Comics Collection Melissa N. Collection [2025-01-20] [Melissa N.]

[Thalantyr]

the Gjoka part is the only thing I am still suspicious of. And that kind of goes for Joel too.. I figured them for spinning a tall tale to lead her on, but I guess not. Seferi dust ever acknowledge he knew Elena was a fake, but otherwise...
And do you think Seferi showing Elena a photo of Andrew and his story that Toska is after Andrew is true? Or was he just trying to scare Elena into maintaining her act?

At this point I think Gjoka is probably working with Seferi, not Toska, and they were trying to scare Elena.

I think the part that throws me off the most is that

1) We have no real clue as to why anyone would want revenge against Nikos.

2) How the hell does any of this work as a revenge against Nikos?

Also, how has Joanna been "pushed everyone too hard"? After drugging Elena before the surgeries, Joanna's basically been a non-entity. Also, I wouldn't categorize anything she's done so far as a "mistake". So far, she's been the only one who has (through the shear will of the plot) happened to drug our protagonist in the exact way possible to get him feminized. If anything, Seferi's had way more mistakes.

We have to assume that feminization was not part of the original revenge plan. I think most of us agree that there's no way that a villain could have predicted Andrew's method acting "condition" (unless they're an omniscient goddess or an agent of said goddess), so Joanna couldn't have been trying to get Andrew to get deeper into character when she drugged him. If she's part of the revenge plot against Nikos, she was probably trying to expose Andrew as a man or simply sabotage the dinner in general. So this would be the first "mistake" that Seferi's talking about.

The problem here is that the line "I see how you're manipulating even my son!" is super bizarre. We've never seen Joanna interact with James. If James is the son, then the closest person we'd consider being the one manipulating him would be Marina.

This interaction could be something that will be shown in a flashback later on, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the interaction between Gjoka and James in the bar. Since Gjoka and Joanna are supposedly married, it's not much of a stretch to assume that they're working together in this revenge plot.

Going back to my previous "huge stretch", it is possible Marina is actually Seferi's daughter. Or Marina's father is Seferi's brother, the one that also got imprisoned. So Marina visiting her own father as a child could be where she first met Seferi.

He calls the person on the phone "my friend", so it seems unlikely that he's speaking to a member of his family.

My best guess is:

Phone call is with Gjoka. If James is Seferi's son, then the "meet cute" with Marina wasn't an accident, it was planned. Gjoka and James plotted to get Marina to fall for James (to get her away from Andrew and leave him helpless).

That's possible. I'm sort of lumping Joanna and Gjoka together as one entity in this theory so either of them being on the phone would fit.

 

[MyraTSF]

Or, perhaps Joanna really is Giuseppe and was imprisoned as a man, and the bandages we see at the beginning of the story were from feminization surgery. Of course, if that's the case, she couldn't be the girls' biological mother...

Reminds me of the Ace Ventura movie where Einhorn turned out to be Finkle the football player who turned himself into a woman (visually) to get revenge.

 

[rebirth095]

We have to assume that feminization was not part of the original revenge plan. I think most of us agree that there's no way that a villain could have predicted Andrew's method acting "condition" (unless they're an omniscient goddess or an agent of said goddess), so Joanna couldn't have been trying to get Andrew to get deeper into character when she drugged him. If she's part of the revenge plot against Nikos, she was probably trying to expose Andrew as a man or simply sabotage the dinner in general. So this would be the first "mistake" that Seferi's talking about.

That's possible. I'm sort of lumping Joanna and Gjoka together as one entity in this theory so either of them being on the phone would fit.

I think if we treat Joanna's actions as instructions by Gjoka, pieces to generally fall into place. Seferi says that nothing has gone according to plan. So it seems the plan was probably pretty simple originally.

Presumably, Seferi wants Toska to be in Greece to be arrested, so he needs a business excuse. Thus he teams up with his partner who wants to get revenge on Nikos. To that end, Joel plants Angeliki in with Nikos.

Joel is thinking selfishly here, but getting rid of Toska also helps his own goals, so he plays along with his Uncle.

NOTE: One "plot hole" here is that Nikos is connected with Toska through his accountant. This isn't too hard of a solve though, if Angeliki slept with the accountant or paid him off, etc.

