VN Ren'Py Mila AI [v1.4.4public] [aDDont]

[aDDont]

So this has me somewhat conflicted but mainly because it's bob , if it was just a random bull where there is no chance of feelings developing I would say yeah no problem, but given that it's bob and how the relationship is likely to develop into something more than just sexual and the fact he lives so close as well it feels like in theory it would be hard for them to actually have time to themselves, maybe something like a trip to a nice hotel with a spa or something

Having Paul bathe Mila gives me the vibes of Paul being some form of sexual crime scene cleaner it almost feels that as the story progresses it will be about them as a couple and Paul will eventually end up as milas fluffer ( if that's a thing )

I don't see and don't want to depict it as humiliating act. I hope I will manage to do that as I see it from emotional side. It's about love and validation, not even about sub/dom, the vibe I wanna see here is they both want to confirm their feelings after the play. Bob (or whoever else) in that case is just a huge sweaty dildo that can cum.
And I genuinely against the blue balled cuck even in femdom route. Paul's love and pleasure is as important as Mila's pleasure (for herself). If he likes the play she will be dominant and a bit cruel to him. But there won't be any "cock addicted idiot who loves to fuck more then anything else, and throw her life away for it". She may play that role for fun, but she doesn't want to ruin her relationship with Paul. Sluts should remain subtle outside of "play time", cause sluts are not whores. Sluts want to be loved. Whores want to gain something out of you, or use you. Mila is a slut, not a whore.

It's sharing route, so they will end up together, though in Bobs route it will be a bit more complicated)

 

[Dealbreaker]

Bob (or whoever else) in that case is just a huge sweaty dildo that can cum.

That's the problem with these plays: somebody gets always dehumanized. We can always claim and wish and portray it to be otherwise, but it doesn't add up. Just an observation. don't want to start an argument.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

I don't see and don't want to depict it as humiliating act. I hope I will manage to do that as I see it from emotional side. It's about love and validation, not even about sub/dom, the vibe I wanna see here is they both want to confirm their feelings after the play. Bob (or whoever else) in that case is just a huge sweaty dildo that can cum.
And I genuinely against the blue balled cuck even in femdom route. Paul's love and pleasure is as important as Mila's pleasure (for herself). If he likes the play she will be dominant and a bit cruel to him. But there won't be any "cock addicted idiot who loves to fuck more then anything else, and throw her life away for it". She may play that role for fun, but she doesn't want to ruin her relationship with Paul. Sluts should remain subtle outside of "play time", cause sluts are not whores. Sluts want to be loved. Whores want to gain something out of you, or use you. Mila is a slut, not a whore.

It's sharing route, so they will end up together, though in Bobs route it will be a bit more complicated)

Will be interesting to see what way you do it , I guess my mindset with it is that when it comes to sharing that involves someone that both parties know and would potentially see fairly regularly it is likely to be slippy slope in regards to feelings and one party naturally falling to the way side to an extent

Out of curiosity in the general NTS side of it any plans to have it that they become swingers either having fun separately or mmf/ffm or even sex parties etc

 

[DeviantFun]

That's the problem with these plays: somebody gets always dehumanized. We can always claim and wish and portray it to be otherwise, but it doesn't add up. Just an observation. don't want to start an argument.

That is a given, and it is as it should be.

You are thinking too much about the dehumanizing stuff, when you are setting foot in an existing relationship you have to respect the boundaries and understand that you can't, won't and shouldn't overstep or overshadow the couple love and intimacy.

They are letting you in, as a bull (hate the term, always found it stupid) or as a member, they have the key to the door, you should respect the house rules.

When feelings aside from companionship and excitement about sex (which should be always for the couple's pleasure anyway) start developing the game usually ends and you will be probably pushed out.
And yes even if the feelings are yours.

This is why I quite uncomfortable with the plans of "Mila now loves Bob route", it is the ultimate betrayal of trust and love.

 

[Dealbreaker]

You are thinking too much about the dehumanizing stuff, when you are setting foot in an existing relationship you have to respect the boundaries and understand that you can't, won't and shouldn't overstep or overshadow the couple love and intimacy.

I just wonder if Bob really sees himself in that way. And I don't know if I remember correctly, but somehow he didn't just stepped into the relationship but got in a way invited? Would it be wrong to say he gets used in a way? I mean a dildo gets used.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

That is a given, and it is as it should be.

You are thinking too much about the dehumanizing stuff, when you are setting foot in an existing relationship you have to respect the boundaries and understand that you can't, won't and shouldn't overstep or overshadow the couple love and intimacy.

They are letting you in, as a bull (hate the term, always found it stupid) or as a member, they have the key to the door, you should respect the house rules.

When feelings aside from companionship and excitement about sex (which should be always for the couple's pleasure anyway) start developing the game usually ends and you will be probably pushed out.
And yes even if the feelings are yours.

This is why I quite uncomfortable with the plans of "Mila now loves Bob route", it is the ultimate betrayal of trust and love.

The Mila now loves bob route or when the FMC falls for a partner that isn't her actual partner or husband mainly bothers me for two reasons

1, when the FMC falls for the other male it typically happens with in a short period of time normally a few weeks if that ( well that's how it's portrayed in avns) so if I look at it from the husbands/boyfriends perspective especially if the couple have been together a while it almost feels like it undermines the relationship as they have put all this time into the relationship been with eachother throughout the hard times then the FMC falls for someone else fairly quickly

2, now I know it's a porn game before anyone says this, but realistically in a situation when the FMC has been allowed the freedom by her partner to have fun with other men you would like to think out of that love that they have for there husband/boyfriend that the moment that feelings begin to develop that she would step away from that partner and find a new one , after all when the husband/boyfriend allows the freedom to have fun with other men that's all it is meant to be is fun , the MC isn't suggesting that she goes out and finds another love and I know these things happen but at that stage it is the responsibility of the FMC to either prevent that or step away from that partner if unable too given the love and respect they supposedly have for there other half

So for me these two reasons tend to undermine the "love" that FMC has for there significant other and naturally it would make you wonder just how much she does love her significant other or how much of it was genuine

 

[DeviantFun]

I just wonder if Bob really sees himself in that way. And I don't know if I remember correctly, but somehow he didn't just stepped into the relationship but got in a way invited? Would it be wrong to say he gets used in a way? I mean a dildo gets used.

It is fine if he gets used, he is invited to a game, not his game, not his ball, not his field, not his rules.
You are always invited into these things, you don't invite yourself, or at least I lack the imagination on how a healthy couple could allow that.

His role is clear, and when it becomes unclear either for him or the couple, it needs to end.
If it doesn't it will end badly.

The Mila now loves bob route or when the FMC falls for a partner that isn't her actual partner or husband mainly bothers me for two reasons

1, when the FMC falls for the other male it typically happens in with in a short period of time normally a few weeks if that ( well that's how it's portrayed in avns) so if I look at it from the husbands/boyfriends perspective especially if the couple have been together a while it almost feels like it undermines the relationship as they have put all this time into the relationship been with eachother throughout the hard times then the FMC falls for someone else fairly quickly

2, now I know it's a porn game before anyone says this, but realistically in a situation when the FMC has been allowed the freedom by her partner to have fun with other men you would like to think out of that love that they have for there husband/boyfriend that the moment that feelings begin to develop that she would step away from that partner and find a new one , after all when the husband/boyfriend allows the freedom to have fun with other men that's all it is meant to be is fun , the MC isn't suggesting that she goes out and finds another love and I know these things happen but at that stage it is the responsibility of the FMC to either prevent that or step away from that partner if unable too given the love and respect they supposedly have for there other half

So for me these two reasons tend to undermine the "love" that FMC has for there significant other and naturally it would make you wonder just how much she does love her significant other or how much of it was genuine

Perfect response, also, yes this is a porn game but with a focus on writing.
We aren't talking about "hentai sluts harem 15" or "Turboslutwife cucking adventures 5".

