnt make ai stuff good. you and tanstaafl have been saying ai can do good stuff but you keep posting stuff that is bad. but you make excuses or move goalposts.

everytime someone tries to prove ai isnt crap, they end up proving it's crap. if you dont think so, good for you.
What, he didn't linked that, I linked to that here #67. And as for "the good AI stuff", I'm assuming that comic wasn't made in the last 6 months or so. AI imaging is still damn new and it's only been in the last half a year or so that good hands can be a fairly regular occurrence without steps being taken. And at no point did I claim any of the things I linked were "the good ai stuff" I claimed they were proof that ai was consistent enough to make flowing images in graphic novel format...digital phalanges issues not withstanding.
 

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What, he didn't linked that, I linked to that here #67. And as for "the good AI stuff", I'm assuming that comic wasn't made in the last 6 months or so. AI imaging is still damn new and it's only been in the last half a year or so that good hands can be a fairly regular occurrence without steps being taken. And at no point did I claim any of the things I linked were "the good ai stuff" I claimed they were proof that ai was consistent enough to make flowing images in graphic novel format...digital phalanges issues not withstanding.
he linked to two of the comics from that page, one of which the pic i posted was taken from

consistent but crap? if it isn't consistent and good, what use is it?

fingers are one thing ai struggles with but something else i've noticed lately is teeth in open mouths which i've seen slip past quality checks in even professional publications (it made me mad to see it in one of the physical magazines i pay for). it's weird when the mouth looks like that of a 90 year old with hardly any teeth left. what the hell do they train these on? :LOL:
 

tanstaafl

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he linked to two of the comics from that page, one of which the pic i posted was taken from
Ah, 2nd hand linkage then, gotcha.
consistent but crap? if it isn't consistent and good, what use is it?
The style of the comics was fine, but as I said, probably from before good digital phalanges were easily attained. At that point the only way to get them was to make picture after picture after picture until one turned out useful. And when making enough pictures for a stylized graphic novel, I'm sure corners were cut, lol.
 

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Ah, 2nd hand linkage then, gotcha.

The style of the comics was fine, but as I said, probably from before good digital phalanges were easily attained. At that point the only way to get them was to make picture after picture after picture until one turned out useful. And when making enough pictures for a stylized graphic novel, I'm sure corners were cut, lol.
i believe photoshop has existed since many years. cutting corners is an excuse that doesnt make them look less like crap
 

tanstaafl

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i believe photoshop has existed since many years. cutting corners is an excuse that doesnt make them look less like crap
I don't disagree, but you're arguing with a brick wall right now. I said already I wasn't looking for perfect ai art, I was looking for comic books and graphic novels...and, *points up* there it is!
 

rossanna

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Not AI though, tsk.
Ah yes, the site that cant be accessed, and you wont provide me an alternate site
that pic was from one of the comics that was supposed to be examples of good ai stuff. you linked to that specific comic yourself. now you're saying it's bad.

so what if you can find bad stuff done by humans? that doesnt make ai stuff good. you and tanstaafl have been saying ai can do good stuff but you keep posting stuff that is bad. but you make excuses or move goalposts.

everytime someone tries to prove ai isnt crap, they end up proving it's crap. if you dont think so, good for you.
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..rob liefield...he did that massive tits cap merica art....
...and a lot of other things...
...legit one of the most suceffull comic artists ever.....despite the fact he sucked at anatomy.....
...super nice dude tho.....talked to him a couple times....
Never said that humans cant make garbage. Just that ai automatically makes garbage unless you're making a still single image or a few second animation.
i'm not impressed. and i wont be until ai can make humans that aren't disfigured in some way.
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how many fingers is that? if you put that pic inside a comic, it's not high quality.
Nah, ai can make a single picture that's ok, but the second you try to make more than 5 it goes to shit.

Not realistic enough. While I get a nice animation when I turn the pages, no matter how hard I "pull", the pages won't tear.
1 out of 10 for immersion. :HideThePain:
I want you to look at the old guy Through the comic strip. His face literally changes in every single fucking panel including changing art styles at some point.
 

AbyssGames

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Ah yes, the site that cant be accessed, and you wont provide me an alternate site



Never said that humans cant make garbage. Just that ai automatically makes garbage unless you're making a still single image or a few second animation.

Nah, ai can make a single picture that's ok, but the second you try to make more than 5 it goes to shit.


I want you to look at the old guy Through the comic strip. His face literally changes in every single fucking panel including changing art styles at some point.
Sorry you don't like AI. Some creators, including myself spend countless hours even on a single image to make it look good and consistent. You don't have to like AI, it's completely okay for you to hate it and want nothing to do with it, but don't force your view of the world on everyone else. We all have different standards.

I don't like horror movies, so does that mean that all cinemas in the world should stop having horror movies in their catalogue? No. The choice is yours to just not watch them. Same thing with AI on this site. There is a built in filter, you can customize the entire game list by your own preferences!
 

icesavage

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Never said that humans cant make garbage. Just that ai automatically makes garbage unless you're making a still single image or a few second animation.

Nah, ai can make a single picture that's ok, but the second you try to make more than 5 it goes to shit.

AI images have to be curated much like anything else. You, Rossanna, don't know what you are doing, so naturally, it is going to look like shit if you attempt to do it. People who actually learn how to use AI like any other tool can make it look actually good. Generate 100 AI images to get that one image that is going to be used in the comic or game. We actually do know what we are doing. Thus, creating a narrative like a comic with consistant characters is actually possible. Time consuming if you are a perfectionist, but very possible. It isnt much different then using distinct characters in DAZ 3D or Honey Select or what ever other pre-made 3d modeling program is used.