Regardless, they set up the meet.

Now, I'm going to make the assumption that the original plan was to take out Toska right here and then. Honestly, I think what would have made the most sense is that the original plan was Joel, Toska, Nikos go to dinner, they get drugged, and Toska is framed for Nikos' murder, or vice versa.

In the original dinner, the only witness would have been Joel, and he's on Seferi's "side".

I have to assume no one could have anticipated Nikos suddenly showing up with a wife. So that's probably where the plot went off the rails.

Whether or not Joanna has motivations, she's in town with Gjoka. And one of the biggest mistakes here is "who the hell is this Elena woman?"

Joel realizes immediately that Elena is a man, probably texts Seferi to let him know the plan as it stands is off. There's now a witness and also something really odd happening.

Joanna is sent in. Either because of her plastic surgery, or because she's the only person that wouldn't be recognized by Nikos or Toska (if Gjoka wants revenge against Nikos, than presumably Nikos would recognize him). I just realized that while Marina saw Gjoka, but I can't find a panel where Andrew shares a picture with her so that they know they're seeing the same person. For some reason, I thought Andrew had a picture on his phone, but if he doesn't, that's actually good for this theory as this means he didn't have an easy way of showing Nikos a picture of Gjoka.

Regardless, she comes in, scopes out the situation, and figures she'll drug this new variable so that she doesn't torpedo the deal. That way, they have more time to figure out a plan.

From here, we're now on our current plan of using Elena to get Toska back for a second attempt.

I also completely forgot: Gjoka shows up at the salon to spook Elena, which prompts her memory loss. Now they didn't count on the memory loss, but I can totally see Seferi yelling at Gjoka for making a public daytime appearance. Especially if the whole point is that this is revenge against Nikos. Showing his face is a HUGE gamble.

 

[Stevedore100]

So with 2 separate revenge plots - each would have an action that caused the desire for the revenge and an action to get revenge.
For Toska, he framed Seferi and his family. The revenge currently seems to be to lure him back to Greece and frame him for attempted murder. Seferi shooting Joel was obviously not part of the original plan, so Rebirth's idea that maybe they originally planned to knock off Nikos and frame Toska seems a good alternative - Elena showing up foiled that

As for Nikos, we don't know what he did to cause the desire for revenge, or what the revenge plan is. Since there seems to be a big question about the mother and the circumstances of the birth, that seems a logical idea for whatever is driving the action.
And as to what is planned, very murky. New improved Joel seems key, but is he meant for Toska, or Nikos? He was originally team get Toska, but maybe he got traded. But does that make sense? These guys already know Nikos is pushing a phony wife story - they could blackmail/humiliate him with that - what does Nikos hooking up with Joel add? I think there's more to the revenge.

Finally Filip - it seems Filip was part of the (supposedly) fake car accident story, but Seferi has sympathy for what his team did to him, which is not the accident, and he does not ike James. And he was bruised when he drove Elena when she went to meet Dimitra . And Marina had some juicy Filip gossip she never got to explain.
It's apparently important but really unclear

 

[rebirth095]

As for Nikos, we don't know what he did to cause the desire for revenge, or what the revenge plan is. Since there seems to be a big question about the mother and the circumstances of the birth, that seems a logical idea for whatever is driving the action.

To be honest, I feel like this is the one that's most "dangerous" to speculate on. In order to tie the story together, you would normally think that the mystery behind the mother would tie best into the mystery of wanting revenge. But we've had so little to even suggest that Nikos could have a mortal enemy, that it's really hard to speculate reasonably.

Let's note: When presented with this idea that Toska is dangerous, think back to how nonchalant Nikos and the daughters are. None of them seem to instinctively become more paranoid. Not a single hint of "Oh shit! Is this my past coming back to haunt me?"

If intentional, then I could argue that this suggest the revenge is "one sided". To me, that limits the possible ways the biological mother could be involved. If she was a scorned lover, you'd think that would be something the family would be paranoid about.

But if not intentional, then it opens the possibilities more. I will say, the recent info that Nikos had the daughters study abroad would kind of be hinting that there's room for Nikos to be aware of the skeletons in his closet. But to me, that makes no sense why he'd bring them back to Greece...

 

[misseva88]

We have to assume that feminization was not part of the original revenge plan. I think most of us agree that there's no way that a villain could have predicted Andrew's method acting "condition" (unless they're an omniscient goddess or an agent of said goddess), so Joanna couldn't have been trying to get Andrew to get deeper into character when she drugged him. If she's part of the revenge plot against Nikos, she was probably trying to expose Andrew as a man or simply sabotage the dinner in general. So this would be the first "mistake" that Seferi's talking about.

It feels very weird to have a feminisation story starting in November 2019 running for well over 5 years featuring a long-planned revenge plot in which the feminisation just happens accidentally.

Even for Elenas feminisation to be just an afterthought by now, would it not make more sense for a feminisation story to at least make that an important plan of that revenge plot?

 

[rebirth095]

It feels very weird to have a feminisation story starting in November 2019 running for well over 5 years featuring a long-planned revenge plot in which the feminisation just happens accidentally.

Even for Elenas feminisation to be just an afterthought by now, would it not make more sense for a feminisation story to at least make that an important plan of that revenge plot?

I don't think that's necessarily true: The feminization may not have been the original conspiracy, but it is absolutely a key part of the current plot. Now, is it well integrated into the current plot? Certainly debatable. Generally, that's a common problem in feminization stories. They all need to justify that feminization is a reasonable solution to the problem the story is proposing. And that seldom completely holds up under scrutiny.

But I don't really find it odd that a feminization story has a conspiracy that kicked off the story where the feminization itself wasn't part of the original conspiracy. Many stories have a conspiracy, and then a wrench is thrown into the conspiracy that could not have been accounted for. In this case, the wrench is a person getting feminized.

For me, it's a bit like movies featuring a heist. Many of them are from the thieves perspectives, and we're seeing the planning and execution. But just as valid is where there's a heist that took years to plan, but the story is following the former spy/cop/assassin/etc that happens to be there and we're following this action plot.

I think a very valid criticism of Mirror is whether this still feels like a feminization story. Not considering Joel for a second, this story is coming close to 2000 pages and we haven't really touched upon the feminzation for over half of that. With slight rewrites, this could easily be pitched as a story about a transwoman who gets caught up in a conspiracy. I'm almost thinking about it similar to how a "sci-fi movie" can mean two things: It can be a movie with a sci-fi asthetic. Or it can be a movie with sci-fi themes.

To me, Mirror is a mystery story with a feminization aesthetic. And I totally get where that can be unsatisfying. Feminization as a genre usually comes with the expectation of transformation through a series of changes and a well thought out process. That is very compatible with conspiracies or plot threads about intricate schemes. I like that Melissa challenged herself and try to write a feminization mystery story. But I think we can all see that a side effect is that the feminization can feel inconsequential.
And with how long Mirror is, we've had a huge amount of pages since the last time the feminization mattered. If this was a short, and only 40 pages, then only having 50% of the content be feminization wouldn't feel nearly as odd, as at least you'd only be ~10-15 pages since the last feminization page. But here, we're in the hundreds since it was a focal point.

 

[misseva88]

I don't think that's necessarily true: The feminization may not have been the original conspiracy, but it is absolutely a key part of the current plot. Now, is it well integrated into the current plot? Certainly debatable. Generally, that's a common problem in feminization stories. They all need to justify that feminization is a reasonable solution to the problem the story is proposing. And that seldom completely holds up under scrutiny.

But I don't really find it odd that a feminization story has a conspiracy that kicked off the story where the feminization itself wasn't part of the original conspiracy. Many stories have a conspiracy, and then a wrench is thrown into the conspiracy that could not have been accounted for. In this case, the wrench is a person getting feminized.

For me, it's a bit like movies featuring a heist. Many of them are from the thieves perspectives, and we're seeing the planning and execution. But just as valid is where there's a heist that took years to plan, but the story is following the former spy/cop/assassin/etc that happens to be there and we're following this action plot.

I think a very valid criticism of Mirror is whether this still feels like a feminization story. Not considering Joel for a second, this story is coming close to 2000 pages and we haven't really touched upon the feminzation for over half of that. With slight rewrites, this could easily be pitched as a story about a transwoman who gets caught up in a conspiracy. I'm almost thinking about it similar to how a "sci-fi movie" can mean two things: It can be a movie with a sci-fi asthetic. Or it can be a movie with sci-fi themes.

To me, Mirror is a mystery story with a feminization aesthetic. And I totally get where that can be unsatisfying. Feminization as a genre usually comes with the expectation of transformation through a series of changes and a well thought out process. That is very compatible with conspiracies or plot threads about intricate schemes. I like that Melissa challenged herself and try to write a feminization mystery story. But I think we can all see that a side effect is that the feminization can feel inconsequential.
And with how long Mirror is, we've had a huge amount of pages since the last time the feminization mattered. If this was a short, and only 40 pages, then only having 50% of the content be feminization wouldn't feel nearly as odd, as at least you'd only be ~10-15 pages since the last feminization page. But here, we're in the hundreds since it was a focal point.

We don't see the planning of the heist in a movie like Spike Lee's Inside Man, but at least we see the heist in our heist movie. We don't call it a World War 2 film because (spoilers, I guess) the heist is partially orchestrated to highlight documents proving a war crime during World War 2. That's basically what is happening in Mirror though.

Someone took 20 years to plan revenge on Nikos and their best idea was to feminise his nephew in law when he happened to show up, who magically embraced the transformation and lost himself in her pumps. That's the plan? I get coming up with interesting reasons to get the feminisation going can be difficult, but for a story running for well over five years that's something.

I maintain (at least) one of Nikos' daughters isn't biologically his and instead they're Seferi's who Nikos adopted when he went to jail, so he wants to take revenge for that. That's why the girls are so firm on feminising Elena and keeping up that charade. They're a driving force behind the feminisation. But to what goal? Humiliate Nikos? How? Why did they pay for that surgery? How is that revenge? And did they wait 20 years until some unemployed actor stumbles into their doorstep so they can feminise him? Is that why they work in a salon in the first place? It's all so very far-fetched. And the one thing I feel shouldn't feel far-fetched in all this is the feminisation of all of it.

 

[Stevedore100]

I see the plot of Aphrodite's mirror being a fairly standard tg plot- protagonist agrees to a silly one off dress up, complications ensure and he falls deeper into the disguise with no way out. The revenge schemes are ancillary to that but help drive it along. And, as noted, the feminization parts have been pretty much ignored for large chunks of time. We have slowly seen Elena becoming more immersed into her role as the sexy wife, but that's about it until the Joel part.

We don't know for sure, but it appears very likely that the revenge schemes had no intention to involve feminization at the start - we still don't know why someone paid for the extensive surgery on Andrew, but it seems like more of an act of opportunity. And similar with Joel - Seferi seems to day that shooting Joel and subsequent surgery was only because their plan was getting messed up.

I think the ambition here was to try to create a mystery that stood on its own beyond the feminization angle. I give Melissa a lot if credit for that. Execution wise it has so e challenges that maybe reflect a little too much ambition,crediting in it being confusing and too opaque quite often - attempts to give clues often just made it more confusing rather than providing some clarity.

 

[Mask@02]

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[misseva88]

I am thinking of starting part-time NSFW content creating on patreon but unable to decide which software should I use like Virt-A-Mate, Koikatsu, Blender or some other software. I wanted to create content like Red Bread or Junior Gohan which create comic then a video following it or create both SFW and NSFW video. So can anyone suggest me how to start this part-time gig for some more money on side.

Don't create something and share it via the internet with the primary intention to make money. Create something as a hobby and if you're lucky people may be willing to share some of their coins with you. Treat it as a hobby first and foremost. If you're lucky you'll gather an audience interested in your work and build from there.

I think the ambition here was to try to create a mystery that stood on its own beyond the feminization angle. I give Melissa a lot if credit for that. Execution wise it has so e challenges that maybe reflect a little too much ambition,crediting in it being confusing and too opaque quite often - attempts to give clues often just made it more confusing rather than providing some clarity.

