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Ok., to explain it better: 22 years ago, Nikos and Joanna hook up, Jo's na gets pregnant; her dad won't approve, she hides it from him, leaves kids with Nikos and disappears from Nikos' life; she maintains relationship with Dad (Toska) but he know nothing of the daughters. Years later, Joanna hears if potential deal btwn Nikos and Toska, realizes this is chance for daughters to get at least done part of rightful inheritance. Cones to Athens to spy on meeting (hiding from Nikos) and sees Nikos' rather half baked plan and decided to intervene on the sly. Does not want Nikos or daughters to know of her existence in all this.
To be clear: you've repeatedly mentioned Nikos' plan. But there's not really a "Nikos' plan" that pertains to Toska.

Right now, we have seen:

- Nikos' original proposal: The idea was that Andrew would dress up as Elena and help woo Toska so that Toska would think Nikos is a good "family man" and support the business deal. That was apparently the extent to the plan and (officially), the narrative keeps trying to convince us that he's completely not aware about all this other stuff happening. As such, he's heartbroken to learn that his niece's husband isn't actually madly in love with him. Effectively, this plan is already done, but has artificially been dragged out because Joel is a guest and they're keeping up appearances for Joel.

- Seferi's plan: Seferi's master plan is that apparently Toska must return to Greece for Nikos' wedding. When he arrives, Seferi has prepared evidence to get Toska locked up. For Seferi, his motivation is revenge. For Marina, Eva, and Sofia, they're participating with this plan because Elena has convinced them Toska is a danger to the family. One woman is more directly involved with Seferi on this plan, and currently we don't know her identity.

- Joel's plan: This is the one we know the least about currently. Somehow it involved Angeliki inserting herself close to the family. And somehow he thinks he can take advantage of knowing Elena is actually a man to be part of his plan. This plan is mostly derailed now that he's been feminized.

So regarding the plot you've laid out:

1) How is Joanna getting money out of this? If Toska is arrested, it's not like being Toska's daughter means she just instantly gets his money. Joel wanting Toska arrested would make sense as there's an opportunity to inherit the criminal connections and become top dog. But Joanna doesn't have that benefit.

2) Why does Joanna want money for Eva and Sofia anyway? Nikos is rich. Putting them in danger by involving Toska seems like a bad idea. Especially if she was keeping their parentage a secret, shouldn't she have tried to sabotage (or even tell Nikos) to not do this deal? They clearly don't need the money.

Also, this plot requires Toska (who we need to remind ourselves is so paranoid he ruined Seferi's families' lives over the discovery of Seferi having sex with men) to not notice his daughter is pregnant. With twins, apparently. And even before that, apparently not ever find out that she was dating Nikos.

I genuinely don't see how that works.
 
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- Seferi's plan: Seferi's master plan is that apparently Toska must return to Greece for Nikos' wedding. When he arrives, Seferi has prepared evidence to get Toska locked up. For Seferi, his motivation is revenge. For Marina, Eva, and Sofia, they're participating with this plan because Elena has convinced them Toska is a danger to the family. One woman is more directly involved with Seferi on this plan, and currently we don't know her identity.

- Joel's plan: This is the one we know the least about currently. Somehow it involved Angeliki inserting herself close to the family. And somehow he thinks he can take advantage of knowing Elena is actually a man to be part of his plan. This plan is mostly derailed now that he's been feminized.
This is kinda unrelated to the ongoing discussion about Eva and Sofia's mom, but are you assuming that Joel and Seferi have two different competing plans? They'd clearly been working together up until their disagreement over how the plan was proceeding and Seferi shot Joel. And I got the impression that Angeliki had been and still is working with Seferi as well. And since being shot, Joel has been either unconscious, in the hospital, or at the salon under Angeliki's supervision, so I don't think he's had time to formulate any specific revenge plan against Seferi/Angeliki. It seems to me that he's still reluctantly working to carry out Seferi's plan, though his role in the plan has now changed.
 
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This is kinda unrelated to the ongoing discussion about Eva and Sofia's mom, but are you assuming that Joel and Seferi have two different competing plans?
Not competing: They have two different motivations but the path to get what they want isn't mutually exclusive. The reason I separate it out is because: the current Seferi plan (luring Toska back via an Elena/Nikos wedding) could not possibly be the original plan when Angeliki was first sent in. There's no way they could have foreseen all this feminization.

In my head, whatever the original plan was, I think of that as Joel's plan. All we really know about it is it involved sending in Angeliki, and eventually it was about overthrowing Toska.

