VN Ren'Py Memories [v0.3] [Deviloper]

[Radnos Salazar]

I'm still slightly hungover, so I might be missing some stuff here, but let's see if I've got this right:

People don't want endings that leave you wanting more and get you excited for the next update, instead they want everything wrapped up in a nice little bow, and also for there to never be any interruptions to sex scenes (presumably because that's no allowed in some secret dev handbook or something?). And people want to complain about how things play out, and the results of choices they do or do not make, even though they've not yet played to find out what those choices are, which they will pick, and how indeed the game will therefore play out.

Did I miss anything? Personally, I can't wait to play the update, and comment on what actually happens, not what I think might happen based on what I've pieced together from comments by other people who may have made different choices to mine.

Cool....you are entitled to your own opinion. Waiting 3-4 months to see what happens on the Non NTR route with a cliffhanger suggesting FMC getting involved with something is hurting the non NTR route whether you want to admit it or not.
And this supposed ending on the non ntr route leaves no one "Wanting More", it can on the NTR routes ofcourse. People dont want anything in wrapped in a bow either, you just completely missed the point.
And people do not need to play to comment on something, when someone else has played already and leaked the ending, we can be understanding enough to know what is going to happen.
Once i play the game, make all the non NTR choices and if i get a scene which is not a cliffhanger suggesting if FMC did something with another man or not, then i would admit it and take all these words back.

 

[TonyMurray]

Cool....you are entitled to your own opinion. Waiting 3-4 months to see what happens on the Non NTR route with a cliffhanger suggesting FMC getting involved with something is hurting the non NTR route whether you want to admit it or not.
And this supposed ending on the non ntr route leaves no one "Wanting More", it can on the NTR routes ofcourse. People dont want anything in wrapped in a bow either, you just completely missed the point.
And people do not need to play to comment on something, when someone else has played already and leaked the ending, we can be understanding enough to know what is going to happen.
Once i play the game, make all the non NTR choices and if i get a scene which is not a cliffhanger suggesting if FMC did something with another man or not, then i would admit it and take all these words back.

I don't see that it would hurt the non-NTR route, unless she actually did do something with the other guy. You get teases all the time in these games where on the loyal route you think something is happening and it turns out it's not your wife but some random other woman, or it was something genuinely innocent but just looked or sounded suspicious from behind a closed door, or whatever.

The way I see it (and I know it's not the way you see it, and that's fine), you have two scenarios, if this cliffhanger is something that plays out on all paths (which from the dev's comments, it sounds like it doesn't, or at least won't once an erroneous flag is corrected). In the NTR path, you have the suspense of will she/won't she, and the thrill of viewing the scene from either (or both) POVs. On the loyal path, you should know that nothing will happen, because it's the loyal path and that's not going to suddenly diverge into NTR unless you've made choices to make that happen. Therefore, any such cliffhanger would leave me wanting to see what was actually going on and having that sort of second-hand relief, when you find out that your wife wasn't actually doing anything with another guy. So yeah, it would definitely leave me wanting more, because I'd want the resolution of the scene, whichever path I was on, and the wait just builds suspense, and it's a valid narrative tool.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Is everyone talking about the recently released update which isn't here yet, corrrect?

 

[TonyMurray]

Is everyone talking about the recently released update which isn't here yet, corrrect?

Yep!

 

[Eleanorduval]

I don't see that it would hurt the non-NTR route, unless she actually did do something with the other guy. You get teases all the time in these games where on the loyal route you think something is happening and it turns out it's not your wife but some random other woman, or it was something genuinely innocent but just looked or sounded suspicious from behind a closed door, or whatever.