The ambition is great and it has garnered a lot of hype. Combined with the previous forum we're speculating for probably thousands of posts which keeps her story very much alive. Maybe the story has grown a bit out of Melissas hands and she has difficulties reeling it back in, which would explain some of the exposition dump updates. It is a beast of a story by now. I hope she's planned everything out and she knows how to bring the story home eventually.

 

[rebirth095]

Someone took 20 years to plan revenge on Nikos and their best idea was to feminise his nephew in law when he happened to show up, who magically embraced the transformation and lost himself in her pumps. That's the plan?

I think that's important to distinguish: Their plan never involved feminization. The feminized nephew showing up derailed the plan. Our current story is showing the improvisation after the original plan fell apart.

That's why I describe this as a mystery story that has some feminization themes. Objectively, feminization occurs in the story. But the way it's written, to put it bluntly, it isn't very satisfying as a feminization story. Like imagine we had an action movie, and the main character was a gay man and we were shown some scenes of his relationship with his husband. Technically, it's an LGBT movie, but if it's written to focus on the action, than it's really just an action movie where the main character happens to be gay (and thus, doesn't touch on themes that a story focused on LGBT lives would have).

But to what goal? Humiliate Nikos? How? Why did they pay for that surgery? How is that revenge? And did they wait 20 years until some unemployed actor stumbles into their doorstep so they can feminise him? Is that why they work in a salon in the first place? It's all so very far-fetched. And the one thing I feel shouldn't feel far-fetched in all this is the feminisation of all of it.

Frankly, that's why this is all evidence to suggest that the feminization was never the original plan of the conspirators. The ONLY way the conspirators could have factored in the feminization is:

1) Marina is in on it.

2) Nikos is in on it.

Especially now that we know the plot is to get revenge ON Nikos, it makes no sense for Nikos to be on it. So, unless you want to argue that Marina knew Nikos AND Andrew so well that if she got them into a room together, Nikos would randomly suggest for Andrew to crossdress, and Andrew would agree and immediately get lost in the role, then the only reasonable conclusion is that feminization was never part of the plan.

If that makes the plot unsatisfying, I can totally understand. A huge part of the plot are excuses set up to keep Andrew feminized. It makes the feminization feel like it's the goal of the conspiracy. But with the new information we're getting, the picture we're painting is that the feminization is an improvised step towards an entirely different goal. And that can feel unsatisfying because that means the characters we're following aren't actually characters involved in the plot. They're just a plot devices.

Which then goes back to all our discussions about the ending. So... Nikos apparently has made enemies in the past. We've hyped up this wedding, but Nikos knows its a farce, and Andrew has been leading Nikos on. Andrew is apparently going to learn details about the Mother that is supposed to change his mind... But is anyone here rooting for that? Like... it's really freaking weird the more I think about it, but Nikos is being compared to Toska when it comes to getting revenge.

We're not talking about a situation where maybe Nikos did something selfish that kinda screwed over another person but generally you wouldn't consider him a "villain". No! Nikos is being put on the same level as Toska! Maybe Seferi is just that selfish that he's willing to condemn a "good" man just to get his revenge, but there's something really off to me about the whole "let's team up and take revenge on the men who wronged us", and the two men are Toska and Nikos.

 

[LadyBoyJay]

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As far as the recent revenge theories about Seferi are concerned, I hope we get a logical reason for why he isn't taking direct action himself. I'm going to feel like Dr. Evil's son if it turns out that it would have just been simpler for him to have killed Toska when he had the chance.


However, I'm still not convinced that Toska is the villain of the story. It feels more like Joanna/Theodora is the real puppet master. Maybe she's a crazy, manipulative, master of disguise, who's out for revenge against her father (Toska) and her ex-lover (Nikos). Maybe Gjoka and Seferi have just been manipulated into working with her. I guess her main motives would be revenge, money (from her father's empire), and maybe getting her daughters back. We'd need a good explanation for why Nikos wouldn't know about Toska being the grandfather of his children. It's plausible though. It still feels like we are missing some pieces of the story puzzle. However, if this convoluted revenge plot is the work of a psychopath, it would seem more realistic.