There's no way it could have involved being shot by Seferi or feminizing Andrew.

As such, again in my head, Seferi's plan is what's been the most "on track". Initially, Seferi's plan and Joel's plan lined up: The two worked together to keep Andrew as Elena so that the wedding would happen. But it's clearly gone off those rails, because (if memory serves) part of the plan involves having Joel getting shot be blamed on Toska, which Joel clearly wasn't on board with.

And also, with these changes, can Joel even get what he wants now? The stereotype would be a criminal empire wouldn't follow a woman. Especially not one that's a step shy of looking like an absolute bimbo.

That's why I think of these as different plans. Seferi's was at some point aligned with Joel, but it's clearly diverged.
 
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To be clear: you've repeatedly mentioned Nikos' plan. But there's not really a "Nikos' plan" that pertains to Toska.

Right now, we have seen:

- Nikos' original proposal: The idea was that Andrew would dress up as Elena and help woo Toska so that Toska would think Nikos is a good "family man" and support the business deal. That was apparently the extent to the plan and (officially), the narrative keeps trying to convince us that he's completely not aware about all this other stuff happening. As such, he's heartbroken to learn that his niece's husband isn't actually madly in love with him. Effectively, this plan is already done, but has artificially been dragged out because Joel is a guest and they're keeping up appearances for Joel.

- Seferi's plan: Seferi's master plan is that apparently Toska must return to Greece for Nikos' wedding. When he arrives, Seferi has prepared evidence to get Toska locked up. For Seferi, his motivation is revenge. For Marina, Eva, and Sofia, they're participating with this plan because Elena has convinced them Toska is a danger to the family. One woman is more directly involved with Seferi on this plan, and currently we don't know her identity.

- Joel's plan: This is the one we know the least about currently. Somehow it involved Angeliki inserting herself close to the family. And somehow he thinks he can take advantage of knowing Elena is actually a man to be part of his plan. This plan is mostly derailed now that he's been feminized.

So regarding the plot you've laid out:

1) How is Joanna getting money out of this? If Toska is arrested, it's not like being Toska's daughter means she just instantly gets his money. Joel wanting Toska arrested would make sense as there's an opportunity to inherit the criminal connections and become top dog. But Joanna doesn't have that benefit.

2) Why does Joanna want money for Eva and Sofia anyway? Nikos is rich. Putting them in danger by involving Toska seems like a bad idea. Especially if she was keeping their parentage a secret, shouldn't she have tried to sabotage (or even tell Nikos) to not do this deal? They clearly don't need the money.

Also, this plot requires Toska (who we need to remind ourselves is so paranoid he ruined Seferi's families' lives over the discovery of Seferi having sex with men) to not notice his daughter is pregnant. With twins, apparently. And even before that, apparently not ever find out that she was dating Nikos.

I genuinely don't see how that works.
Nikos plan: fool Toska into believing he had a wife, using Andrew in disguise gut 1 night. Toska screws it up by dragging in negotiations and having Joel hang around. Nikos plan was, in hindsight, pretty piss poor. That's the "plan" I have referred to. And it definitely refers to Toska .

Joanna would not get money out if it. She seems well off and her motivation is getting something for her daughters who are at this point completely out if the loop in Toska's money. She would want to get them in.
Nikos is apparently weak they but that never.,ever stops people from wanting more. Nikos is trying to get a deal with Toska get more money. Dane fur his daughters.

Toska life in Albania, Nikos in Greece. There are innumerable ways His na could have hid this from her father that she may have lived far away from.

Chance are., I anm completely wrong on all or most of this, but I think you can make a very consistent argument for it; at least as much as any other idea right now
 

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I agree all of you but , why Melissa mentioned it has a "HAPPY ENDING". so , in which way happy ending and for whom?? And what is the meaning for Happ ending here ??? What I understand the MC is Andrew who is now Elina, his marriage is broken, he is tricked to become a Milf and a wife for a middle aged man and mother of two grown up (semi Evil,) daughter, merina is no way near with andrw anymore, so in which prospective it has happy ending,
I don't know much what did Andrew wrong for that he have to become like this ....

Experts please enlighten me !
 
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I agree all of you but , why Melissa mentioned it has a "HAPPY ENDING". so , in which way happy ending and for whom?? And what is the meaning for Happ ending here ??? What I understand the MC is Andrew who is now Elina, his marriage is broken, he is tricked to become a Milf and a wife for a middle aged man and mother of two grown up (semi Evil,) daughter, merina is no way near with andrw anymore, so in which prospective it has happy ending,
I don't know much what did Andrew wrong for that he have to become like this ....