Herminone Granger is used a lot by DAZ 3D game devs for the model of one of their characters. Just consider Lust Academy. It is rather easy to create an AI model and do the same.

Oh and being down is definitely on your end and not ours. Because it works just fine for me.
 

rossanna

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Sorry you don't like AI. Some creators, including myself spend countless hours even on a single image to make it look good and consistent. You don't have to like AI, it's completely okay for you to hate it and want nothing to do with it, but don't force your view of the world on everyone else. We all have different standards.

I don't like horror movies, so does that mean that all cinemas in the world should stop having horror movies in their catalogue? No. The choice is yours to just not watch them. Same thing with AI on this site. There is a built in filter, you can customize the entire game list by your own preferences!
K you make a single image. Now make another that flows from that single image. Do that 10 times and you got a comic strip which I've yet to see a good one of that's Ai. Its like you ppl don't understand that I fucking said "Yes ai can make a decent still single image", but it cant continue making decent images that continues a story Like games that aren't shit and comics that aren't shit need. Went back and looked at everything that's been given to me and its all shit. Just ALL OF IT. Even when the ai was told to make it so low quality to hide its shitness, you can still see inconsistencies that, Objectively speaking, make it shit. Give me an ai comic ill and ill tell you why its objectively bad.

AI images have to be curated much like anything else. You, Rossanna, don't know what you are doing, so naturally, it is going to look like shit if you attempt to do it. People who actually learn how to use AI like any other tool can make it look actually good. Generate 100 AI images to get that one image that is going to be used in the comic or game. We actually do know what we are doing. Thus, creating a narrative like a comic with consistant characters is actually possible. Time consuming if you are a perfectionist, but very possible. It isnt much different then using distinct characters in DAZ 3D or Honey Select or what ever other pre-made 3d modeling program is used.

Herminone Granger is used a lot by DAZ 3D game devs for the model of one of their characters. Just consider Lust Academy. It is rather easy to create an AI model and do the same.

Oh and being down is definitely on your end and not ours. Because it works just fine for me.
I know how ai works. I also know that yes you can make a single image that's fine as I've repeated multiple fucking times now, but the second you try to continue that scene with more images than 5 its just goes to shit. Ive gotten on another computer and now I can access it. Now point out any one of those comics that you think is good. Just 1 you know in your heart of hearts that its good, cause I'm not doing more than 1, and ill point out why it is objectively trash.
 

AbyssGames

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K you make a single image. Now make another that flows from that single image. Do that 10 times and you got a comic strip which I've yet to see a good one of that's Ai. Its like you ppl don't understand that I fucking said "Yes ai can make a decent still single image", but it cant continue making decent images that continues a story Like games that aren't shit and comics that aren't shit need. Went back and looked at everything that's been given to me and its all shit. Just ALL OF IT. Even when the ai was told to make it so low quality to hide its shitness, you can still see inconsistencies that, Objectively speaking, make it shit. Give me an ai comic ill and ill tell you why its objectively bad.


I know how ai works. I also know that yes you can make a single image that's fine as I've repeated multiple fucking times now, but the second you try to continue that scene with more images than 5 its just goes to shit. Ive gotten on another computer and now I can access it. Now point out any one of those comics that you think is good. Just 1 you know in your heart of hearts that its good, cause I'm not doing more than 1, and ill point out why it is objectively trash.
I'd love to show you some examples of my latest chapter, but unfortunately it isn't public yet so I don't want to spoil anything, but once it does, I hope I can DM you with some examples in my game. I pay animators to make animations (I personally dislike AI anims). And for images, I'll DM you a screenshot and a video of the workflow.
 

rossanna

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I'd love to show you some examples of my latest chapter, but unfortunately it isn't public yet so I don't want to spoil anything, but once it does, I hope I can DM you with some examples in my game. I pay animators to make animations (I personally dislike AI anims). And for images, I'll DM you a screenshot and a video of the workflow.
Not what I asked for, not going to prove anything, and how does that help your argument here?
 

icesavage

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I know how ai works. I also know that yes you can make a single image that's fine as I've repeated multiple fucking times now, but the second you try to continue that scene with more images than 5 its just goes to shit. Ive gotten on another computer and now I can access it. Now point out any one of those comics that you think is good. Just 1 you know in your heart of hearts that its good, cause I'm not doing more than 1, and ill point out why it is objectively trash.
What is good? What is bad? These definitions are so devoid of any meaning. Just you saying something is bad, doesnt make it so. The Godfather may be consider the best movie ever made but it still only has a 9.2 IMDB rating and 97% fresh on RottenTomato. Taste is arbitrary.

What is the difference between the fake Vogue Glamour shot that has been edited and photo-shopped to hell and back versus an AI picture? Both are no longer real. Does that fact that a person touched up her boobs and ass by hand make a difference? Newsflash, Porn movies arent 'real' either and the girl definitely faked her orgasm. Also the interest and 'love' the stripper is showing you is definitely Fake.

So what is "real"? It is all just Fantasy. I m okay if my fantasy is made with AI art. It is as 'un-real' as any other porn out there.

You dont like AI art. Fine. Use a the damn filter and get on with it.

You will not change the settings. People with better arguements have tried.