The way I see it (and I know it's not the way you see it, and that's fine), you have two scenarios, if this cliffhanger is something that plays out on all paths (which from the dev's comments, it sounds like it doesn't, or at least won't once an erroneous flag is corrected). In the NTR path, you have the suspense of will she/won't she, and the thrill of viewing the scene from either (or both) POVs. On the loyal path, you should know that nothing will happen, because it's the loyal path and that's not going to suddenly diverge into NTR unless you've made choices to make that happen. Therefore, any such cliffhanger would leave me wanting to see what was actually going on and having that sort of second-hand relief, when you find out that your wife wasn't actually doing anything with another guy. So yeah, it would definitely leave me wanting more, because I'd want the resolution of the scene, whichever path I was on, and the wait just builds suspense, and it's a valid narrative tool.

maybe it makes want to see what happens,but I understand people who don’t want it or don’t want u play the game anymore.Isn’t a thriller or adventure film,we don’t need "suspense” or “narrative tools”.
My friend sometimes u think too much,make even wondering u are a teacher or working in medical field lol

 

[ItsNotUs]

Honestly, this is a little disingenuous, 0.15 was not actually a whole update at all, just the 2nd update broken into 2 parts. You can say 0.2 did not end in a cliffhanger, but like my mate ItsNotUs said, there was no satisfying conclusion to 0.2 as well, it also ended with a interruption to what could have been the first true sex scene between the protagonists.
0.1 ended with a cliffhanger, and 3 updates in, if 0.3 is going to end like people are saying, that we are left to guess if nicole did something with that office guy or not, then this is a cliffhanger ending, it doesnt matter if you wish to acknowledge it that way or not.
So 3 out of 2 updates ends with a cliffhanger and 1 with an interruption. You always start mentioning you can't satisfy 100% of people whenever anyone suggests something went wrong, its not about satisfying 100% of people, with each of your update ending in uncertainty is getting really annoying, i mean no offense here, and now we would have to wait 3-4 months to see that if people indeed choose nicole to avoid NTR, then she would not have done anything with that office guy. This hurts the progression and experience of players.
A player having made all the choices right for nicole to avoid NTR and 0.3 ending with a situation that puts the player guessing whether nicole did something with that other guy or not is absolutely frustrating, yes the choices are definitely taking effect, but scenes like this are not helping non ntr playthroughs at all, they are absolutely hurting them. Idk if you will see this message or not, since i mostly get ignored on the thread, but if you do, i hope you take this as what it is, a honest criticism which majority people who are in this for the narrative share. And hopefully you put out an update correcting these errors.
These things usually wont matter when the game is 100% completed since no one would have to wait to see what happens, but this is hampering the non NTR playthrough experience a lot during development, and whenever anyone mentions this, you say you can satisfy 100% players.....it just sad

Someone posted this image here, here as well you mention you cannot please everyone, its not about pleasing everyone.... GetOutOfMyLab was absolutely correct here
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I have a slightly different opinion about the cliffhanger.
The dev himself said that NTR can be avoided and no matter what happened at the end of the new update, here, according to his words, you can conclude that nothing happened, because we trust the words of the dev! Then what is the point of such a cliffhanger if you know everything???

I saw a similar situation in another game, where the dev also made a cliffhanger ending.
There in the last picture you can see the "antagonist's" car, a man sits with his head up and his hands on the back of his head, MC wife leaned into his crotch, only the top of the head is visible!

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You have two thoughts at once: either she sucks him off, but knowing that the dev are not deceiving either and you are on the path of love then she will most likely puke. Those were my assumptions. A month passed, i played the new update and my predictions came true, she puked. So what is the point of such a cliffhanger?
That is, such a cliffhanger loses its meaning if the dev is honest and the NTR can be avoided, you immediately know that there is nothing like that there, i.e. there is no mystery!

 

[ItsNotUs]

I'm still slightly hungover, so I might be missing some stuff here, but let's see if I've got this right:

People don't want endings that leave you wanting more and get you excited for the next update, instead they want everything wrapped up in a nice little bow, and also for there to never be any interruptions to sex scenes (presumably because that's no allowed in some secret dev handbook or something?). And people want to complain about how things play out, and the results of choices they do or do not make, even though they've not yet played to find out what those choices are, which they will pick, and how indeed the game will therefore play out.

Did I miss anything? Personally, I can't wait to play the update, and comment on what actually happens, not what I think might happen based on what I've pieced together from comments by other people who may have made different choices to mine.

Yes, you missed a lot, as i said above, we are only discussing and judging the updates from the words of those who played, so who blatantly spoiled! The final verdict can only be made when we get the opportunity to play the new update!
And where was the sex scene not interrupted by a mother call!?

