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Part 13 for A Sweet Change is included in the OP and can be found . The story is almost done and if you want to have a voice in what Melissa will do next, now's your chance to participate in that conversation on her Patreon.
 

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Part 13 for A Sweet Change is included in the OP and can be found . The story is almost done and if you want to have a voice in what Melissa will do next, now's your chance to participate in that conversation on her Patreon.
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Definitely voting to bring back K-pop. I miss it. And I don't really care for the panel stories. They're all the same. :(
 

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Definitely voting to bring back K-pop. I miss it. And I don't really care for the panel stories. They're all the same. :(
I wonder if she's considered finishing A Different Kind of Model. I'm not saying it needs an added ending, but she's said she thinks it does. Maybe she's reconsidered her stance on it, as I think it has a solid ending as is. It's possible she no longer wishes to work on her mostly text stories, as I think they're her best work. Though I guess it's possible she'd prefer to work on those and then drop a book for sale outside of Patreon.
 

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Definitely voting to bring back K-pop. I miss it. And I don't really care for the panel stories. They're all the same. :(
I'd prefer bringing back K-pop just for the simple reason that it breaks the flow when writing/following a story and then it takes a hiatus. Especially if the hiatus is too long, it can be jarring if there's things like stylistic changes. That, and K-pop had finally started going somewhere. We might finally get some hot outfits, and if our group needs additional members, maybe even some more feminization!

I'll agree that the panel stories had become repetitive. I think the scenarios and how they were presented had gotten a bit stale. I generally like TF sequences, but I'm looking out for interesting transformation types, or characters/outfits that peak my interest. While I don't need explicit material in all my works, the panel stories are also particularly tame.

I wonder if she's considered finishing A Different Kind of Model. I'm not saying it needs an added ending, but she's said she thinks it does. Maybe she's reconsidered her stance on it, as I think it has a solid ending as is. It's possible she no longer wishes to work on her mostly text stories, as I think they're her best work. Though I guess it's possible she'd prefer to work on those and then drop a book for sale outside of Patreon.
If she's anything like me, the longer I'm away from a project I "intend" to "finish", the more likely I start noticing issues with the whole thing and end up feeling like I'd rather re-do the whole thing, or just leave it as is.

I genuinely hope she doesn't stop doing text stories. But I can also see how text stories are a worse fit for running a patreon. At least for me, if you see someone post 3-4 paragraphs of text, it doesn't feel like a "real" update, while 15-20 panels of a comic feels more substantial. Even when they cover the exact same amount of material.
 

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I genuinely hope she doesn't stop doing text stories. But I can also see how text stories are a worse fit for running a patreon. At least for me, if you see someone post 3-4 paragraphs of text, it doesn't feel like a "real" update, while 15-20 panels of a comic feels more substantial. Even when they cover the exact same amount of material.
I wouldn't say it's that bad of a fit for Patreon. Emory Ahlberg has been doing illustrated mostly-text stories for a while. She usually posts a full chapter at a time, interspersed with her normal comic updates. And people seem to enjoy them. Or at least the feedback I've seen in comments is generally positive. Fairly recently there was Anywhere But Boring written and illustrated by Emory, then The Catch, written by Alyson Greaves and illustrated by Emory, and now Fertility Rites, though this one might be considered more of a long caption story since every page is about 50/50 image and text.
 

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I'd prefer bringing back K-pop just for the simple reason that it breaks the flow when writing/following a story and then it takes a hiatus. Especially if the hiatus is too long, it can be jarring if there's things like stylistic changes. That, and K-pop had finally started going somewhere. We might finally get some hot outfits, and if our group needs additional members, maybe even some more feminization!

I'll agree that the panel stories had become repetitive. I think the scenarios and how they were presented had gotten a bit stale. I generally like TF sequences, but I'm looking out for interesting transformation types, or characters/outfits that peak my interest. While I don't need explicit material in all my works, the panel stories are also particularly tame.

If she's anything like me, the longer I'm away from a project I "intend" to "finish", the more likely I start noticing issues with the whole thing and end up feeling like I'd rather re-do the whole thing, or just leave it as is.

