VN Ren'Py Mila AI [v1.3.8public] [aDDont]

[swiver]

I think the comment isn't to be taken literally, people say shit all the time, I actually find it refreshing that there's lines that do not serve to overexplain a development or situation. This is actually one of the strength of the writing here.

Nonetheless, you're right I think in taking it seriously to a certain extent. It gave me two things. First Mila's changing attitude/priorities. The comment may not be meant literally but it is meant. At the very least, we know that the sexual adventures are revitalising her after a period of stagnation. She is also learning to enjoy tastes and seems to develop a kind of fetish for conquest-type feelings. Regardless as bottom or top, the NTS route is full of fulfilment-seeking through external validation, under which would fall fetish-y things like objectification, exhibitionism but also how she learns to enjoy making men cum etc.

THough I'm not sure dev means it that way, as he might want to be more "sex positive" or whatever you wanna call it, but I see it as part of the same psyche at the core of Mila, which I think is unhealthy. Even if it is not intended by the writer, the basis for my opinion is there, just the opinion itself can be different, i.e. if one views the behaviour as healthy. He captures it because the writing of the character is realistic(-ish). Of course such a psyche can be a result of the situation, an innate issue or maybe you can see it as universal human thing, ennui or the like. Whatever the case, i'm not on board with all the modern feel-good philosophy, just because it's fun, empowering, etc. doesn't mean it's necessarily healthy in my book.

The second important you're seeing is Paul's development. It makes sense that even if this is meant to be a happy, very consensual NTS path, it takes some time to acquire the taste or at least getting used to. For me a happy NTS thing is not that interesting, and if one wants that the format of a character-driven narrative is off and it would be better served with a ready-to-pimp male MC without much of an arc, just a guy who more or less knows what he likes and goes about getting it.

I know dev and a subset of the fanbase are not that keen, at least nominally, on seeing Paul's character in pain etc., or to put it in genre-terms, on having NTR in their NTS. But I am grateful that dev and the fans of the NTS route who are still on board are so far allowing for the bad shit that must go along with an complex story. I do feel our tags should be treated more like genres rather tropes, so that it isn't bland and porn-y. I personally would prefer more conflict on all ends and yes even hurt to appreciate the NTS and loyal paths, though I do respect that there best be a hypoallerneic route for those with turn-offs or even triggers.



Seriously, Bob's body type deserves (and gets) stuff too. I know you don't mean it that way but.. I mean... and there's a whole path full of that

(actually accomodating that fetish causes the weakest part of the story: who are these guys? what kind of bourgoius-douche + gentleman-thug culture is this? in what universe can the earl of rochester be into american football? isn't their class confusing? why is the bro-frat-house, immature yet somehow successful enterprenuers all black? how does the same secret society cater to a handyman-type, garage-workshop owner and a CEO-bro? and also am I the only one getting the weird homoerotic vibes of bodybuilder culture?)-- i hadn't realised how much this bothered me, thanks for the tickle, lol.

Still worth it, I guess, cause at the purely aesthetic level, dev really did achieve the best milk and chocolate colour contrast I've ever seen. But let's not let the sundae melt all over the place. Bob :heart: Mila is a different dessert, strudel (I ain't calling it apple-pie) with a scoop of vanilla



Do you mean skill?

Reckon you hit the wrong smiley there, mate.

Unless...

Wait...

Is you?!

Is this what gets you off?! Our praise and shit?! It's real creepy, man, I mean jizz-face for something that someone wrote or ma_ oh!... I hear it now...

 

[Chaoticjustice]

I think the comment isn't to be taken literally, people say shit all the time, I actually find it refreshing that there's lines that do not serve to overexplain a development or situation. This is actually one of the strength of the writing here.

Nonetheless, you're right I think in taking it seriously to a certain extent. It gave me two things. First Mila's changing attitude/priorities. The comment may not be meant literally but it is meant. At the very least, we know that the sexual adventures are revitalising her after a period of stagnation. She is also learning to enjoy tastes and seems to develop a kind of fetish for conquest-type feelings. Regardless as bottom or top, the NTS route is full of fulfilment-seeking through external validation, under which would fall fetish-y things like objectification, exhibitionism but also how she learns to enjoy making men cum etc.