 

[getinge1]

I have absolutely no problems with cliffhangers to keep interest but what I don't like is the fact that the entire episode leads up to an event in which Nicole did or did not do something but instead of seeing how it plays out it cuts back to the husband who gets a picture on his phone of Nicole possibly about to do something and then the husband returns home to find Nicole. At this point whatever did or did not happen has already occurred and is over with. Once again we didn't get to see the best part of the episode. I assume it will pick up with Nicole and her husband discussing it. I don't want to read/listen to a recap I want to see the event. I understand the episode has to end at some point but I would rather it had just ended prior to the event and picked up in the next episode actually being able to see the event play out.

 

[Eleanorduval]

I have absolutely no problems with cliffhangers to keep interest but what I don't like is the fact that the entire episode leads up to an event in which Nicole did or did not do something but instead of seeing how it plays out it cuts back to the husband who gets a picture on his phone of Nicole possibly about to do something and then the husband returns home to find Nicole. At this point whatever did or did not happen has already occurred and is over with. Once again we didn't get to see the best part of the episode. I assume it will pick up with Nicole and her husband discussing it. I don't want to read/listen to a recap I want to see the event. I understand the episode has to end at some point but I would rather it had just ended prior to the event and picked up in the next episode actually being able to see the event play out.

the problem dev act too much like a film producer,too much suspense can kill the game.Have bother me more his answer to some of players seem like a teacher scolding a student lol we have the right to say something is wrong

 

[TonyMurray]

Yes, you missed a lot, as i said above, we are only discussing and judging the updates from the words of those who played, so who blatantly spoiled! The final verdict can only be made when we get the opportunity to play the new update!
And where was the sex scene not interrupted by a mother call!?

Yeah, so you're getting all riled up about something happening when you haven't even played it yourself yet to see if it does happen, or how it happens if it does...

I don't get your last line about the scene interrupted by the phonecall. That was in a previous update, but you're asking for a scene not interrupted?

 

[Eleanorduval]

Yeah, so you're getting all riled up about something happening when you haven't even played it yourself yet to see if it does happen, or how it happens if it does...

I don't get your last line about the scene interrupted by the phonecall. That was in a previous update, but you're asking for a scene not interrupted?

yeah by Nicole mom call

 

[TonyMurray]

yeah by Nicole mom call

Yeah, but the other guy asked where was the scene not interrupted by the phonecall, which was the bit I didn't understand.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Yeah, but the other guy asked where was the scene not interrupted by the phonecall, which was the bit I didn't understand.

I don’t man but the way they walk makes my heart jump lol is scene are at point strong to make think is a ntr scene.U have free account on patreon?

 

[ItsNotUs]

Yeah, so you're getting all riled up about something happening when you haven't even played it yourself yet to see if it does happen, or how it happens if it does...

I don't get your last line about the scene interrupted by the phonecall. That was in a previous update, but you're asking for a scene not interrupted?

I'm not a railed up, I'm discussing the current situation!
Interrupted call was on version 0.2.

You need to read to understand!
I asked you about the fact: that their sex wasn't interrupted by a call from their mother?

These are your words: "and also for there to never be any interruptions to sex scenes".

 

[TonyMurray]

I don’t man but the way they walk makes my heart jump lol is scene are at point strong to make think is a ntr scene.U have free account on patreon?

Yes, I follow as a free member on Patreon.

I'm not a railed up, I'm discussing the current situation!
Interrupted call was on version 0.2.

You need to read to understand!

I asked you about the fact that their sex wasn't interrupted by a call from their mother?


These are your words: "and also for there to never be any interruptions to sex scenes"

People were having heated discussions, IMO they were railed up. Sorry if that's not correct in your case, but it did seem it to me.

And yeah, someone was upset at the sex scene being interrupted by the phone call, they said the scene should have finished and then for the call to come after the sex. So I interpreted that (or maybe extrapolated from that) as wanting sex scenes to never be interrupted. You then asked me where is the sex scene not interrupted by the mother's call, and I didn't understand what you were asking (and still don't) -

And where was the sex scene not interrupted by a mother call!?

