HTML Masters of Raana [v0.8.3.8 public] [GrimDark]

[tooldev]

This now becomes philosophical about where the divide is between modding and cheating. And I always fall on the side of let people play how they want to play. I never understood this attitude about "cheating" in single player games. Why do you care if someone circumvents a mechanic in THEIR game?

Also people "cheat" in different ways. Some people cheat to get more character points or give themselves more starting cash. Who cares? Some people cheat to get more influence and still others cheat to give themselves more character points for character creation. And they don't cheat in other ways.

Other people will make a character legit but then cheat to get the perfect servant or slave because it is a fantasy of their or they just want X slave for Y reason. Why does it matter?

If this was a multiplayer game or had some kind of leaderboard based on single player play then you'd have a point but it isn't.
My advice is let people play how they want to play. You'll have less stress and enjoy life more when you stop worrying what other people are doing and just worry about what you do.

Who says I care? I was simply wondering about the amount of requests of that kind in this thread. Dont twist my words into something that was never said.

 

[Crimson Fire]

Who says I care? I was simply wondering about the amount of requests of that kind in this thread. Dont twist my words into something that was never said.

Riiiiggghhht you don't care soooo much you questioned the quality of the game, I have to assume without playing otherwise you would have definitely said you didn't like A,B & C without referencing people looking for tweaks and cheats. I mean you don't care so much you said and I quote, "I believe there is a distinct difference between modding and cheating," because people who don't care about a topic make definitive statements like this.

You might be able to convince other people you don't care but anyone paying attention knows you were virtue signaling your position of how you are "oh so above all this cheating," as you clutch your pearls.

 

[Crimson Fire]

i hope we can become the king instead of aria oneday, thats why i try to distance myself from her for now in fear of triggering her quest.

also hearing some of this update change some items image or picture, i think it would be nice to have the old version as mod pack for ppl that like the older version of it or curious what it look like.

I don't know if that would ever be in the cards. If it is I'd suggest just making a fork save. Make a save to disk put it in a folder labelled "MoR King" And wait for the content, if it every arrives. Then you can play the game based on the current content. I think you are losing out of the game's current content if you refuse to explore on the off chance you have an ending in the future you want.

having the fork save preserves you game in its current state to exploit that ending should it ever be created without forcing you to stay away from other possible choices. The save to disk means you are less likely to accidently delete it when it is in the program's save games. The folder it resides in is the "name" of the file to identify it in the future when you forget what it was for.

 

[Bonercat]

i do have separate save but still aria premise made me stay away eitherway, i dont want to forge crime paperwork for my indenture slave, and i dont want to give her the power if i cant have it either.

 

[khumak]

I was not referring to modding, but the sheer amount of requests for 'code to change this or that...'. I believe there is a distinct difference between modding and cheating. A mod adds something that isnt there in the first place or makes something behave different, if it already exists. Cheating tries to circumvent a mechanic to achieve a certain result.

For a multiplayer game I could see a distinction but not for a single player game. When I mod a game it's to make it more fun. It doesn't really matter whether that means adding some new feature the base game didn't have or removing something that IS in the game that I don't find to be fun. The whole point of a game is to have fun. That's what makes modding so great. I frequently mod my games to be harder. I also frequently mod my games to change something I don't like, which sometimes makes it easier.

If one player has more fun by making the game even more difficult, great. Another person might have more fun by modding himself to godlike stats. Another might be more interested in shoehorning a custom character they made themself into the game. For a single player game all of those things are legit reasons to mod. For a multiplayer game it's different because modding myself to godlike stats gives me an unfair advantage over a player who didn't do that. So to me that's when modding becomes cheating.

And what about starting options? Many of the options available when you create your character give you a massive advantage over people who don't pick that option. Does that mean I'm cheating if I pick any beneficial options? At some point the distinction just becomes meaningless. For a single player game the only wrong way to play is if you're not having fun. A pretty significant percentage of MOR players make character creation choices specifically designed to eliminate the grind for 1 or 2 particular stats that they don't find it enjoyable to grind out (one of the most common being intelligence).

 

[bolondro2]

This is what he's talking about taking so long. Have you done this yet? View attachment 4263938

Of course. I was done by day 180-200 ( I can not be more precise). Without this there are no way that I get the Mordecainst countercoup at Procoms, or the Dingy raiders I was talking about...

 

[bolondro2]

So I've been curious with everyone talking about Aria's questline. It seems like it should be very involved and rewarding, with a bunch of unique slaves and books, but it states in her backstory that her goal in becoming chancellor is to end slavery and bring equality to Ikkaros. How does that not just end with the dissolution of your entire household?

It depends of how you gameplay style is. I would have no problem at all freeing all my slaves and having them as indetured servants. My household would stay very fine.

 

[vanpett]

The nightly wrool cat event that ought to raise my willpower by +2 doesn't do that. It stays at 97. Smells like a bug to me.