 

[misseva88]

I think that's important to distinguish: Their plan never involved feminization. The feminized nephew showing up derailed the plan. Our current story is showing the improvisation after the original plan fell apart.

That's why I describe this as a mystery story that has some feminization themes. Objectively, feminization occurs in the story. But the way it's written, to put it bluntly, it isn't very satisfying as a feminization story. Like imagine we had an action movie, and the main character was a gay man and we were shown some scenes of his relationship with his husband. Technically, it's an LGBT movie, but if it's written to focus on the action, than it's really just an action movie where the main character happens to be gay (and thus, doesn't touch on themes that a story focused on LGBT lives would have).

They threw away their 'plan' in favour of the feminization. That's why they paid for the continuing and irreversible feminization. Decades of planning and they thought this was a better way. This is about as thoughtful as Benioff & Weiss' interpretation of the Dornish Plan.

I think Melissa is scared to show her hands because the mystery is what drives the conversation. Once the explanations are given, what are we going to talk about here? Just look at the (lack of) conversation surrounding Sweet Change. So it may still be a feminization story in the end. It's just not driving the story and like you say: it's just not very satisfying. I thought the story was one where the feminization is at the heart of the story. Oh well. We'll see where Melissa takes it.

Frankly, that's why this is all evidence to suggest that the feminization was never the original plan of the conspirators. The ONLY way the conspirators could have factored in the feminization is:

1) Marina is in on it.

2) Nikos is in on it.

Especially now that we know the plot is to get revenge ON Nikos, it makes no sense for Nikos to be on it. So, unless you want to argue that Marina knew Nikos AND Andrew so well that if she got them into a room together, Nikos would randomly suggest for Andrew to crossdress, and Andrew would agree and immediately get lost in the role, then the only reasonable conclusion is that feminization was never part of the plan.

If that makes the plot unsatisfying, I can totally understand. A huge part of the plot are excuses set up to keep Andrew feminized. It makes the feminization feel like it's the goal of the conspiracy. But with the new information we're getting, the picture we're painting is that the feminization is an improvised step towards an entirely different goal. And that can feel unsatisfying because that means the characters we're following aren't actually characters involved in the plot. They're just a plot devices.

Which then goes back to all our discussions about the ending. So... Nikos apparently has made enemies in the past. We've hyped up this wedding, but Nikos knows its a farce, and Andrew has been leading Nikos on. Andrew is apparently going to learn details about the Mother that is supposed to change his mind... But is anyone here rooting for that? Like... it's really freaking weird the more I think about it, but Nikos is being compared to Toska when it comes to getting revenge.

We're not talking about a situation where maybe Nikos did something selfish that kinda screwed over another person but generally you wouldn't consider him a "villain". No! Nikos is being put on the same level as Toska! Maybe Seferi is just that selfish that he's willing to condemn a "good" man just to get his revenge, but there's something really off to me about the whole "let's team up and take revenge on the men who wronged us", and the two men are Toska and Nikos.

Eva and Sophie are the driving force behind the feminization. They may have just waited for an opportunity to give Nikos a way to relive his favourite memory of a crossdresser posing as his girl to humiliate him. The daughters are the reason Joel is feminized as well. They just saw an other opportunity and went for it again. They didn't specifically need Marina at all. Nikos likes his women to be born as men, so he doesn't need a lot of convincing.

 

[Stevedore100]

They threw away their 'plan' in favour of the feminization. That's why they paid for the continuing and irreversible feminization. Decades of planning and they thought this was a better way. This is about as thoughtful as Benioff & Weiss' interpretation of the Dornish Plan.

I think Melissa is scared to show her hands because the mystery is what drives the conversation. Once the explanations are given, what are we going to talk about here? Just look at the (lack of) conversation surrounding Sweet Change. So it may still be a feminization story in the end. It's just not driving the story and like you say: it's just not very satisfying. I thought the story was one where the feminization is at the heart of the story. Oh well. We'll see where Melissa takes it.


Eva and Sophie are the driving force behind the feminization. They may have just waited for an opportunity to give Nikos a way to relive his favourite memory of a crossdresser posing as his girl to humiliate him. The daughters are the reason Joel is feminized as well. They just saw an other opportunity and went for it again. They didn't specifically need Marina at all. Nikos likes his women to be born as men, so he doesn't need a lot of convincing.