I guess my answer to the question asked is "I don't know where the sex scene not interrupted by the mother's call was. There was a sex scene that was interrupted in 0.2, but we've already covered that and I'm not sure where this non-interrupted scene is supposed to be, or come from."

 

[ItsNotUs]

Yes, I follow as a free member on Patreon.

People were having heated discussions, IMO they were railed up. Sorry if that's not correct in your case, but it did seem it to me.

And yeah, someone was upset at the sex scene being interrupted by the phone call, they said the scene should have finished and then for the call to come after the sex. So I interpreted that (or maybe extrapolated from that) as wanting sex scenes to never be interrupted. You then asked me where is the sex scene not interrupted by the mother's call, and I didn't understand what you were asking (and still don't) -

I guess my answer to the question asked is "I don't know where the sex scene not interrupted by the mother's call was. There was a sex scene that was interrupted in 0.2, but we've already covered that and I'm not sure where this non-interrupted scene is supposed to be, or come from."

You don't understand what I'm talking about at all!
Firstly:
- Cliffingers that are obvious are not needed, there is no mystery in them, i.e. they are meaningless! They only irritate!
Secondly:
- The interrupted update by the Moms call is also not the end of the scene, it is simply interrupted! What continuation can we expect in such a situation? None!
Thirdly:
- The thread only lives for a couple of weeks before and after the update, so let it live - ok?

 

[Eleanorduval]

Yes, I follow as a free member on Patreon.

People were having heated discussions, IMO they were railed up. Sorry if that's not correct in your case, but it did seem it to me.

And yeah, someone was upset at the sex scene being interrupted by the phone call, they said the scene should have finished and then for the call to come after the sex. So I interpreted that (or maybe extrapolated from that) as wanting sex scenes to never be interrupted. You then asked me where is the sex scene not interrupted by the mother's call, and I didn't understand what you were asking (and still don't) -

I guess my answer to the question asked is "I don't know where the sex scene not interrupted by the mother's call was. There was a sex scene that was interrupted in 0.2, but we've already covered that and I'm not sure where this non-interrupted scene is supposed to be, or come from."

I want mc to bang the mom lol I have a kink for mothers in law

 

[Eleanorduval]

You don't understand what I'm talking about at all!
Firstly:
- Cliffingers that are obvious are not needed, there is no mystery in them, i.e. they are meaningless! They only irritate!
Secondly:
- The interrupted update by the Moms call is also not the end of the scene, it is simply interrupted! What continuation can we expect in such a situation? None!
Thirdly:
- The thread only lives for a couple of weeks before and after the update, so let it live - ok?

Both are playing different way,u will never agree with each other XD

 

[TonyMurray]

You don't understand what I'm talking about at all!
Firstly:
- Cliffingers that are obvious are not needed, there is no mystery in them, i.e. they are meaningless! They only irritate!
Secondly:
- The interrupted update by the Moms call is also not the end of the scene, it is simply interrupted! What continuation can we expect in such a situation? None!
Thirdly:
- The thread only lives for a couple of weeks before and after the update, so let it live - ok?

Yeah, you're right, I don't understand what you're talking about, so I'll stop responding further after this (my DMs are always open though, if you want to continue out of the thread).

- You've flipped back to cliffhangers, but there's no "obviously not needed" about them, and they don't "only irritate" - those are both your opinions, not universal fact. The pros and cons of cliffhangers have already been discussed though.

- Your new comments here on the phone call scene make no sense to me, they seem to be arguing against something that I don't think anyone has said.

- "Let it live"? Who is trying to stop the thread?

 

[Radnos Salazar]

You don't understand what I'm talking about at all!
Firstly:
- Cliffingers that are obvious are not needed, there is no mystery in them, i.e. they are meaningless! They only irritate!
Secondly:
- The interrupted update by the Moms call is also not the end of the scene, it is simply interrupted! What continuation can we expect in such a situation? None!
Thirdly:
- The thread only lives for a couple of weeks before and after the update, so let it live - ok?

Agreed, cliffhangers on the non ntr path are completely useless since we already know what would be happening. They only work if dont know the result, It worked for first update since there were no choices, but not now. And now it just becomes irritating.