VN Ren'Py Memories [v0.2] [Deviloper]

[PewPewMasterrrrr]

https://f95zone.to/threads/memories-v0-2-deviloper.229046/post-16075422

We're discussing the future and our support for this POV
After all, 80% of popular games in this genre include this POV. I could name numerous well-known games in this genre that feature it because it's ultimately necessary, unless the player is a masochist who doesn't want to see the FMC's justifications and prefers to suffer in the dark.

 

[Joshy92]

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We're discussing the future and our support for this POV
After all, 80% of popular games in this genre include this POV. I could name numerous well-known games in this genre that feature it because it's ultimately necessary, unless the player is a masochist who doesn't want to see the FMC's justifications and prefers to suffer in the dark.

It's not necessary, and FMC games always treat the woman like a slut or cum dump with no respect to choices or branching.

 

[Firaxius]

It's not necessary, and FMC games always treat the woman like a slut or cum dump with no respect to choices or branching.

That the problem porn brought with, almost every porn movie is based on women who are cum dumps and it no better in VN world, ofcourse there are loving and respectful vn too, but those involving Harem, NTR, Bulls, Corruption meters, it all made to make women depraved easy cum sluts.

 

[PewPewMasterrrrr]

It's not necessary, and FMC games always treat the woman like a slut or cum dump with no respect to choices or branching.

This depends on player choices and developer decisions, not on seeing the POV.
Whether you see this POV or not, those events will still occur.

 

[ItsNotUs]

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We're discussing the future and our support for this POV
After all, 80% of popular games in this genre include this POV. I could name numerous well-known games in this genre that feature it because it's ultimately necessary, unless the player is a masochist who doesn't want to see the FMC's justifications and prefers to suffer in the dark.

https://f95zone.to/threads/memories-v0-2-deviloper.229046/post-16075342

If we take NTR projects where it is possible to see two perspectives, i first always play the MMC perspective for Mistery NTR and then the FMC perspective to see the events from her point of view and the sex scenes!
When the dev knows how to manipulate perspectives, then in the MMC pesp. it seems to you that something happened (mystery NTR), but when playing FMC you will find out the truth!

 

[PewPewMasterrrrr]

https://f95zone.to/threads/memories-v0-2-deviloper.229046/post-16075342

If we take NTR projects where it is possible to see two perspectives, i first always play the MMC perspective for Mistery NTR and then the FMC perspective to see the events from her point of view and the sex scenes!
When the dev knows how to manipulate perspectives, then in the MMC pesp. it seems to you that something happened (mystery NTR), but when playing FMC you will find out the truth!

So we're in agreement then, and we both want this POV
You misunderstood my point, I never suggested showing Nicole's POV before the MC's.
The best approach would be to allow players to view the day's events from Nicole's perspective after the day is complete, similar to popular games like Perfect Marriage, Exploring the Big Apple, and others.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

deviloper
Thanks man
Best News Possible: Experiencing Nicole's POV!
This is fantastic for multiple reasons, including witnessing her hot dialogues, hot thoughts, and hot scenes from her perspective
For those who prefer to skip Nicole's POV, it's as simple as that - just skip it and your concern is resolved!

This is unfortunate news, and suggests the fundamental flow and story beats will be very different from what I thought it would be. That's the worst part of including a female pov in any game, unlike individual scenes which can be chosen or not chosen, this style fundamentally changes the design ethos of a game.

Make no mistake, any inclusion of "Meanwhile, from her POV" is hard turn towards out of sight cheating/ntr themes as it literally serves no purpose in other genres. With the first release this game drew heavily on ntr/cheating themes, but then with the second it progressed more towards swinging or cuckqueen themes. In my mind that's what this debate is really about.

When you say you could "name numerous games in this genre that feature this theme", you're talking about the the hard ntr genre, not the more couple-focused genre this appeared to be in the second update.

It's not necessary, and FMC games always treat the woman like a slut or cum dump with no respect to choices or branching.

Exactly, "female pov" is just shorthand for "slut-em-up-fem-protag snoozefest". It's not like games include a female pov to show her crocheting or going to spin class.

 

[Enlight432]

It appears those who disagree with Nicole's perspective are concerned about potentially damaging her personality and transforming her into a devalued character, and destroying the sexual tension stemming from ambiguity
However, we can maintain all aspects simultaneously - Nicole's personality remains entirely under developer control, allowing them to showcase her perspective while letting our choices determine the extent of her character development
Regarding the mysterious NTR element, we could initially present the POV from the MC's perspective for a one-few days, then offer players the option to experience Nicole's viewpoint if they choose to do so
When we can have everything together, why limit ourselves to just one aspect? It's similar to how I run both Windows and Linux, switching between them as needed, without sacrificing either one for the other

 

[ItsNotUs]

So we're in agreement then, and we both want this POV
You misunderstood my point, I never suggested showing Nicole's POV before the MC's.
The best approach would be to allow players to view the day's events from Nicole's perspective after the day is complete, similar to popular games like Perfect Marriage, Exploring the Big Apple, and others.