THough I'm not sure dev means it that way, as he might want to be more "sex positive" or whatever you wanna call it, but I see it as part of the same psyche at the core of Mila, which I think is unhealthy. Even if it is not intended by the writer, the basis for my opinion is there, just the opinion itself can be different, i.e. if one views the behaviour as healthy. He captures it because the writing of the character is realistic(-ish). Of course such a psyche can be a result of the situation, an innate issue or maybe you can see it as universal human thing, ennui or the like. Whatever the case, i'm not on board with all the modern feel-good philosophy, just because it's fun, empowering, etc. doesn't mean it's necessarily healthy in my book.

The second important you're seeing is Paul's development. It makes sense that even if this is meant to be a happy, very consensual NTS path, it takes some time to acquire the taste or at least getting used to. For me a happy NTS thing is not that interesting, and if one wants that the format of a character-driven narrative is off and it would be better served with a ready-to-pimp male MC without much of an arc, just a guy who more or less knows what he likes and goes about getting it.

I know dev and a subset of the fanbase are not that keen, at least nominally, on seeing Paul's character in pain etc., or to put it in genre-terms, on having NTR in their NTS. But I am grateful that dev and the fans of the NTS route who are still on board are so far allowing for the bad shit that must go along with an complex story. I do feel our tags should be treated more like genres rather tropes, so that it isn't bland and porn-y. I personally would prefer more conflict on all ends and yes even hurt to appreciate the NTS and loyal paths, though I do respect that there best be a hypoallerneic route for those with turn-offs or even triggers.



Seriously, Bob's body type deserves (and gets) stuff too. I know you don't mean it that way but.. I mean... and there's a whole path full of that

(actually accomodating that fetish causes the weakest part of the story: who are these guys? what kind of bourgoius-douche + gentleman-thug culture is this? in what universe can the earl of rochester be into american football? isn't their class confusing? why is the bro-frat-house, immature yet somehow successful enterprenuers all black? how does the same secret society cater to a handyman-type, garage-workshop owner and a CEO-bro? and also am I the only one getting the weird homoerotic vibes of bodybuilder culture?)-- i hadn't realised how much this bothered me, thanks for the tickle, lol.

Still worth it, I guess, cause at the purely aesthetic level, dev really did achieve the best milk and chocolate colour contrast I've ever seen. But let's not let the sundae melt all over the place. Bob :heart: Mila is a different dessert, strudel (I ain't calling it apple-pie) with a scoop of vanilla



Do you mean skill?

Honestly you addressed this really well so thanks for the input , the more I think about it the NTS/POLYAMOURUS route has me conflicted somewhat in regards to the first sex scene .... Like it should almost be clumsy, embarrassing and personally it should be incredibly vanilla ... After all this is her first time properly with someone else and she is still finding her feet , like you would almost expect it to be basic missionary then Mila essentially running out and going home as she's embarrassed almost conflicted but needing reassurance from Paul that it's ok , it just felt too ramped up based on the story

 

[swiver]

Honestly you addressed this really well so thanks for the input , the more I think about it the NTS/POLYAMOURUS route has me conflicted somewhat in regards to the first sex scene .... Like it should almost be clumsy, embarrassing and personally it should be incredibly vanilla ... After all this is her first time properly with someone else and she is still finding her feet , like you would almost expect it to be basic missionary then Mila essentially running out and going home as she's embarrassed almost conflicted but needing reassurance from Paul that it's ok , it just felt too ramped up based on the story

Thanks! I need to re=read the route it to remember. I'm finally better understanding the whole reassure me, Paul stuff thanks to what you're describing. But I don't remember when all this comes, is it after the really hardcore abusive fuckfest?