A few parts ago, I was pretty set on at least one of the daughters being involved - that fuzzy panel at the hospital with Seferi seemed to be one of them. Based on subsequent pages, I am now pretty well convinced it was Angeliki. I think the daughters are actually still convinced this is all reversible. They just seem to want dad to be happy and are convinced that he and Elena will work out their spat. Early in into the story they were kind of hard asses on Elena, but know they just seem to want to drink, sunbathe and assure Elena it will all work out just fine, and I tempted to believe them .

 

[rebirth095]

They threw away their 'plan' in favour of the feminization. That's why they paid for the continuing and irreversible feminization.

I really didn't get that impression at all from the recent dialogue. It really reads to me that there was a plan, and it went wrong, and so they're improvising as they go (and one of those improvisations is feminizing Andrew):



But to a certain extent, intent is a bit of semantics. At this point, yes: they are banking on Elena marrying Nikos to get revenge on Toska. Which is a dumb plan. No disputing that.

I think Melissa is scared to show her hands because the mystery is what drives the conversation. Once the explanations are given, what are we going to talk about here? Just look at the (lack of) conversation surrounding Sweet Change.

I mean, the biggest problem with Sweet Change is that the people who post here the most have basically all said that Sweet Change doesn't interest them (combination of not being into weight gain, not having an interesting transformation mechanism, uninteresting characters/unoriginal plot, etc).

But that said, the engagement might be fun for us but it's not exactly beneficial for Melissa. She's not getting add revenue for people tuning into each part, and it's not like us talking about it here or on the discord is getting new patreons. Best case scenario, people want to "see how it ends" so they'll stay subscribed. But that was true of her text stories that took a long time to finish too.

Maybe she enjoys reading theories about it. But if I was in her position, it wouldn't be engagement that would cause me not to show my hand. A lot of how this has been playing out reminds me of the arc most amateur mystery writers go through. Writers want to have their big "tada" moment. But being good at the craft means that you need to set it up, other wise it feels like it's just pulled from your ass. That's a difficult tightrope, especially as your audience grows and people put things together. So you end up being vague, to the point of being almost comical.

If a story has a good plot and good characters, there would be plenty to talk about without having to speculate on a mystery. Or hell, if a feminization story actually had some innovative feminization, I'm sure we'd all be thrilled to discuss that!

They didn't specifically need Marina at all.

I'm talking about the idea that Andrew's feminization was pre-planned and was the original plot. Andrew is only here because of his honeymoon with Marina, which was by Nikos' invitation. Everything that's been revealed recently is pointing to the idea that everything involving Elena was not "Plan A".

That's why I also don't think the feminization of Andrew is meant to be the revenge against Nikos. Seferi and his partner were already planning their revenge. They are teaming up because they both feel strongly about getting revenge and helping each other to do so. We see no evidence that the partner hates Toska, nor Seferi hating Nikos. We're borderline doing a "strangers on a train" story.

But strangers on a train doesn't have one person's revenge be killing a person, and the other posting nudes to humiliate them on social media. The whole point is working with a conspirator that's getting your hands just as dirty because you've both been wronged an equivalent amount.

I really don't see how Seferi wanting to get Toska imprisoned for life, is anywhere on the same level of "humiliate Nikos". Now, if the focus was discrediting Nikos, I could see that to a certain extent. I mean, having the tabloids post that Nikos is fucking his niece's husband is pretty embarrassing, and could ruin his hotel business. That's more equivalent to the revenge Seferi is seeking.

If that was the goal, I'd presume they already have photos of the sex, and so that plot would basically be all set. Actually, as I type this out, I think I am onboard with this idea: I could see a scenario where Joanna was originally meant to seduce Nikos and get compromising pictures. Then "Elena" shows up and for the "revenge against Nikos", they figure this is a much more compromising situation.

There's still some leaps in logic, but other stuff feels like it would make more sense. Like, they might have paid off the Doctor to do more extreme surgeries, but from an outside perspective, all that people would see is that Nikos's family had a bunch of extreme feminization surgery done on Marina's husband.