 

[tooldev]

Riiiiggghhht you don't care soooo much you questioned the quality of the game, I have to assume without playing otherwise you would have definitely said you didn't like A,B & C without referencing people looking for tweaks and cheats. I mean you don't care so much you said and I quote, "I believe there is a distinct difference between modding and cheating," because people who don't care about a topic make definitive statements like this.

You might be able to convince other people you don't care but anyone paying attention knows you were virtue signaling your position of how you are "oh so above all this cheating," as you clutch your pearls.

Again - i dont care how one plays the game. My question has nothing to do with any individuals choice. I am not sure why you are so sensitive and feel attacked personally, but you do you. You make assumptions instead of reading obviously, since my postings here have always been critical of some stuff and my approach has always be to condemn playing it a certain way only. It is why I wrote that guide for noobs to begin with.

I am not stepping away from a verbal fight if that is what you are after, but maybe choose a topic that you can win.

 

[tooldev]

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And what about starting options? Many of the options available when you create your character give you a massive advantage over people who don't pick that option. Does that mean I'm cheating if I pick any beneficial options? At some point the distinction just becomes meaningless. For a single player game the only wrong way to play is if you're not having fun. A pretty significant percentage of MOR players make character creation choices specifically designed to eliminate the grind for 1 or 2 particular stats that they don't find it enjoyable to grind out (one of the most common being intelligence).

No you dont cheat since it is an option already provided by the game and the mechanics are build to react appropriately as with a different start option. I dont care about the fun part, as that is highly subjective which is why i made my basis for the question clear by defining it.
Simple example: If I pour myself a 100 million via sugarcube since it isnt any of the start options, I cheat myself to it. There is no judging, but an important technical difference here.

 

[Clemency]

So I've been curious with everyone talking about Aria's questline. It seems like it should be very involved and rewarding, with a bunch of unique slaves and books, but it states in her backstory that her goal in becoming chancellor is to end slavery and bring equality to Ikkaros. How does that not just end with the dissolution of your entire household?

Her effect on the Liberty stat of Ikaanos, the only stat affecting the institution of slavery, is tied to her corruption stat. If she has very low corruption, she can trigger Liberty raising events but very very rarely to be honest to matter. And if she has around 50+ corruption, she basically never triggers that.

Do not lower her Willpower like the angry guy suggested. A low willpower Aria tend to constantly fails her events.

 

[tsap]

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Do not lower her Willpower like the angry guy suggested. A low willpower Aria tend to constantly fails her events.

Yeah. The tendency to fail is definitely there when Aria's willpower is low, but that doesn't mean that the opposite tendency to win would have totally vanished. My statistical sampling is not large enough to make valid statements, but so far the four times I've had very weak willed Aria as chancellor point to a kind of balance. There ARE scandals (senate questions Aria's weak mind and her abilities once and again), but she still has her adversaries publicly exterminated, bans corrupted literature, allows new villages to be established (prosperity rises) starts new school for kids and so on.
In my game she still has her wits, that little weasel - excuse me, tactical genius - Ezra Waylen as marshal and my MC:s full support. She isn't forsaken and even with her quite expected fails she is faring (IMO) better than the old monster before her.

 

[Crimson Fire]

Again - i dont care how one plays the game. My question has nothing to do with any individuals choice. I am not sure why you are so sensitive and feel attacked personally, but you do you. You make assumptions instead of reading obviously, since my postings here have always been critical of some stuff and my approach has always be to condemn playing it a certain way only. It is why I wrote that guide for noobs to begin with.

I am not stepping away from a verbal fight if that is what you are after, but maybe choose a topic that you can win.

So let me get this straight... You so don't care about people cheating you started the topic questioning the quality of the game. Made the distinction between mods and cheats. Insist twice now that you don't care! While saying and i quote, "..my approach has always be to condemn playing it a certain way..." Yeah people who don't care ALWAYS take a stance and condemn playing a game a "certain way." You actually have to care enough to waste time condemning people. but the kicker for me is the "I am not stepping away from a verbal fight..." 'i don't care but i will fight you over this topic and condemn people because you know I don't care.' utterly convincing!

Well after your master oratory skills have been employed I am beyond convinced you don't care. I mean you said so, it must be true. right?

 

[tooldev]

So let me get this straight... You so don't care about people cheating you started the topic questioning the quality of the game. Made the distinction between mods and cheats. Insist twice now that you don't care! While saying and i quote, "..my approach has always be to condemn playing it a certain way..." Yeah people who don't care ALWAYS take a stance and condemn playing a game a "certain way." You actually have to care enough to waste time condemning people. but the kicker for me is the "I am not stepping away from a verbal fight..." 'i don't care but i will fight you over this topic and condemn people because you know I don't care.' utterly convincing!

Well after your master oratory skills have been employed I am beyond convinced you don't care. I mean you said so, it must be true. right?

My job is not to change your 'believe' but to make my point about my own argument.

