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I can't remember what I read at this point, but I thought in the dinner scene it was implied Marina and James had been masquerading as husband and wife for a while now or maybe just in a serious relationship. Maybe I am confused, but how would Marina forget about that and ask Elena how she knew about James?? If I go off my memory of events; to me it made sense that Elena would jump to this, as I expect everything in this story to be forced for the same things everyone is stating about this story.
We are seeing a flashback right now. The dinner party where Marina introduces James to Nikos and 'Elena' happens the next night. And at the dinner party, it's strongly implied that Marina is putting on an act, and Nikos, Eva, and Sofia are just playing along. They know James isn't really her husband.
 

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An ordinary guy found in a bar would need to be in just the right life/job/financial situation to get involved in this. Whether fully informed about the situation by Marina or not, if James isn't motivated by his job or money, he would have to really be a selfless hero to pretend to be Marina's husband or just a lovesick fool.
Don't forget about horny. We laugh a lot about some of these feminization stories where the guy starts the path out of thinking they can get into some woman's pants. But frankly: I've known plenty of dumb guys that have done incredibly stupid things just because they think they'd have a shot at getting their dick wet. If all James knows is "Hot girl wants me to pretend to be her Husband because she's being harassed", I think horniness is more than a sufficient motivation. Hell, the whole "pretend to be her husband" angle might make it so that he thinks sex is even more possibly on the table.
 
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Don't forget about horny. We laugh a lot about some of these feminization stories where the guy starts the path out of thinking they can get into some woman's pants. But frankly: I've known plenty of dumb guys that have done incredibly stupid things just because they think they'd have a shot at getting their dick wet. If all James knows is "Hot girl wants me to pretend to be her Husband because she's being harassed", I think horniness is more than a sufficient motivation. Hell, the whole "pretend to be her husband" angle might make it so that he thinks sex is even more possibly on the table.
If watching JAV as taught me anything, this is not even fiction lol.
 

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I really don't know what to make of Andrew referring to James as Marina's husband and asking her if she loves him. I had previously assumed that Marina and James just pretended to be married to get Gjoka to fuck off. You'd think that Andrew would make the same assumption. The fact that he immediately jumps to "do you love him?" hints at much deeper problems in their marriage that we don't know about yet. She was only on Crete for a few days, how is she going to fall in love with someone she just met? Or does Andrew suspect that she's known James for longer than they've been in Greece? Does he know something we don't?
I'm not sure the sole explanation for Andrew/Elena jumping to the "do you love him" question is that there are deeper problems in their marriage. It could be as simple as insecurity on Andrews part. We don't know Marina truly is in love with James. All we know is that ElenAndrew thinks she's in love with James.

Ask yourself this: how does Elena know about James? Marina and James meet each other in an empty bar in Crete, with only the bartender and the bald guy there. The bar only just opened 10 minutes before Marina orders her first drink and they may have been there all night, so plenty of people could have seen her there. But someone had to overhear them, know both Marina and the name of James and somehow that information travels to Elena.
So, who told Elena?

Is it Seferi? Is the person who phoned Seferi at the end of chapter 12 James, to tell him he's made contact with Marina? Has Elena been in contact with Seferi, who has driven her crazy with jealousy and is her jealousy driving her away from Marina and into the arms of a person who does love her, even if the person he loves is Elena?
 
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I'm not sure the sole explanation for Andrew/Elena jumping to the "do you love him" question is that there are deeper problems in their marriage. It could be as simple as insecurity on Andrews part. We don't know Marina truly is in love with James. All we know is that ElenAndrew thinks she's in love with James.

Ask yourself this: how does Elena know about James? Marina and James meet each other in an empty bar in Crete, with only the bartender and the bald guy there. The bar only just opened 10 minutes before Marina orders her first drink and they may have been there all night, so plenty of people could have seen her there. But someone had to overhear them, know both Marina and the name of James and somehow that information travels to Elena.
So, who told Elena?

Is it Seferi? Is the person who phoned Seferi at the end of chapter 12 James, to tell him he's made contact with Marina? Has Elena been in contact with Seferi, who has driven her crazy with jealousy and is her jealousy driving her away from Marina and into the arms of a person who does love her, even if the person he loves is Elena?
I remember, at the time of reading, assuming it was just an old acquaintance and with what we know now, and ex that maybe Marina talked about often or something when Elena and her first started dating etc... James just happens to be sliding back in at the right time and taking advantage of the situation to get back with her. Maybe James knows something they both don't.
 

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It could be as simple as insecurity on Andrews part.
Insecurities, and also overall paranoia as to what's "real". I mean at this point, it wouldn't be unreasonable for a person in Andrew's situation to be questioning everything they thought they knew. Consider (besides being dressed up as part of this weird imitation scheme) you think you're a normal guy. One day, you wake up with breasts, vocal surgery, and have been undergone srs. You're missing parts of your memory, and you're told that dangerous people are after your family, and are told in seeming definitive terms that your wife is apparently married to another man, and despite these factions looking into this whole situation, apparently no one knows who you really are...

Yeah, at that point I'd be grasping at random straws and generally spouting nonsense too, lol.
 

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I'm not sure the sole explanation for Andrew/Elena jumping to the "do you love him" question is that there are deeper problems in their marriage. It could be as simple as insecurity on Andrews part. We don't know Marina truly is in love with James. All we know is that ElenAndrew thinks she's in love with James.
That's what I mean. The insecurity is the indication that there are deeper problems in their marriage. If they had a strong marriage, Andrew shouldn't be worried that his wife is going to fall in love with someone else in a matter of days. Plus Dream Aphrodite already hinted that this isn't a happy marriage, at least in Andrew's mind.

Ask yourself this: how does Elena know about James? Marina and James meet each other in an empty bar in Crete, with only the bartender and the bald guy there. The bar only just opened 10 minutes before Marina orders her first drink and they may have been there all night, so plenty of people could have seen her there. But someone had to overhear them, know both Marina and the name of James and somehow that information travels to Elena.
So, who told Elena?
Perhaps you missed it- we already know the answer to this question. Seferi told Elena about James just a few pages ago. Hours ago in the comic's timeline. Seferi had just visited Elena in the hospital prior to Marina visiting. Seferi had an associate tailing Marina while she was on Crete, and this person observed the interaction between Marina, James, and Gjoka. Seferi relayed all this to Elena just prior to Marina's visit.
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As far as I am aware, Elena has not undergone SRS, but was just "implanted" with a realistic prosthetic.
Correct. At least, according to the doctor. Or rather, according to Andrew's memories of what the doctor said. He already knows what he needs to do to find out the truth. The fact that he asked Nikos for anal and hasn't investigated on his own seems to indicate that he's avoiding the truth, either consciously or subconsciously.
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Perhaps you missed it- we already know the answer to this question. Seferi told Elena about James just a few pages ago. Hours ago in the comic's timeline. Seferi had just visited Elena in the hospital prior to Marina visiting. Seferi had an associate tailing Marina while she was on Crete, and this person observed the interaction between Marina, James, and Gjoka. Seferi relayed all this to Elena just prior to Marina's visit.
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I forgot about that! Thanks!

So Seferi is working with half correct information and relays that to Elena, who acts on that bad information. I suppose it's probable, with all that's going on in Elena's life that she doesn't second guess things, as it's obvious she should know the man Marina marries is indeed Andrew and not James.
 

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As far as I am aware, Elena has not undergone SRS, but was just "implanted" with a realistic prosthetic.

Correct. At least, according to the doctor. Or rather, according to Andrew's memories of what the doctor said. He already knows what he needs to do to find out the truth. The fact that he asked Nikos for anal and hasn't investigated on his own seems to indicate that he's avoiding the truth, either consciously or subconsciously.
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You guys are right, although I feel a bit like it's a technicality...? Page 752, the doctor confirms that they've performed a orchiectomy (removal of the testicles). And that the new prosthetic can't be removed without surgery. Page 519 confirms that it's advanced enough of a prosthetic that it translates sensation and maybe even pleasure? And it can take 10cms of penetration. Honestly, if this was possible in real life, I feel like this would be the predominant form of transitioning surgery as opposed to current methods. Just seems weird for them to claim it's not gender reassignment surgery when they've gone so far as to widen the hips, remove his testes, and apparently nullified any "unwanted" erections to maintain the new genitalia. At that point, what else would you call it :ROFLMAO:?

But the main point is, you wake up and your dick's gone, you have a pussy tucked between your legs. You've been told by the doctor that you've been castrated... Point is that it's a lot to take in and a lot that reasonable would screw with your mind, lol!
 
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You guys are right, although I feel a bit like it's a technicality...? Page 752, the doctor confirms that they've performed a orchiectomy (removal of the testicles). And that the new prosthetic can't be removed without surgery. Page 519 confirms that it's advanced enough of a prosthetic that it translates sensation and maybe even pleasure? And it can take 10cms of penetration. Honestly, if this was possible in real life, I feel like this would be the predominant form of transitioning surgery as opposed to current methods. Just seems weird for them to claim it's not gender reassignment surgery when they've gone so far as to widen the hips, remove his testes, and apparently nullified any "unwanted" erections to maintain the new genitalia. At that point, what else would you call it :ROFLMAO:?

But the main point is, you wake up and your dick's gone, you have a pussy tucked between your legs. You've been told by the doctor that you've been castrated... Point is that it's a lot to take in and a lot that reasonable would screw with your mind, lol!
This is why I was disappointed that the sex scene went straight to anal. I mean, maybe there are reasons, but it just seemed odd Niko didn't pay attention to Elena's vagina at all.

Story will probably end with Niko knowing the whole time and Elena's final scene will be Vaginal intercourse symbolizing her complete acceptance as a woman.
 

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This is why I was disappointed that the sex scene went straight to anal. I mean, maybe there are reasons, but it just seemed odd Niko didn't pay attention to Elena's vagina at all.

Story will probably end with Niko knowing the whole time and Elena's final scene will be Vaginal intercourse symbolizing her complete acceptance as a woman.
This is probably tinfoil hat conspiracy thinking, but now that I'm thinking back...

Do you all think we're done "transforming"? As in, is the reason why the story specified that this is an advanced prosthetic that can be surgically removed meant to leave room for "one last step"? Like I said before, I'd find that a bit odd as I honestly feel like this prosthetic is an improvement over current surgeries... Unless we're still saving an organ transplant (cloned/grown/donated/etc)?

Or is the reason the story gave us so many details on the surgery (and pointing out all its advanced features) is to show that we're "done", and as IlikePleatedSkirts notes, the only thing left is the symbolism of Elena accepting her new genitalia? I still find it weird in this case that the Doctor specifically doesn't consider this a gender reassignment surgery... but that's probably reading too much into those details...
 

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This is probably tinfoil hat conspiracy thinking, but now that I'm thinking back...

Do you all think we're done "transforming"? As in, is the reason why the story specified that this is an advanced prosthetic that can be surgically removed meant to leave room for "one last step"? Like I said before, I'd find that a bit odd as I honestly feel like this prosthetic is an improvement over current surgeries... Unless we're still saving an organ transplant (cloned/grown/donated/etc)?

Or is the reason the story gave us so many details on the surgery (and pointing out all its advanced features) is to show that we're "done", and as IlikePleatedSkirts notes, the only thing left is the symbolism of Elena accepting her new genitalia? I still find it weird in this case that the Doctor specifically doesn't consider this a gender reassignment surgery... but that's probably reading too much into those details...
I'd say that if Elena is destined to end up with Nikos, which all signs point to right now, then she's probably not done transitioning. Nikos has a monster dong and 10cm ain't gonna cut it. The doctor also didn't say anything about what kind of girth the prosthetic can handle. :sneaky:

I think there are two reasons for the ludicrously-realistic prosthetic vs. actual SRS:
  1. To give Andrew and Marina a speck of hope that they might return to their old lives after this is all over, which greatly affects their motivations. Yes, the orchiectomy is extreme, as are many of the other procedures, but if they're able to undo the breast implants, skin treatment, etc., then there's a slight chance they could return to man and wife. They could still have an active and "traditional" sex life without testicles. This also keeps the reader guessing as to how the story is going to turn out in the end.
  2. To give the story room to grow. We're only at the approximate halfway point, I believe is what Melissa said, and giving Elena a real vagina would give a sense of finality to the transformation. Elena getting a real vagina will likely coincide with her accepting herself as a woman permanently.
 
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I'd say that if Elena is destined to end up with Nikos, which all signs point to right now, then she's probably not done transitioning. Nikos has a monster dong and 10cm ain't gonna cut it. The doctor also didn't say anything about what kind of girth the prosthetic can handle. :sneaky:

I think there are two reasons for the ludicrously-realistic prosthetic vs. actual SRS:
  1. To give Andrew and Marina a speck of hope that they might return to their old lives after this is all over, which greatly affects their motivations. Yes, the orchiectomy is extreme, as are many of the other procedures, but if they're able to undo the breast implants, skin treatment, etc., then there's a slight chance they could return to man and wife. They could still have an active and "traditional" sex life without testicles. This also keeps the reader guessing as to how the story is going to turn out in the end.
  2. To give the story room to grow. We're only at the approximate halfway point, I believe is what Melissa said, and giving Elena a real vagina would give a sense of finality to the transformation. Elena getting a real vagina will likely coincide with her accepting herself as a woman permanently.
I'd go with #2 - it provides a reason for there to be a more (sorry) climatic scene later on. It's kind of explained by the Dr:
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The idea that it would prolong her recovery is laughable considering everything else she had done, but he does specifically tell her that he can get "the best specialist in the world" to finish things off.

Was thinking more about Andrew forgetting all this stuff. Here is when Elena awakens:
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Sounds like she was drunk, or I suppose possibly drugged. And he brings up having the same hangover feeling before when Marina got angry with him. It seems to imply that something after the salon visit happens - Andrew is so horrified at his appearance after the salon visit he goes to a bar, gets plastered, and something bad happens?
 

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Was thinking more about Andrew forgetting all this stuff. Here is when Elena awakens:
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Sounds like she was drunk, or I suppose possibly drugged. And he brings up having the same hangover feeling before when Marina got angry with him. It seems to imply that something after the salon visit happens - Andrew is so horrified at his appearance after the salon visit he goes to a bar, gets plastered, and something bad happens?
While we do know that in real life, binge drinking can result in memory loss, this doesn't really fit the pattern established in the comic so far. Andrew has never lost memories just from drinking alone, as evidenced when he wakes up with a hangover after his first night dining with the Samaras family:
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His first two instances of memory loss followed immediately after meeting with Joanna and falling deeper into character as Elena while under the influence of whatever she drugged him with (which seems to share a lot of the same properties as rohypnol):
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He met with Joanna one other time during lunch with Dimitra, and shortly after that he had the romantic interlude with Nikos, which I would definitely characterize as "falling deeper into character". I'm wondering if he was drugged again during this lunch. Is this why he was so eager to sleep with Nikos? Is he going to remember any of it? We're currently in a flashback inside a dream, so we won't know what Andrew remembers until he wakes up.

So if we follow this pattern, I'm guessing we're going to see Joanna pop up again very soon. If she drugs Andrew again toward the end of this flashback sequence, it would explain the memory loss in the screenshot you posted, and it also might explain a lot of Nikos' behavior afterward too. My theory is that while drugged for the third time either during or after the salon visit, Andrew falls deeper into character as Elena and flirts aggressively with Nikos, in a manner that is not necessary merely to preserve their cover. Nikos perhaps interprets this behavior as Andrew sincerely coming on to him out of character and he now believes that Elena is who Andrew really wants to be and that she wants to be with Nikos. And yes, alcohol was probably involved in addition to Joanna's drug, though it's possible that the drug itself could account for the hangover-like symptoms.
 
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I was recently thinking about how all of this must seem from Nikos’ perspective. All of these things are what (as far as he knows) Elena has chosen to do:

• Pretend to be his wife, in full drag for a night

• Extend his time as a wife to a few months in order to help close the deal. (He knows she was drunk, but not drugged)

• Actively and eagerly study how to behave like a woman to become a better wife and mother.

• Wear breast forms, and long hair at all times to keep living as Elena 24/7 - even in the shower

• When going in for some slight facial feminizing surgery, Elena elects to get her balls removed, her height reduced, massive breast and butt implants, and makes it so she can only speak Greek, Nikos’ native language. This must seem to Nikos like a very clear sign that Andrew would rather be Elena. How could it not?

• As soon as she recovers, she goes to the salon to make herself pretty. Then she dolls herself up in a tight red dress for her welcome back dinner. Here Angeliki says “I told you that your husband would love to see you in this dress!” I understand why Nikos would think Elena was dressing to impress him. The implication is that Elena had asked Angeliki for help picking out something sexy. And he seems genuinely stunned at the gorgeous woman he gets to call his wife.

• Then she undresses in the middle of the bedroom, where he could help unzip her. She moaned at his touch and begged for him to keep playing with her breasts. She also eagerly sucks on his finger and kisses him passionately. Of course Nikos is disappointed when she shies away from sex- she was giving him all the signs!

• After that she sleeps in his bed, snuggling and confiding in him every day. They kiss often, seemingly with Elena being the initiator now as well.

• Weeks later, she accepts his request for a private dinner date (there is very little reason to do this outside of wanting to share a romantic evening.) Here she agrees to be his real wife forever, asks to be taken to bed, sucks his fat cock to the base, and begs to get fucked in the ass.



There must be no doubt in his mind that Elena has forsaken her path as Andrew. These are the actions of a trans woman in love, not a man in disguise!

Something else of note is the character Giuseppe, mentioned back in chapter 1. Nikos shares that his Italian friend had dressed as a nun and gotten them out of trouble. Nikos’ daughters say that the two were “inseparable in youth” until Giuseppe grew up to be a responsible “ADULT”… But not necessarily a man.

I think it’s possible that the two were more than friends, and Giuseppe grew to love dressing femme, with the nun scenario as a catalyst. That sets a precedent for Nikos enjoying the company of cross dressers and trans women. Perhaps the reason Nikos has always had trouble in relationships is because he just isn’t as interested in cisgender women. Then along comes Elena, who’s doing what seems like everything she can to be the perfect little trans wife for him. No wonder he’s falling for her!
 

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While we do know that in real life, binge drinking can result in memory loss, this doesn't really fit the pattern established in the comic so far. Andrew has never lost memories just from drinking alone, as evidenced when he wakes up with a hangover after his first night dining with the Samaras family:
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His first two instances of memory loss followed immediately after meeting with Joanna and falling deeper into character as Elena while under the influence of whatever she drugged him with (which seems to share a lot of the same properties as rohypnol):
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He met with Joanna one other time during lunch with Dimitra, and shortly after that he had the romantic interlude with Nikos, which I would definitely characterize as "falling deeper into character". I'm wondering if he was drugged again during this lunch. Is this why he was so eager to sleep with Nikos? Is he going to remember any of it? We're currently in a flashback inside a dream, so we won't know what Andrew remembers until he wakes up.

So if we follow this pattern, I'm guessing we're going to see Joanna pop up again very soon. If she drugs Andrew again toward the end of this flashback sequence, it would explain the memory loss in the screenshot you posted, and it also might explain a lot of Nikos' behavior afterward too. My theory is that while drugged for the third time either during or after the salon visit, Andrew falls deeper into character as Elena and flirts aggressively with Nikos, in a manner that is not necessary merely to preserve their cover. Nikos perhaps interprets this behavior as Andrew sincerely coming on to him out of character and he now believes that Elena is who Andrew really wants to be and that she wants to be with Nikos. And yes, alcohol was probably involved in addition to Joanna's drug, though it's possible that the drug itself could account for the hangover-like symptoms.
Joanna will probably be the cause of his memory thing , that has been the pattern - Joanna only seems to show up when the family is not around and we have heard that the sisters were not at the salon when Elena guess there, so it seems the perfect time for Joanna to appear.
Maybe we finally get an Athens appearance of Gjoka as well to put more gear into Elena
 

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I really don't know what to make of Andrew referring to James as Marina's husband and asking her if she loves him. I had previously assumed that Marina and James just pretended to be married to get Gjoka to fuck off. You'd think that Andrew would make the same assumption. The fact that he immediately jumps to "do you love him?" hints at much deeper problems in their marriage that we don't know about yet. She was only on Crete for a few days, how is she going to fall in love with someone she just met? Or does Andrew suspect that she's known James for longer than they've been in Greece? Does he know something we don't?
I told you on 8muss , if you remember, merina is not that innocent, and Andrew knew it , maybe andrw knew that jems is merina's friend or colugue or whatever, and Andrew may dought on himself that he can't satisfy merina , so maybe one day it will happen but maybe andrw don't expect that will happen like that .... I personally feel , on the first place, merina agree to make andrw as Elina because of she want to spend some bed time with jems while Andrew will busy as Elina
 

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• When going in for some slight facial feminizing surgery, Elena elects to get her balls removed, her height reduced, massive breast and butt implants, and makes it so she can only speak Greek, Nikos’ native language. This must seem to Nikos like a very clear sign that Andrew would rather be Elena. How could it not?
I dunno: That'd be a red flag to me that something's wrong in Andrew's head. It's the same issue I had with "A High-Heeled Journey". If someone came up to you and basically said: "hey, let me be your wife". No matter how hot they were, that would be an insane amount of red flags.

Now, this same person is your niece's husband. That's another red flag.

This same person is wanting to change their age and race. That's another dozen huge red flags.

These aren't the kinds of actions that an innocent person would find reasonable. For Nikos to accept these turns of events, I think he has to have some warped/selfish motivations. Like, I don't care how magical you believe your dick to be (or to put it less explicitly, how charming/of a catch Nikos believes himself to be): there's no world where a reasonable human being would look at those series of events and think "oh yeah, I'm such a stud, of course straight young men would undergo surgery to change their sex, age, and race just to be with me. And I have no issues saying yes to the kind of unstable person that would choose to do this WHILE STILL MARRIED" That's the attitude of a crazed narcissistic.

Honestly, I initially found your Giuseppe theory kind of far fetched. But at this point, I'll take anything that points to Nikos having skewed/perverted/fucked up motivations because the more I think about it, either Nikos isn't right in the head, or this all has to be extremely deliberate and he's "sane", but a fucked up person.

Really hope we get some more concrete motivations across the board.