I genuinely hope she doesn't stop doing text stories. But I can also see how text stories are a worse fit for running a patreon. At least for me, if you see someone post 3-4 paragraphs of text, it doesn't feel like a "real" update, while 15-20 panels of a comic feels more substantial. Even when they cover the exact same amount of material.
I guess this is exactly why Melissa is remaking K-Pop Idol after her first attempt of telling her story over on Fictionmania.

Like Thalantyr says, Emory Ahlberg cooperates with someone to tell a mostly text story in different chapters. She uploads a new chapter once every four weeks/ month. A chapter in Emorys version is about 28-29 pages. I think it works very well for a monthly upload. It should give the author plenty of time to work on the story and in terms of computer generating the images; the number of rendered images averages to about 6. So provided a Patreon creator has a story they want to tell I think it's very doable. Melissa has shown she can. But she did High Tops to High Heels with KK and that happened entirely outside Patreon. For all we know she's working on a story already.

Also, as a sidenote. Thalantyr mentioned Anywhere But Boring by Emory Ahlberg and that's one of my favourite stories for 2024. I don't usually do end of year lists for fear of forgetting some of my beloved stories, but that one would definitely make my list. It comes in at a neat 142 pages with plenty of images. It's a great story to read and later revisit. Emory tends to make stories that are too long and widespread for my liking, so this was great.
Melissa appears to have followed that same path. She's had Idol and Mirror run at the same time for a while, which highlighted that. I'm all for her having a few shorter stories while also running a long story like Idol after she wraps Mirror up. Not every story needs to be a grand epic. Sweet Change and also Holiday in High Heels didn't feel enough like quick, fun stories to me. A fun 20-panel story with a small change on every page released over a two week period; those are the kind of stories I would love to see her do for a while. Oh well.
 

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Melissa appears to have followed that same path. She's had Idol and Mirror run at the same time for a while, which highlighted that. I'm all for her having a few shorter stories while also running a long story like Idol after she wraps Mirror up. Not every story needs to be a grand epic. Sweet Change and also Holiday in High Heels didn't feel enough like quick, fun stories to me. A fun 20-panel story with a small change on every page released over a two week period; those are the kind of stories I would love to see her do for a while. Oh well.
Generally, whether it be shorter or longer works, I'd just like to see a bit more refinement on the character side of things. A common thing in a lot of these newer stories is how passive the main character is. I get that the genre is a mostly "realistic" setting, but I feel like there's a certain level of "corruption" that could be done realistically and give the characters more personality.

Actually, maybe passive is the wrong term. Almost more like the main characters cap out their level of resistance with just whining. I think (especially with a comic story) that it could be hot for a character to be oblivious to their changes. Being gaslit slowly into normalizing their own feminization. But I think that also ties into your point about seeing meaningful progression from page to page/chapter to chapter over the course of the story.

Maybe that's the other thing that's caused a lot of the stories to feel a bit samey lately is just how many of them feel like they have the exact same progression?

It always starts with a slightly feminine outfit and shaved face+makeup. Then a slightly more feminine outfit and slimmer proportions. Then slight breast growth with a distinctively feminine outfit. And then lastly a bombshell body in a sexy outfit.

Don't get me wrong, that's hot. But it would be fun to vary that up. Maybe start with a guy with already a slight bubble butt and do a gym bunny story from there. Maybe start with a guy that's insecure with his facial hair deciding to get it removed, only to end up with an extremely girlish face.
 

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Definitely voting to bring back K-pop. I miss it. And I don't really care for the panel stories. They're all the same. :(
I would only vote for K-Pop if Melissa included a guarantee of images posted per week. Under Melissa's current slow-drip moneymaking scheme, subscribers get starved for sexual content for months on end. I don't really care to pay for a couple of images showcasing a discussion between a fully clothed woman and a nasty old man solely to advance plot exposition. At least with the panel stories there's a chance of more regular sex scenes.
 