I'm remembering how Bob sort of takes over, or was that not the first time? That one did sort of make sense cause while she's hesitating he's just greedily trying to take all he can get as he doesn't know if he'll ever get the chance again. The choices were not all that smooth there, with the variation of what she can say unclear. If I remember correctly all they change is what she says, which makes her either a more actively compliant submissive or someone who hasn't fetishised her feelings, experience what most people would; pain and discomfort, with the situation well into non-consensual/rape territory. Afterwards she just likes things without a second thought? IDK, don't remember.

My imagination is that both the thank you daddy AND the silently thinking fuck you asshole "paths" end up in subspace and then the monologues reflect that she either enthusiastically like it or keeps coming back for more because she doesn't digest/process the emotions of hard abuse, overwhelming orgasms, how a harmless sweet guy she pitied more or less raped her, how she really likes him and wants to take care of him like those kingkong girls have... ANyway though there should be a second path where afterwards she cannot reconcile herself with the experience and breaks thing off and the trauma gets her into weird things with Paul (I would prefer she best become frigid and cold and gradually the tensions would trigger Paul into similar behaviour as Bob- more or less abusing Mila. It would make sense, because she would subconsciously triggering him as part of a reenactment complex or whatever it's called in psychology).

ANyway all of this can maybe be understood as clumsy uncertainty? IDK, I think the clumsiness should come before the hardcore stuff maybe...

I don't remember how the femdom and Paul top start, but I'm guessing they diverge from the above in the moments when she explicitly stops Bob or doesn't give him greenlight to give free rein and set the animal loose. Makes sense that after such a choice she would either start allowing him to have fun careful because she's scared which is just good outspoken consent policy or she starts finding Bob's waiting for a greenlight and reserved desire a turn on, which she either turns into femdom straight or kind of half-cucking Bob with daddy Paul.

Just thoughts on a lazy afternoon.

 

[swiver]

Thanks! I need to re=read the route it to remember. I'm finally better understanding the whole reassure me, Paul stuff thanks to what you're describing. But I don't remember when all this comes, is it after the really hardcore abusive fuckfest?

I'm remembering how Bob sort of takes over, or was that not the first time? That one did sort of make sense cause while she's hesitating he's just greedily trying to take all he can get as he doesn't know if he'll ever get the chance again. The choices were not all that smooth there, with the variation of what she can say unclear. If I remember correctly all they change is what she says, which makes her either a more actively compliant submissive or someone who hasn't fetishised her feelings, experience what most people would; pain and discomfort, with the situation well into non-consensual/rape territory. Afterwards she just likes things without a second thought? IDK, don't remember.

My imagination is that both the thank you daddy AND the silently thinking fuck you asshole "paths" end up in subspace and then the monologues reflect that she either enthusiastically like it or keeps coming back for more because she doesn't digest/process the emotions of hard abuse, overwhelming orgasms, how a harmless sweet guy she pitied more or less raped her, how she really likes him and wants to take care of him like those kingkong girls have... ANyway though there should be a second path where afterwards she cannot reconcile herself with the experience and breaks thing off and the trauma gets her into weird things with Paul (I would prefer she best become frigid and cold and gradually the tensions would trigger Paul into similar behaviour as Bob- more or less abusing Mila. It would make sense, because she would subconsciously triggering him as part of a reenactment complex or whatever it's called in psychology).

ANyway all of this can maybe be understood as clumsy uncertainty? IDK, I think the clumsiness should come before the hardcore stuff maybe...

I don't remember how the femdom and Paul top start, but I'm guessing they diverge from the above in the moments when she explicitly stops Bob or doesn't give him greenlight to give free rein and set the animal loose. Makes sense that after such a choice she would either start allowing him to have fun careful because she's scared which is just good outspoken consent policy or she starts finding Bob's waiting for a greenlight and reserved desire a turn on, which she either turns into femdom straight or kind of half-cucking Bob with daddy Paul.

Just thoughts on a lazy afternoon.

Of course ALL these paths can lead to loving Bob somehow..

Hey aDDont these are psyfuckolically interesting femdom-y movies I've got an urge to just share not necessarily to inspire anything:

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(less comical. just weird thriller. But shows a very different "love")

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[Chaoticjustice]

Thanks! I need to re=read the route it to remember. I'm finally better understanding the whole reassure me, Paul stuff thanks to what you're describing. But I don't remember when all this comes, is it after the really hardcore abusive fuckfest?