Experts please enlighten me !
I sorta mentioned this earlier - Angelos says he is not canceling the planning fur the renewal ceremony despite Elena asking him to - I'm going with Angelos being right and that would seem to indicate that Nikos and Elena make up and come together. Ignoring a broken marriage and some other weird shit, that is, one can say, a happy ending. As opposed to Elena being no longer with Marina, no longer with Nikos, in a body 20 years older, and without much of anything, or anybody to be with.
Relativity!
 
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Maybe I'm not meant to be yacht-rich, but I never understood the desire of having a swimming pool floating on top of the sea.
I've never really understood the appeal of cruise ships either. Both cruise ships and megayachts are basically very slow-moving seaside resorts, only with way shittier facilities for the money. Why not just take your private jet to a real resort, get there way faster, and spend time in much nicer accommodations?
 

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I've never really understood the appeal of cruise ships either. Both cruise ships and megayachts are basically very slow-moving seaside resorts, only with way shittier facilities for the money. Why not just take your private jet to a real resort, get there way faster, and spend time in much nicer accommodations?
Cruise ships are weird to me too. They're E. coli harvesting all-you-can-eats on the sea. Or worse, one of those river cruises like they offer in Germany. A bunch of senior citizens chairdancing on the river Rhine. No thank you.

So we all agree whoever owns this mega yacht is just a prick, right? :sneaky:
 

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Or worse, one of those river cruises like they offer in Germany. A bunch of senior citizens chairdancing on the river Rhine. No thank you.

So we all agree whoever owns this mega yacht is just a prick, right? :sneaky:
As someone who lives in germany I hate how true this statement is. These cruises always give me the vibe of a "Kaffeefahrt" :KEK:
 

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Cruise ships are weird to me too. They're E. coli harvesting all-you-can-eats on the sea. Or worse, one of those river cruises like they offer in Germany. A bunch of senior citizens chairdancing on the river Rhine. No thank you.

So we all agree whoever owns this mega yacht is just a prick, right? :sneaky:
My vision of hell involves being stuck on a cruise ship for eternity.
 
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The new update for Aphrodite's Mirror, Chapter 26, Part 1 has been updated to the OP and can also be downloaded .
So this part came confirms that there are 2 separate, but partially mingled plots going on - seferi and Joel are out for revenge on Toska and their unknown semi partner wants revenge on Nikos. They are kinda , sorta working together. Said partner may seferi in jail. Seferi's son is also involved and has been "manipulated" by partner. seferi thinks Angeliki is wacko.

So Joanna was in jail, according to Joel; is she the partner? Do men and women coming in Greek jails? I have no idea. Who else? The bald cop? He's the right age and appeared out of nowhere but seemed to know Nikos, and somehow managed to get with Marina quick. Gjoka? I just don't see that, who knows?

Seferi's son: I'm betting on James. Seferi says his son was manipulated, mentions that Filip was unjustly attacked, and Filip seemed rather afraid of James. Also James got the job working at the hotel and could have been used to erase the Joanna tapes (if Joanna is the partner).

Eva and Sofia's mom? Still TBD. It would make sense that their mom might have a longstanding grudge against Nikos since their seems to be some story there that caused Nikos do go dark for decades.

It does seem that their birth and the Seferi story aren't connected, even though they seem to have happened at roughly the same time.
Unless they are,!

And Nikos seems to be exonerated! If you just forget about the whole fucking his niece' new husband on their honeymoon part.
 

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Now we're talking. Two plots, one against Toska and one against Nikos, working together. That's pretty interesting. Three big questions from this update: 1) Who is Eva and Sofia's mom? 2) Who is Seferi's other partner on the other end of the phone? 3) Who is Seferi's son?

I suspect that the answer to #1 and #2 is the same person: Joanna. She's obviously been plotting behind the scenes, and it would make sense that a spurned ex-lover of Nikos would want revenge on him. Also her being in jail for years would explain why Eva and Sofia seemingly don't have a mother, and it would also make sense for her to get plastic surgery on her face so that Nikos wouldn't recognize her.

So Joanna was in jail, according to Joel; is she the partner? Do men and women coming in Greek jails? I have no idea.
This is the part that doesn't quite fit. I don't think there are any countries where men and women are incarcerated together. Perhaps Seferi was speaking to Joanna's alleged (according to Joel) husband, Gjoka, and it's him who he met in prison and Joanna is working with both of them. Or, perhaps Joanna really is Giuseppe and was imprisoned as a man, and the bandages we see at the beginning of the story were from feminization surgery. Of course, if that's the case, she couldn't be the girls' biological mother...

Seferi's son: I'm betting on James. Seferi says his son was manipulated, mentions that Filip was unjustly attacked, and Filip seemed rather afraid of James. Also James got the job working at the hotel and could have been used to erase the Joanna tapes (if Joanna is the partner).
I feel like it's gotta be James. When James was first introduced I thought he was supposed to be a love interest for Marina, but that seems to have fizzled out. So if he's not a love interest, there must be some other reason he's in the story. Plus he's one of the few male characters of the appropriate age to be Seferi's son. It can't be Joel, obviously, since he's already been established as Seferi's nephew. It can't be Filip, since Seferi referred to him as "the driver" on the phone call. Stefanos seems unlikely, because that would mean Dimitra is Seferi's wife, and she seemed to know Eva and Sofia from 5 years ago which means she wasn't in prison like Seferi's wife was supposed to be. And then there's Andrew, which would be pretty crazy. We don't know anything about his parents, but I can't imagine Seferi treating his own son as he's treated "Mrs. Samaras". But it does at least seem semi-plausible that Andrew wouldn't recognize his father if he was imprisoned when Andrew was very young and then he was adopted into some American family.

And Nikos seems to be exonerated! If you just forget about the whole fucking his niece' new husband on their honeymoon part.
Yeah, the fact that someone else paid off the doctor seems to clear Nikos. It's possible that Andrew really could have walked away with some minor reversible procedures if not for that.
 
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Now we're talking. Two plots, one against Toska and one against Nikos, working together. That's pretty interesting. Three big questions from this update: 1) Who is Eva and Sofia's mom? 2) Who is Seferi's other partner on the other end of the phone? 3) Who is Seferi's son?

I suspect that the answer to #1 and #2 is the same person: Joanna. She's obviously been plotting behind the scenes, and it would make sense that a spurned ex-lover of Nikos would want revenge on him. Also her being in jail for years would explain why Eva and Sofia seemingly don't have a mother, and it would also make sense for her to get plastic surgery on her face so that Nikos wouldn't recognize her.


This is the part that doesn't quite fit. I don't think there are any countries where men and women are incarcerated together. Perhaps Seferi was speaking to Joanna's alleged (according to Joel) husband, Gjoka, and it's him who he met in prison and Joanna is working with both of them. Or, perhaps Joanna really is Giuseppe and was imprisoned as a man, and the bandages we see at the beginning of the story were from feminization surgery. Of course, if that's the case, she couldn't be the girls' biological mother...


I feel like it's gotta be James. When James was first introduced I thought he was supposed to be a love interest for Marina, but that seems to have fizzled out. So if he's not a love interest, there must be some other reason he's in the story. Plus he's one of the few male characters of the appropriate age to be Seferi's son. It can't be Joel, obviously, since he's already been established as Seferi's nephew. It can't be Filip, since Seferi referred to him as "the driver" on the phone call. Stefanos seems unlikely, because that would mean Dimitra is Seferi's wife, and she seemed to know Eva and Sofia from 5 years ago which means she wasn't in prison like Seferi's wife was supposed to be. And then there's Andrew, which would be pretty crazy. We don't know anything about his parents, but I can't imagine Seferi treating his own son as he's treated "Mrs. Samaras". But it does at least seem semi-plausible that Andrew wouldn't recognize his father if he was imprisoned when Andrew was very young and then he was adopted into some American family.


Yeah, the fact that someone else paid off the doctor seems to clear Nikos. It's possible that Andrew really could have walked away with some minor reversible procedures if not for that.
I would agree with basically all that .
It appears the Seferi was generally honest in what he told Elena - the Gjoka part is the only thing I am still suspicious of. And that kind of goes for Joel too.. I figured them for spinning a tall tale to lead her on, but I guess not. Seferi dust ever acknowledge he knew Elena was a fake, but otherwise...
And do you think Seferi showing Elena a photo of Andrew and his story that Toska is after Andrew is true? Or was he just trying to scare Elena into maintaining her act?
 

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Sofia an Eva are still acting super weird. Genuinely, why are they so obsessed with this idea of Elena and Nikos being "in love"? It's so far beyond just "keeping in character".

I suspect that the answer to #1 and #2 is the same person: Joanna. She's obviously been plotting behind the scenes, and it would make sense that a spurned ex-lover of Nikos would want revenge on him. Also her being in jail for years would explain why Eva and Sofia seemingly don't have a mother, and it would also make sense for her to get plastic surgery on her face so that Nikos wouldn't recognize her.
I think the part that throws me off the most is that

1) We have no real clue as to why anyone would want revenge against Nikos.

2) How the hell does any of this work as a revenge against Nikos?

Also, how has Joanna been "pushed everyone too hard"? After drugging Elena before the surgeries, Joanna's basically been a non-entity. Also, I wouldn't categorize anything she's done so far as a "mistake". So far, she's been the only one who has (through the shear will of the plot) happened to drug our protagonist in the exact way possible to get him feminized. If anything, Seferi's had way more mistakes.

So Joanna was in jail, according to Joel; is she the partner? Do men and women coming in Greek jails? I have no idea. Who else? The bald cop? He's the right age and appeared out of nowhere but seemed to know Nikos, and somehow managed to get with Marina quick. Gjoka? I just don't see that, who knows?
Seferi says he's known this person "since prison" but that doesn't necessarily mean they were cell mates or were in the same prison. This could be that during visiting hours, Seferi crossed paths with this person.

For example (and this is a HUGE stretch), if Eva was visiting someone else at the prison and met Seferi there.

I feel like it's gotta be James. When James was first introduced I thought he was supposed to be a love interest for Marina, but that seems to have fizzled out. So if he's not a love interest, there must be some other reason he's in the story.
The problem here is that the line "I see how you're manipulating even my son!" is super bizarre. We've never seen Joanna interact with James. If James is the son, then the closest person we'd consider being the one manipulating him would be Marina.

Going back to my previous "huge stretch", it is possible Marina is actually Seferi's daughter. Or Marina's father is Seferi's brother, the one that also got imprisoned. So Marina visiting her own father as a child could be where she first met Seferi.

This would also align with the young woman we see blurred out at the hospital and Marina talking about "finishing this" as taking her revenge. Plus, she's the only person "making moves" recently, which could be the "pushed everyone a little too hard".

That said, the language and writing doesn't support this. First, we go back to, why the hell do people want revenge on Nikos? Second, Marina is PISSED at Andrew for continuously being Elena. This isn't just dialogue we can dismiss as lies/acting.

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This is inner thoughts! She is livid about Andrew being Elena. You can't feminize your husband to honeytrap your Uncle and then also get pissed that it worked!

Also, it REALLY wouldn't make sense because Marina just torpedoed the wedding. Seferi wouldn't just be giving a warning, he'd be LIVID in that case. So I think we can rule out Marina.

Here are my rough thoughts:

Taken at face value, Seferi's partner could have been someone he first met in prison as a visitor (this means the person could be as young as a 4-5), or it means it's someone who went to jail and met Seferi there (so likely at least 18). So, the person we're looking for is at the youngest in their late twenties, or early 40s.

I would generally think the person that's Seferi's "real" partner is the blurred out girl at the hospital. That's the most "open" we've seen Seferi beyond Joel. This is really weird though because the phone call just does NOT sound like someone close to their partner in crime. It really comes across as an alliance of convenience. And that doesn't feel like something a grown man came up with a preteen girl.

So, this means the blurred girl is a misdirect. That blurring was just to hide how involved Marina/Eva/Sofia were getting (as I really don't think that image looks anything like Joanna).

My best guess is:

Phone call is with Gjoka. If James is Seferi's son, then the "meet cute" with Marina wasn't an accident, it was planned. Gjoka and James plotted to get Marina to fall for James (to get her away from Andrew and leave him helpless).

It didn't work. And all of a sudden, James visits Marina? Just in time for her to be out of the picture for Andrew to get way more extensive surgeries that were paid for?

Hence why Seferi's chewing him out. Yes he wanted Marina out of the picture, but bringing James here is a risk, and so he's upset.

Now there's a potential plot hole here: If the plan was for James to seduce Marina, it's a little weird for Gjoka to intimidate her while Seferi presents Andrew a picture of Gjoka. Because the only way this works then is that Marina comes back and talks to Andrew again to sell this "danger plot". But maybe that was the original plan: Prioritize selling the story, and maybe as a cherry on top, if Marina HAD slept with James before returning from her trip it would start a rift between them.

One thing does help close the story though: If Gjoka is Seferi's partner, then the possibiltiy that Toska isn't actually behind any of this rises considerably. This threat being manufactured works if Gjoka and Seferi are partners. And really works if Gjoka has beef with Nikos (even if we don't know what that beef is). Before, we'd always assumed Gjoka was in it for money. But if it's personal, going along such an insane plan does make more sense from a motivation standpoint.