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Also, as a sidenote. Thalantyr mentioned Anywhere But Boring by Emory Ahlberg and that's one of my favourite stories for 2024. I don't usually do end of year lists for fear of forgetting some of my beloved stories, but that one would definitely make my list. It comes in at a neat 142 pages with plenty of images. It's a great story to read and later revisit. Emory tends to make stories that are too long and widespread for my liking, so this was great.
100% agree. I thoroughly enjoyed Anywhere But Boring. It felt like a fresh take on an old premise (I don't think this genre has any new premises left that haven't already been written about), it was a good length, I really enjoyed the characters, and it had some really great, heavy, emotional scenes.

Actually, maybe passive is the wrong term. Almost more like the main characters cap out their level of resistance with just whining. I think (especially with a comic story) that it could be hot for a character to be oblivious to their changes. Being gaslit slowly into normalizing their own feminization. But I think that also ties into your point about seeing meaningful progression from page to page/chapter to chapter over the course of the story.

Maybe that's the other thing that's caused a lot of the stories to feel a bit samey lately is just how many of them feel like they have the exact same progression?

It always starts with a slightly feminine outfit and shaved face+makeup. Then a slightly more feminine outfit and slimmer proportions. Then slight breast growth with a distinctively feminine outfit. And then lastly a bombshell body in a sexy outfit.
Totally. Both the level of resistance and the progression of the change in the panel stories are the same every single time. Just adding a new secondary fetish like weight gain, race change, or age progression doesn't really do anything for me to make the stories feel different. Especially since the secondary fetish is usually only visual, and doesn't much affect the characters' emotional outlook or circumstances. Like if an AP character suddenly had to deal with the emotional ramifications of having children who love her, or deal with the logistics of caring for them. That would make AP interesting to me. If the change is just visual, then to me it's at best a neutral change and at worst a negative, since I generally find 20-30yo women more attractive. Same goes for Sweet Change. The weight gain doesn't really seem to be affecting her beyond just the ambiguous "weird" feeling she has about changing into a woman so it's just superficial. And since I don't have a BBW fetish, this does nothing for me. She's still slim enough for me to find her attractive, so for me, it might as well just be a vanilla feminization story.
 

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Maybe that's the other thing that's caused a lot of the stories to feel a bit samey lately is just how many of them feel like they have the exact same progression?

It always starts with a slightly feminine outfit and shaved face+makeup. Then a slightly more feminine outfit and slimmer proportions. Then slight breast growth with a distinctively feminine outfit. And then lastly a bombshell body in a sexy outfit.

Don't get me wrong, that's hot. But it would be fun to vary that up. Maybe start with a guy with already a slight bubble butt and do a gym bunny story from there. Maybe start with a guy that's insecure with his facial hair deciding to get it removed, only to end up with an extremely girlish face.
Idol and Mirror feel a lot like they're the same story. Melissa has told different stories in the past.
Never Meet Your Heroes is about a man wanting to meet his rock star idols but backstage VIP passes are exclusive for women, so he dresses up as a woman and keeps doing that for months until he transitions. The Reluctant Adventures of an E-Girl stars someone who initially is reluctant to dress up as a girl but sees their donations increase, after which he sets donation goals for their future feminisation. The Reunion Prank is an hypnosis story.

They're different stories with only a handful of pages each. That forces Melissa to focus the story and to make them different from the next one. That allows her to focus on different paths that could lead to a transformation. If there's no need to make a fully three dimensional character, a guy with a bubble butt into a gym bunny story can be natural. A guy fearing male pattern baldness and accidentally taking too much anti-testosteron pills that lead to breast growth would also make for a nice short transformation story. A nice and quick in and out story. You'd think that's the kind of story sexy-story writers would know their way with. But we'll probably get a story with 11 pages focusing on a different limb before revealing the full transformation.
 
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Idol and Mirror feel a lot like they're the same story. Melissa has told different stories in the past.
Never Meet Your Heroes is about a man wanting to meet his rock star idols but backstage VIP passes are exclusive for women, so he dresses up as a woman and keeps doing that for months until he transitions. The Reluctant Adventures of an E-Girl stars someone who initially is reluctant to dress up as a girl but sees their donations increase, after which he sets donation goals for their future feminisation. The Reunion Prank is an hypnosis story.

They're different stories with only a handful of pages each. That forces Melissa to focus the story and to make them different from the next one. That allows her to focus on different paths that could lead to a transformation. If there's no need to make a fully three dimensional character, a guy with a bubble butt into a gym bunny story can be natural. A guy fearing male pattern baldness and accidentally taking too much anti-testosteron pills that lead to breast growth would also make for a nice short transformation story. A nice and quick in and out story. You'd think that's the kind of story sexy-story writers would know their way with. But we'll probably get a story with 11 pages focusing on a different limb before revealing the full transformation.
Don't get me wrong: some of my favorite MelissaN stories have been the short panel stories. I love the renders for Egirl, the corruption in Money Can't Buy Happiness, and the mental changes in Harley' Quinn's Biggest Adventure. But even among my favorites, there's no denying that we often get "whiny bland protagonist" in them.

Yes, the examples you listed (and speaking frankly, most of the shorts) have different plot (and some include different mechanisms like hypnosis), but by and large the progression and characterization is largely the same. It's almost always this very superficial resistance where it gets hard to suspend disbelief that the main character thinks they aren't being feminized or can turn back, etc. I think Sweet Change was the most egregious example recently where a lot of us on this forum collectively were like "what?!" when the MC didn't seem to notice they were being feminized.

There's these knock of effects: It also means that for most of these shorts, 80% of the story has them complain and not accept their feminization (usually with a "I'm growing boobs?!" about halfway in), and then we do a time skip with a lot of surgeries and major body changes just for the last two pages. Now I know I'll sound a bit hypocritical as one of my biggest complaints towards (for example) sapphirefoxx stories is that the initial crossdressing is so passable they basically look like their final form, and it's just being told the surgeries are being done to catch up to how they already look. Or I'm also the first to complain that in Aphrodite's Mirror, we haven't had any transformation in a transformation story for quite some time. That said, I also do like being able to savor a part of the transformation.

Now granted, it would probably double the story's length. But taking Egirl as an example, the early half takes its time with being gradual goals. But every single surgery gets lumped into one milestone goal. That was super dissapointing. I would have loved it if hair removal was one, lip filler was another. Ass, hips, breasts, etc each got a panel. Especially if it were like each milestone, the MC had to pick a surgery, and so they were chosing ones that were least extreme, but slowly ran out as the donations kept coming in.

We all have our comfort spots. As a writer, I recently was going through my own works and realizing how often I fell back on certain descriptors or reactions by characters. So I'm not implying this stuff is easy. But it's certainly something that I've noticed and would love to see some variation off this pattern.

EDIT: So this reminded me: I saw a clip from a V-Tuber who was talking about how she realized/feels like being a streamer is turning her into a bimbo. It was kind of a joke, but I could see the nugget of truth where constantly relying on twitch chat to solve problems was conditioning her to not think for herself (and she was realizing that). In a non-sexy version, I definitely see that with a certain lolcow who constantly asks chat where to go and what to do in games. Would love a sexier, feminization take on this parasocial stuff, lol.
 
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Who needs fiction when we've got F1nn5ter? :D
Also have you seen what Sneaky has been up to since moving over to Fansly? Good lord. :sneaky:
Yes, and yes, :D

It's a story area I feel is ripe for exploration, and yet the handful of stories I've seen in the genre don't fully take advantage of it. A lot of them don't seem up to date enough with streaming culture, gaming culture, cosplay culture, etc to take advantage of the setting.

Plus, I'd fallen down the rabbit hole of content creators doing stuff for clout/views or becoming lolcows and so it feels like we're at the point where truth is stranger than fiction anyway.
 

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So this reminded me: I saw a clip from a V-Tuber who was talking about how she realized/feels like being a streamer is turning her into a bimbo. It was kind of a joke, but I could see the nugget of truth where constantly relying on twitch chat to solve problems was conditioning her to not think for herself (and she was realizing that).
Which vtuber was it?
 

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Don't get me wrong: some of my favorite MelissaN stories have been the short panel stories. I love the renders for Egirl, the corruption in Money Can't Buy Happiness, and the mental changes in Harley' Quinn's Biggest Adventure. But even among my favorites, there's no denying that we often get "whiny bland protagonist" in them.

Yes, the examples you listed (and speaking frankly, most of the shorts) have different plot (and some include different mechanisms like hypnosis), but by and large the progression and characterization is largely the same. It's almost always this very superficial resistance where it gets hard to suspend disbelief that the main character thinks they aren't being feminized or can turn back, etc. I think Sweet Change was the most egregious example recently where a lot of us on this forum collectively were like "what?!" when the MC didn't seem to notice they were being feminized.

There's these knock of effects: It also means that for most of these shorts, 80% of the story has them complain and not accept their feminization (usually with a "I'm growing boobs?!" about halfway in), and then we do a time skip with a lot of surgeries and major body changes just for the last two pages. Now I know I'll sound a bit hypocritical as one of my biggest complaints towards (for example) sapphirefoxx stories is that the initial crossdressing is so passable they basically look like their final form, and it's just being told the surgeries are being done to catch up to how they already look. Or I'm also the first to complain that in Aphrodite's Mirror, we haven't had any transformation in a transformation story for quite some time. That said, I also do like being able to savor a part of the transformation.

Now granted, it would probably double the story's length. But taking Egirl as an example, the early half takes its time with being gradual goals. But every single surgery gets lumped into one milestone goal. That was super dissapointing. I would have loved it if hair removal was one, lip filler was another. Ass, hips, breasts, etc each got a panel. Especially if it were like each milestone, the MC had to pick a surgery, and so they were chosing ones that were least extreme, but slowly ran out as the donations kept coming in.

We all have our comfort spots. As a writer, I recently was going through my own works and realizing how often I fell back on certain descriptors or reactions by characters. So I'm not implying this stuff is easy. But it's certainly something that I've noticed and would love to see some variation off this pattern.

EDIT: So this reminded me: I saw a clip from a V-Tuber who was talking about how she realized/feels like being a streamer is turning her into a bimbo. It was kind of a joke, but I could see the nugget of truth where constantly relying on twitch chat to solve problems was conditioning her to not think for herself (and she was realizing that). In a non-sexy version, I definitely see that with a certain lolcow who constantly asks chat where to go and what to do in games. Would love a sexier, feminization take on this parasocial stuff, lol.
I'd like to compare reading a story with a little vacation. A short story is like a weekend city trip to, let's say, Paris. I've been to Paris multiple times in my life and during a weekend there you do the same couple of things. Apart from obviously trying to avoid as many French people as possible, you check out the Eiffel Tower, the Notre-Dame, the Arc de Triomphe, speedrun the Louvre, Sacre Coeur and walk around Montmartre and a variety of other sights. But there are also trips you just go to the Louvre for a full day, or you go to Versailles.
If you take a tour guide through a city those tour guides will show you a different side of the city, but they all like different things and emphasise different aspect of the city. If a specific tour guide really likes a specific little cafe in Montmartre you wouldn't be able to find on your own, you take that tour guide and enjoy the atmosphere during the tour. When there are a lot of different tour guides in the city it doesn't matter, as depending on your desire to visit that little cafe you can take that tour or you don't. If it's just a city trip and you go for a cup of tea to that cafe it's all good. When it's a week long vacation to Paris and you go to that cafe every day for breakfast, lunch and dinner it's a different story.

That's sort of where I think these long running stories show their flaws. When there's so much room to diversify stories, yet the same thing happens every time it's getting to a point of laziness taking over. One of the things I love doing about coming up with concepts and writing them into stories is trying to make really silly things work. It's the finding creative solutions to self-imposed problems that it's so gratifying about writing stories. To me at least. I wonder if the same goes for Melissa. She often stays on the safe side of storytelling, which (as Hollywood has shown these last couple of years) veers dangerously close to being bland.

Sometimes a trip to Paris with only the Notre-Dame and a time of leisure in the Luxembourg Gardens makes for the best overall experience. We don't always need to see the Notre Dame. I think Melissa feels she has to include certain sights to truly make it count as successful trip to Paris. The point I'm unsure about is if she writes the story she does because that's where her own interests lay and she doesn't want to tell a different kind of story, or if she's unsure if she could tell a different story. I think she is capable of it, maybe she just lacks the creative inspiration. Or maybe the Patreon model doesn't incentivise her to do something different. I'm not sure.