I started writing the guide since the game itself is/was a mess in terms of properly informing the player about certain things. This is the only part I care about since it influences which information is needed in the guide to help a player. A guide is as neutral as possible, different to a walkthrough that aims to lead a player via specific steps to a goal. So in light of that definition I cannot care about how any player plays the game in the end but I have to care about what is needed to actually achieve certain things in-game. If those are almost impossible to achieve without cheating it is relevant for my guide.

 

[oldgamesnewcontent]

For a multiplayer game I could see a distinction but not for a single player game. When I mod a game it's to make it more fun.

I have a friend who feels that doing anything the dev didn't want you to do, even if it is possible in an older version of the game and the dev just didn't notice it, is wrong.

To me, it is always right to make your play experience be the way you want it to be. The dev makes the foundation. I am the one who has to experience playing.

"Cheating" is only a real thing if you are violating someone else. I am not violating anyone by having my fun.

Edit for example: All of my NPCs in MoR are cleared of crimes and free. Probably that isn't what most people would think is the normal way to play, but it is what I want. To make that reasonable, I modified the game to make it not a pain in the ass to do my way. I also have never sold anyone or had anyone be a prostitute or had anyone be a floor crawler. And I got rid of the starting male mercenaries ASAP and don't do business with criminals and assholes unless the game forces it. This is what is fun for me for MoR (I don't play all games this way). Other people can do what they want.

 

[khumak]

I have a friend who feels that doing anything the dev didn't want you to do, even if it is possible in an older version of the game and the dev just didn't notice it, is wrong.

To me, it is always right to make your play experience be the way you want it to be. The dev makes the foundation. I am the one who has to experience playing.

"Cheating" is only a real thing if you are violating someone else. I am not violating anyone by having my fun.

Edit for example: All of my NPCs in MoR are cleared of crimes and free. Probably that isn't what most people would think is the normal way to play, but it is what I want. To make that reasonable, I modified the game to make it not a pain in the ass to do my way. I also have never sold anyone or had anyone be a prostitute or had anyone be a floor crawler. And I got rid of the starting male mercenaries ASAP and don't do business with criminals and assholes unless the game forces it. This is what is fun for me for MoR (I don't play all games this way). Other people can do what they want.

Yeah in the case of MOR, Grim considers the "intended" start to be Rise from the Ashes with Ironman, Grimdark level, and Dying World active. I have played games starting from that point but the grind and the lack of useability of the unique characters for certain aspects of the game under those settings is not fun to me. I've also played games that add both pacifist and stim allergy to the above mix to make it even harder. So while I do pretty much always play with Grimdark and Dying World active, I don't play with Ironman enabled, and I usually don't do a Rise from the Ashes start either. I know plenty of people who find the low starting prosperity from Dying World to be annoying and thus don't use that option.

So by some people's recent posts on the subject, the vast majority of players are "cheating" just by using an enhanced start and not enabling Ironman. But again, for a single player game cheating doesn't really have any meaning. Whatever is fun for you is fine unless it degrades someone else's experience. But my game doesn't affect your game so there's literally no way for me to cheat that would have any effect on someone else.

Another pet peeve of mine is any time I pick up a unique character and they have zero traits. To me that is unacceptable so I'm going to save edit and give them at least 1 or 2 traits just so they feel more unique. It doesn't even have to be a useful one. I might give them something like size queen and daddy issues despite my character usually being 18 (so Daddy Issues provides no benefit).

 

[Take_it_eazy_Bobby]

Any way i can become emperor of Ikaanos

 

[OneMoreZoner]

Any way i can become emperor of Ikaanos

The closest you can come to this goal as of v0837 is if you complete the main quest (New World Order) and install low-willpower, high-affection (and optionally high-corruption) Aria as chancellor of the Third Republic.

This basically means that the new leader of Ikaanos is both figuratively and literally your bitch.

Have fun!

Other game endings are currently WIP

 

[bolondro2]

BTW, sometimes the "secretive" trait can be a real pain in the ass. In my current run, both Trulls and Cassius are secretive. You can not extract any secret from this two beasts, at least not without red hot irons (and the game don´t allow it) and this have screwed my usual combat line up royally. I would have to wait till have access to Palace and buy a couple of whipping pills,

Till them, they are working at the workshops. Well, that will give the good old Doyle a second wind...

Yeah, that is the primary problem with Secretive. I have not encountered that problem since I have not started a new account but a lot of new accounts run into that particular problem. There are workarounds but it is not intuitive.
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The magic pill don´t remove the secretive. And then I thought in using the Mindmancer, that lowers the willpower by 70, letting the task of extracting the secret as something manageable. But there are a problem, Mindmancer convert his brain in melted cheese, and I need to train them in medicine in order to use the combat stims.

There are the chance of using Mindmancer in the other, ordinary guys. But at 6000 of influence per dose, it would be a big delay in getting this couple in my combat team

 

[Bonercat]

Any way i can become emperor of Ikaanos

so far we can only be kingmaker or queenmaker, hopefully dev can implemented it someday or maybe through modding.

or if you mean to ask how to overthrown the current regime and become the shadow government or queenmaker then search aria quest line, since i dont take her so i dont know what else to do.