It appears those who disagree with Nicole's perspective are concerned about potentially damaging her personality and transforming her into a devalued character, and destroying the sexual tension stemming from ambiguity
However, we can maintain all aspects simultaneously - Nicole's personality remains entirely under developer control, allowing them to showcase her perspective while letting our choices determine the extent of her character development
Regarding the mysterious NTR element, we could initially present the POV from the MC's perspective for a one-few days, then offer players the option to experience Nicole's viewpoint if they choose to do so
When we can have everything together, why limit ourselves to just one aspect? It's similar to how I run both Windows and Linux, switching between them as needed, without sacrificing either one for the other

I'm all for it, there won’t be any talk like before about the fact that she already cheated on MC in a club with a black colleague and ect., but it all depends on the development time! Make an update from the two perspectives its up in two or even three times as long!
Another thing is that what the dev is hinting at is not Nicole’s full-fledged perspective, but only those moments when she tells MC on the NTS path about her adventures - well, or her small perspective on the NTR path, since MC doesn’t know anything about it - but only time will tell how will it be done!

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

When we can have everything together, why limit ourselves to just one aspect? It's similar to how I run both Windows and Linux, switching between them as needed, without sacrificing either one for the other

The better analogy would be how when some AAA games announce a release on both windows and mobile platforms, there's pushback from game fans as they know although 2 platforms offer more ways to play the game, designing with a mobile version in mind often fundamentally changes the gameplay for the worse [in their eyes].

 

[Dessolos]

I haven't played this yet but from some things I skimmed. I will say I love it when NTR / NTS games have both MC and FMC POV but with choices and not one that turns her into a FMC game rather than a sharing game. ( slut sim). Now when sharing starts to happen I don't mind letting her be a little lose and given options to be a little more open and slutty with choices even if it's from the FMC pov. As long as it respects the MC's boundaries for the sharing / open relationship as I wouldn't want to make her cheat on him either given the choice and if she does I would want to be able to be honest and tell him about it.

 

[packard1928]

was there a teaser released with the update ? As for the announcement. I think seeing Nicole point of view would be benificial. I would like to see her thoughts on what her husband has now asked for in the marriage. As this progresses she will have very different thoughts to what he may have. Could be fun.

 

[Filipis]

I kinda agree with the Nicole-POV haters, but only in the sense that the Nicole-POV is forced on all.

This means that those who wish to maintain that MC-only POV (and the resulting "what is she doing?" mystery aspect) now get their mystery immersion broken, for no reason.

Should've been, at the very least, made avoidable.

 

[packard1928]

From what I read the dev is not going to make this a big part of the game ???

 

[OgiWogi]

well rather have the female pov than thinking what happened at the club when she went out with the guy or what she whispered in the speed dating with the guy kissing her than beeing in suspense and wondering what went down,again SadPepper had a good thing in Exploring the big apple with fem pov so i think its refereshing

 

[Dessolos]

well rather have the female pov than thinking what happened at the club when she went out with the guy or what she whispered in the speed dating with the guy kissing her than beeing in suspense and wondering what went down,again SadPepper had a good thing in Exploring the big apple with fem pov so i think its refereshing

even so that game has issues with it's to damn repetitive, but I do agree it's nice and refreshing when it's done well.

 

[packard1928]

so we'll have to see how he dev does it.... could be good... could not. I hope is is done well.

 

[OgiWogi]

even so that game has issues with it's to damn repetitive, but I do agree it's nice and refreshing when it's done well.

yes but on the cheating path you have some nice pov and not repetative from the female so yeah its refreshing,if you play those paths ofcourse

 

[packard1928]

If we had her view we may have know what she was thinking at the speed dating. .. She was cautious in the beginning. THen the dude put his hand on hers. She leaves to go ( maybe ) to the bathroom...he follows . They talk in a hallway . one side she seems kinda pissed at him and walks off. The others she kisses him and she even lets him feel her up a bit. Some of those thoughts may have given us a mindset on her. (Just my thought

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

If we had her view we may have know what she was thinking at the speed dating. .. She was cautious in the beginning. THen the dude put his hand on hers. She leaves to go ( maybe ) to the bathroom...he follows . They talk in a hallway . one side she seems kinda pissed at him and walks off. The others she kisses him and she even lets him feel her up a bit. Some of those thoughts may have given us a mindset on her. (Just my thought

but in any decent couples/swing/relationship game I'd want them to converse about this anyway - that's another way one can incorporate the "what was she thinking/doing" without resorting to the "mEaNwHiLe....."