I think there are options for her. Like you point out, the Reluctant E-Girl story could be improved if the surgeries were introduced over several panels. The story currently has 10 pages, double that to show the improvements you're rightly pointing out and the story could come in at the 20 pages I suggested before and it could work as a fun little story. In and out. Make it three weeks for some stories, but set that as a max. If it doesn't work for some people, no worries, there's a different story around the corner. But the E-Girl story has several options it could dive into. Obviously Melissa chose her direction, has a currently running story called Nerd Enhanced with similar aspects and Maryanne Peters published . I'm sure there are many other variations on the same story.
But the reason I mention Maryanne Peters is because I'm a Patron of hers. They upload 3 stories a week. Sometimes the stories are just 2 pages long, others are 8 pages long. Sometimes they're barely that. They're quick in and outs. But because of the sheer volume every month you get a few stories that are really fun and interesting. Granted, I'm not experienced writing for comics or panels, but surely a story like could make for a fun 15-20 panel story for Melissa. And if it doesn't work for some readers, there's always the long-running story that also uploads weekly to keep them hooked. Or the prospect of a different story that starts soon. So her readers can explore the Notre Dame one week and the Sacre Coeur the next.

At least, that's how I'd consider running her Patreon in 2025 if I was as talented as she is with her 3d software.
 

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The point I'm unsure about is if she writes the story she does because that's where her own interests lay and she doesn't want to tell a different kind of story, or if she's unsure if she could tell a different story. I think she is capable of it, maybe she just lacks the creative inspiration. Or maybe the Patreon model doesn't incentivise her to do something different. I'm not sure.
I do think that most of it is her writing what she's passionate about. The common thing in all her stories are these gradual changes that call out changes despite not necessarily going through details. I know I've gone through phases where that was my preferred reading material (just like I've gone through submissive sissy phases, body swap phases, etc). And as a writer, I know that I often keep in my preferred wheelhouse when I'm writing for pleasure (which is one of the reasons I purposefully do exercises to expand my skillset). Of course, I have the luxury of not monetizing my works and writing at my own (glacial) pace. So me taking time to experiment doesn't hurt my income.

Genuinely, I think the main thing Melissa is lacking is an editor. That process of having your works dissected, and getting meaningful feedback or having a meaningful back and forth to determine whether the written intent is coming through is extremely important for improvement. Especially when you're already good. Public reviews really only go so far and considering the average reader doesn't have the experience or background to do so means that you're more likely to have your works (at least from a literary standpoint) get worse from feedback from your readers than improve.

But the reason I mention Maryanne Peters is because I'm a Patron of hers. They upload 3 stories a week. Sometimes the stories are just 2 pages long, others are 8 pages long. Sometimes they're barely that. They're quick in and outs. But because of the sheer volume every month you get a few stories that are really fun and interesting.
So I'm gonna rant a little bit, and I apologize as I hate "yucking someone's yum", but I've butted heads with Maryanne in the past and every interaction has left me with an awful taste in my mouth.

Generally, it drives me up the wall how she complains about not getting enough reviews, and if any review actually calls out mistakes or areas of improvement, Maryanne gets extremely defensive about how it's just a quick short story and because she's just writing a quick story people shouldn't point out spelling mistakes or flaws. Ever since she started posting, I've been unable to use Fictionmania's SWI listing because it's been completely flooded with only her works. Even if I wasn't immediately turned off whenever I see that she's the author, not having a synopsis doesn't help in the slightest. If you are a fan, good luck ever finding that story again, especially now that she's posted over 1300 "stories" (I gonna gatekeep a bit here: back in the day, if you were writing all these drabbles/short stories, you'd compile them into an anthology just to avoid flooding a site with only your works). Writing short stories is a legitimate art form and an excellent exercise for "less is more" when improving your own writing. But from the bragging about every story count milestone, the fighting in the message board, and the fact that most of the caption rewrites don't actually develop the story in a meaninigful way beyond the original caption, she's rubbed me the wrong way.

One last note: There's something that drives me a little crazy that she's very proud of writing short stories (as if it's harder, or something that takes massive skill). And yet, a huge percentage of her work is rewriting a captioned image, which is already a short story and often a very effective short story, and making it slightly longer.

But tying it to this topic: The reason why making comics is "hard" is because comic writing is different from normal text writing: It has a long history of people iterating and discovering different story telling methods unique to comics. This doesn't mean that it's impossible to learn it. Far from it. But it's a good idea to take advantage of the history to not have to reinvent the wheel. I always complain about this, but I think the biggest thing Melissa and other people doing TG comics (or even captioned images) could learn is to implement time compression. That and cut down on internal thought bubbles/monologues when the image is showing us already.

Exploring concepts is very fulfilling as exercises. I do it all the time and have a lot of fun (and I think grow as a writer) by testing myself. But most of that stuff are works I don't consider "fit for consumption". Maybe I'm setting my standards too high, but generally, a lot of my drafts are just that: drafts. Just like an artists sketchbook, it's something that's used for self-growth, not really useful for being posted except to people specifically interested in the behind the scenes stuff/teasers.

Writing is problem solving. The longer the story, the more problems there are to solve. Without a length limit, the trap of long form writing is that there's always more room to retcon or justify a previous mistake. So it's a blessing and a curse. I don't think long works are inherently better or worse, but if you aren't cognizant of the potential pitfalls, it's easy to abandon basic tenants of good writing.

This is something you see with any long runner. Just about every long running show, book series, comic series, etc has fallen into the trap of forsaking core tenants of good storytelling to justify something else. Whether it be to kickstart a spinoff, justify a plothole, setup a sequel, or introducing contradictory characterization just because the story has gone on so long it's easy to contradict yourself... This doesn't mean this has to happen. Just like how short stories don't have to be shallow even though many fall into that trap. But without (good) editors, it's very easy to fall into these natural traps.
 

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So I'm gonna rant a little bit, and I apologize as I hate "yucking someone's yum", but I've butted heads with Maryanne in the past and every interaction has left me with an awful taste in my mouth.

Generally, it drives me up the wall how she complains about not getting enough reviews, and if any review actually calls out mistakes or areas of improvement, Maryanne gets extremely defensive about how it's just a quick short story and because she's just writing a quick story people shouldn't point out spelling mistakes or flaws. Ever since she started posting, I've been unable to use Fictionmania's SWI listing because it's been completely flooded with only her works. Even if I wasn't immediately turned off whenever I see that she's the author, not having a synopsis doesn't help in the slightest. If you are a fan, good luck ever finding that story again, especially now that she's posted over 1300 "stories" (I gonna gatekeep a bit here: back in the day, if you were writing all these drabbles/short stories, you'd compile them into an anthology just to avoid flooding a site with only your works). Writing short stories is a legitimate art form and an excellent exercise for "less is more" when improving your own writing. But from the bragging about every story count milestone, the fighting in the message board, and the fact that most of the caption rewrites don't actually develop the story in a meaninigful way beyond the original caption, she's rubbed me the wrong way.

One last note: There's something that drives me a little crazy that she's very proud of writing short stories (as if it's harder, or something that takes massive skill). And yet, a huge percentage of her work is rewriting a captioned image, which is already a short story and often a very effective short story, and making it slightly longer.
I didn't know I touched a sensitive subject there. :p

I understand the criticism and I don't think you're yucking a yum. Criticising a messenger isn't the same as criticising a message, so it's all good. For me, I like some of their stories. I'm not endorsing them for grand vizier of Fictionmania. If you've had some bad encounters with them I get where you're coming from.

But tying it to this topic: The reason why making comics is "hard" is because comic writing is different from normal text writing: It has a long history of people iterating and discovering different story telling methods unique to comics. This doesn't mean that it's impossible to learn it. Far from it. But it's a good idea to take advantage of the history to not have to reinvent the wheel. I always complain about this, but I think the biggest thing Melissa and other people doing TG comics (or even captioned images) could learn is to implement time compression. That and cut down on internal thought bubbles/monologues when the image is showing us already.

Exploring concepts is very fulfilling as exercises. I do it all the time and have a lot of fun (and I think grow as a writer) by testing myself. But most of that stuff are works I don't consider "fit for consumption". Maybe I'm setting my standards too high, but generally, a lot of my drafts are just that: drafts. Just like an artists sketchbook, it's something that's used for self-growth, not really useful for being posted except to people specifically interested in the behind the scenes stuff/teasers.

Writing is problem solving. The longer the story, the more problems there are to solve. Without a length limit, the trap of long form writing is that there's always more room to retcon or justify a previous mistake. So it's a blessing and a curse. I don't think long works are inherently better or worse, but if you aren't cognizant of the potential pitfalls, it's easy to abandon basic tenants of good writing.

This is something you see with any long runner. Just about every long running show, book series, comic series, etc has fallen into the trap of forsaking core tenants of good storytelling to justify something else. Whether it be to kickstart a spinoff, justify a plothole, setup a sequel, or introducing contradictory characterization just because the story has gone on so long it's easy to contradict yourself... This doesn't mean this has to happen. Just like how short stories don't have to be shallow even though many fall into that trap. But without (good) editors, it's very easy to fall into these natural traps.
Maybe my standards are lower, but I've thoroughly enjoyed writing a full story of any length out of my concepts. But as English isn't my primary language I have found it easier to write in my own language. The old quote that "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter" is one I frequently think about when writing. I've tried to write a story in English before, but I just like my stories better when I write in my native tongue. Especially when it comes to sensitive changes in my character's mental or physical state, I find a more useful vocabulary helps me write a better story. I need more words which leads to a lesser impact when I'm writing in English. It's something I'd love to get better in, as that's the main reason I haven't published on FM yet.

But Melissa has. And I wonder if her maybe flawed vocabulary is the reason her stories drag a bit sometimes. Perhaps she lacks the punch to make every word count. An editor could probably help her with that, but I can see it being very difficult to work with an editor when publishing on a platform like Patreon and the story isn't fully written yet. Outlined, sure. But all dialogue and storyboarded? I imagine that's very difficult. But going by her Patreon numbers maybe it would be fair to expect that of her.

And to bring it back to that suggestion I made, to have short stories spanning dozens of panels instead of hundreds: those should be more easily storyboarded and drafted before they're published.
 

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And I wonder if her maybe flawed vocabulary is the reason her stories drag a bit sometimes. Perhaps she lacks the punch to make every word count. An editor could probably help her with that, but I can see it being very difficult to work with an editor when publishing on a platform like Patreon and the story isn't fully written yet. Outlined, sure. But all dialogue and storyboarded? I imagine that's very difficult. But going by her Patreon numbers maybe it would be fair to expect that of her.
Genuinely, finding a character's "voice" is really fucking hard. This isn't something that only comes from practice, it comes from a lot of experience: Talking to a lot of people, really listening to a lot of people, reading a lot, watching a lot of content, etc.

When done well, you can pick up on details about a person entirely based on what their dialogue is. Their maturity, the relationship between the two characters, the emotions their feeling... People mistake the idea that "show don't tell" means there's no dialogue. NO! What "show don't tell" means is that we learn things about the character's BEYOND the explicit thing stated in the dialogue.

If we look at this bit of internal dialogue:

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We're not learning anything beyond what the character is explicitly telling us is happening. And rather than us being told that Nick's mind has internalized this part of his transformation, it would have been wonderful if this was just something that was naturally happening and as readers we picked up on the consistent feminization. After 150 pages, if you've written your characters well, having their speech patterns change should stick out just as much as seeing them starting to grow breasts :D

That's kind of what I mean where I think an editor could help. You don't need the full story to point out where some of the "fat" in the story can be cut. That's why I think an editor would provide the most "bang for the buck" when it comes to taking her works to the next level. Before worrying about having "perfect" dialogue, we've already got some nuance that can be introduced just by slimming down the amount of dialogue. Because I genuinely think Melissa is better than most. But I also know that once you're at this level, getting even better is especially hard.