I'm remembering how Bob sort of takes over, or was that not the first time? That one did sort of make sense cause while she's hesitating he's just greedily trying to take all he can get as he doesn't know if he'll ever get the chance again. The choices were not all that smooth there, with the variation of what she can say unclear. If I remember correctly all they change is what she says, which makes her either a more actively compliant submissive or someone who hasn't fetishised her feelings, experience what most people would; pain and discomfort, with the situation well into non-consensual/rape territory. Afterwards she just likes things without a second thought? IDK, don't remember.

My imagination is that both the thank you daddy AND the silently thinking fuck you asshole "paths" end up in subspace and then the monologues reflect that she either enthusiastically like it or keeps coming back for more because she doesn't digest/process the emotions of hard abuse, overwhelming orgasms, how a harmless sweet guy she pitied more or less raped her, how she really likes him and wants to take care of him like those kingkong girls have... ANyway though there should be a second path where afterwards she cannot reconcile herself with the experience and breaks thing off and the trauma gets her into weird things with Paul (I would prefer she best become frigid and cold and gradually the tensions would trigger Paul into similar behaviour as Bob- more or less abusing Mila. It would make sense, because she would subconsciously triggering him as part of a reenactment complex or whatever it's called in psychology).

ANyway all of this can maybe be understood as clumsy uncertainty? IDK, I think the clumsiness should come before the hardcore stuff maybe...

I don't remember how the femdom and Paul top start, but I'm guessing they diverge from the above in the moments when she explicitly stops Bob or doesn't give him greenlight to give free rein and set the animal loose. Makes sense that after such a choice she would either start allowing him to have fun careful because she's scared which is just good outspoken consent policy or she starts finding Bob's waiting for a greenlight and reserved desire a turn on, which she either turns into femdom straight or kind of half-cucking Bob with daddy Paul.

Just thoughts on a lazy afternoon.

You've absolutely got it 100% there couldn't agree more and from what I could tell she only had sex with bob once after he got the promotion and it turned into an absolute free for all

The other thing that really annoyed me is the scene as a dominant Paul , where they are at the bar and bobs like can I do what I want and Paul is essentially like absolutely not bob that is not the case , then Mila visits drunk bob and he makes a move and says Paul said I can do what ever I want to where Mila said well no it's my choice

What annoyed me was that it never gets spoke about again Paul doesn't get informed .... Because I do genuinely feel that dominant Paul would of told Mila that it wasnt the case and that her and bob where done and then marched over to bobs hit him a punch and told him it's over and he's completely fucked it up for himself by being greedy

 

[Chaoticjustice]

aDDont I'm just glad you didn't go down the route of my Italian slut wife my god

 

[Dealbreaker]

Just thoughts on a lazy afternoon.

That lazy afternoon was rather productive. You know your stuff.

 

[swiver]

You've absolutely got it 100% there couldn't agree more and from what I could tell she only had sex with bob once after he got the promotion and it turned into an absolute free for all

The other thing that really annoyed me is the scene as a dominant Paul , where they are at the bar and bobs like can I do what I want and Paul is essentially like absolutely not bob that is not the case , then Mila visits drunk bob and he makes a move and says Paul said I can do what ever I want to where Mila said well no it's my choice

What annoyed me was that it never gets spoke about again Paul doesn't get informed .... Because I do genuinely feel that dominant Paul would of told Mila that it wasnt the case and that her and bob where done and then marched over to bobs hit him a punch and told him it's over and he's completely fucked it up for himself by being greedy

Don't tell addont, but I haven't got around to Paul's domme path

aDDont I'm just glad you didn't go down the route of my Italian slut wife my god

Oh I should check that one out. What do you mean though?

That lazy afternoon was rather productive. You know your stuff.

Thanks!
As if the rest of my days aren't lazy. Fuck, wish I knew my work like I know my porn :sad: