Krashkal

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Could we maybe at least keep the latest T4 version up instead of overwriting the DL with something newer but of lower access-value? At least people could grab the Quests and start with the paywalled traits, then switch to the newer version. Even if that sucks right now with the last T4 that was available predating the beauty-attribute crap (not a fan, cha is too hard to farm and taxes you during character creation)
Damn, if only Grim would make this buyable. I'd pay for access, but I am not 'renting'. FOMO-tactics are one of the main reasons to pirate.
 
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HansFranz87

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Just one data point, but putting ten of my goldwalkers in my tavern (in upgraded rooms) actually DROPPED my net daily income. I've pressed on in hopes that a higher rep tavern will make it worth it, but unless there's a step change near 1,000 I don't think it will. With 18 people committed including the prostitutes the tavern really isn't looking like good value.
I feel like the tavern/brothel is balanced around having more slots for sluts. Since you can only have 8-9(?) people work in a workshop. But with the mines, the fort and so on i normally have enough places to put my slaves. I feel like Escorts should earn alot more than they do right now. A Slave worth 40k shouldnt earn as much as a slave worth next to nothing.
 

Zarkhy

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I feel like Escorts should earn alot more than they do right now. A Slave worth 40k shouldnt earn as much as a slave worth next to nothing.
Well, The type of service isn't the only thing that affects Prostitution (Goldwalker) income. High affection (Amiable+?), high corruption (40+ and 80+) and high oral skill (don't remember) each add 10 per day in income. Might've been one more factor I'm forgetting.

By the time the worthless slave has her skills at the same level as that 40k slave, she's not gonna be so worthless anymore.

EDIT: The last factor was of course high Charisma, 60+.

And the income is affected by overall city corruption, but that affects everyone.
 
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sangrenord

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(not a fan, cha is too hard to farm and taxes you during character creation)
Eh? Were it not for the 2 hour limit on seduction phase, you could max out cha overnight. Caress-caress-kiss.

It's hard to farm for npcs, but I assume you refer to the mc.
 

Krashkal

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Eh? Were it not for the 2 hour limit on seduction phase, you could max out cha overnight. Caress-caress-kiss.

It's hard to farm for npcs, but I assume you refer to the mc.
Are you f5-ing after every try? because I would not consider the INTENDED chances on those events as anything more than a nice bonus, and yes, I view other stuff that is only trainable through such low chance methods in adequate amounts as equally flawed (looking at you, Kasey)
 

sangrenord

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Are you f5-ing after every try?
It's $skillroll lte 5, which is not that little. In practice, I could've sworn it happens on every 3rd-4th attempt. What diceroll have you enabled in options? I've noticed 5d20 is rather hampering for the rolls that need extreme values.
 

sangrenord

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Uh... what's up with medicine skill, anyway? Are we seriously expected to bring the likes of Caitlin, Eve and Julie to fight a 8 feet tall cannibal savage instead of an actual combat team? I can't see how this combat can be won without abusing combat stimpacks, and there's literally no way to raise medicine to the necessary 60 unless you're born with it.
 

Zarkhy

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Uh... what's up with medicine skill, anyway? Are we seriously expected to bring the likes of Caitlin, Eve and Julie to fight a 8 feet tall cannibal savage instead of an actual combat team? I can't see how this combat can be won without abusing combat stimpacks, and there's literally no way to raise medicine to the necessary 60 unless you're born with it.
You the player can raise Medicine by reading books and using med kits after combat.

Everyone else can be educated by you, or a high Medicine Educator.
 

Lorion2k20

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and there's literally no way to raise medicine to the necessary 60 unless you're born with it.
Actually there is. Reviving knocked out companions has a 33%(?) chance to raise MCs medicine skill by one point up to 90.
Reading books gives 40+ skill points. So even if you start at 0 you can raise your skill so Doctor's Kits are useable. Even though not necessary cause "Stabilze" should have the same 33% chance.

If you want to grind it: get some low health slaves, assign them as followers and let them get knocked out during combat. Nets you 4 chances to raise your skill after each fight.
 
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sangrenord

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But that's counterintuitive to the point of absurd. Past the few starting weeks, your A-team never gets knocked out except in a couple of particularly hard boss battles. Using some fodder instead and getting them downed in order to train medicine on them? There is grind, and then there is utter nonsense. And without it, even with all the books you're still stuck well below 60.

Using high medicine slaves as educators makes more sense, but Eve only comes very late in the game, and Julie and Caitlin aren't very good. Either way, that means you gotta start preparing for Dengi invasion for like in a year in advance, and not in a way anyone would find sensible, but by making your A-team expert doctors instead :rolleyes:
 

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with the last T4 that was available predating the beauty-attribute crap (not a fan, cha is too hard to farm and taxes you during character creation)
Isn't it better? You only have to spend points on Charm and when you update to the newest version, your Beauty and Charisma is exactly your Charm level before (well, Beauty has a cap of 90 so it will get reduced to 90 without Attractive).
Using high medicine slaves as educators makes more sense
The good news is that some of the best combat NPCs start with around 50 Medicine. So you are almost there. The bad news is that Paragons cannot be placed under Educators. So it is mostly Cassius that you can max that way.
 
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Lorion2k20

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And without it, even with all the books you're still stuck well below 60.
Just checked in the game cause I *never* had an issue to raise my MCs medicine to at least 60.

Minimum skill you start with is 10. Books add between 43 and 48 points. Brainy trait adds another total of 9 points.

So 53 medicine is the lowest skill an unlucky MC without Brainy trait and F5-scumming can have.

7 more points in worst case scenario which should come naturally through reviving knocked out companions in the early game especially when on average you need even less.
 

sangrenord

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I had 55 by the end. I only had to revive one or two companions like twice in the entire game. Was I playing it wrong? :rolleyes:
 

sangrenord

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Well, thanks for helping me no longer feel any guilt over debugging medicine to the values I wanted. For every bad design, there is a good cheat.
 

HansFranz87

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Well, The type of service isn't the only thing that affects Prostitution (Goldwalker) income. High affection (Amiable+?), high corruption (40+ and 80+) and high oral skill (don't remember) each add 10 per day in income. Might've been one more factor I'm forgetting.

By the time the worthless slave has her skills at the same level as that 40k slave, she's not gonna be so worthless anymore.

EDIT: The last factor was of course high Charisma, 60+.

And the income is affected by overall city corruption, but that affects everyone.

Well, like i said. You can have a whore up in 1-2 days. Or train a slave for years. The difference in money income isnt really noticable.
 

autizboyz

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Question about clea liberated specifically about the distrust, if let's say I enslaved someone, and turn that person who I enslave to a servant, does it still count as 'enslavement' for clea distrust? Or is it revert back?
 
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