 

[Silken on Demand]

I won't spoil things, but I feel in a way I should step in and say something.
We're working on a lot of stuff, not just moving forward but from the very
beginning. And a lot of concerns and questions you might have now will be
explained in ways that will have a bigger impact on situations and paths.
Setting a better flow and tone for them. Shedding new light on things,
expanding on various characters and settings and adding a lot of new and
exciting content and story. So things that might seem confusing now won't
stay that way. I know, I don't like mystery boxes and I feel I probably just
dropped one.
This isn't an attempt at a hype train.
Just an attempt to give a little clarity on things moving forward.
We love all the feedback and want it to keep coming. So keep it coming.
Just know that Mila Ai is on course to be even better and will keep getting better

 

[housekinokuni1974]

I won't spoil things, but I feel in a way I should step in and say something.
We're working on a lot of stuff, not just moving forward but from the very
beginning. And a lot of concerns and questions you might have now will be
explained in ways that will have a bigger impact on situations and paths.
Setting a better flow and tone for them. Shedding new light on things,
expanding on various characters and settings and adding a lot of new and
exciting content and story. So things that might seem confusing now won't
stay that way. I know, I don't like mystery boxes and I feel I probably just
dropped one.
This isn't an attempt at a hype train.
Just an attempt to give a little clarity on things moving forward.
We love all the feedback and want it to keep coming. So keep it coming.
Just know that Mila Ai is on course to be even better and will keep getting better

nice, game is already good if you have other ways to make it even better, im all for it

 

[Geigi]

Hope to see more Bob than just casual black men, too much games, too much porn already around bbc, just annoying

I agree. Bob is a rarity among ugly bastards from hentai who can pass as a likeable character though I won't mind if there are more black male characters but who can be love interests. More interracial romance.

 

[Princess Groundhog]

I won't mind if there are more black male characters but who can be love interests. More interracial romance.

Or black female characters

But with all this Bob talk, I’m still very interested in the Kiki route and story and can’t wait to see more! It feels different and exciting. And she seems pretty shy and inexperienced so the idea of Paul and Mila training her is super hot

 

[Rehwyn]

That is a given, and it is as it should be.

You are thinking too much about the dehumanizing stuff, when you are setting foot in an existing relationship you have to respect the boundaries and understand that you can't, won't and shouldn't overstep or overshadow the couple love and intimacy.

They are letting you in, as a bull (hate the term, always found it stupid) or as a member, they have the key to the door, you should respect the house rules.

When feelings aside from companionship and excitement about sex (which should be always for the couple's pleasure anyway) start developing the game usually ends and you will be probably pushed out.
And yes even if the feelings are yours.

This is why I quite uncomfortable with the plans of "Mila now loves Bob route", it is the ultimate betrayal of trust and love.

There is another potential path if feelings develop in the form of polyamory. Sometimes things that start as just fun can develop into something more, but there's likely going to be challenges in any such transition, particularly if all partners cannot agree on altering the terms of the relationship arrangement.

But from what I've seen, that's more likely to occur on the Loyal Harem route since the narrative seems to be heading that way from early on. And I can't wait to see more of that.

 

[DeviantFun]

There is another potential path if feelings develop in the form of polyamory. Sometimes things that start as just fun can develop into something more, but there's likely going to be challenges in any such transition, particularly if all partners cannot agree on it.

But from what I've seen, that's more likely to occur on the Loyal Harem route since the narrative seems to be heading that way from early on. And I can't wait to see more of that.

I know a few polyamorous people, they all have failed relationships later on, even the one that lasted for several years.
Because people do not respect hierarchy, the waters gers muddled and the trust in the relationship is destroyed.

My own open relationships had very clear cut rules, and they worked because of that.

Showing some affection and care to Bob is fine, including him in life decisions or even solo trips with Mila is already a disaster for Paul and the marriage because it spells one of these 2 things:

• Paul is a worthless and spineless cuck that would forego meaningful time with the person he married to fuel his subhuman fetish
• Mila has already moved on and doesn't care about the marriage at all, unless it is to go back and "report" to fuel her own fetish

(In the plan there is a trip to Paris, Mila's dream since she got married and we have Bob going instead of Paul, I don't know if this will be implemented or not)

Bob is not a partner to Paul he is not even a friend, he would be a boyfriend to Mila, that is it.
This is not the premise both Mila and Paul set at the beginning, sure things can change, not for the better tho.

Granted, I see the same issue if we got the reversed situation in the loyal path, but there we see Paul really caring for Mila, and Mila being the initiator for the Kiki stuff.
I doubt any of them will see Kiki as a main partner and more as a "little sis" (I lack a better term).

As usual, let me underline that these are my own projections and ramblings, aDDont and Silken are at work, I'll wait for what they conjure up.

 

[Rehwyn]

I know a few polyamorous people, they all have failed relationships later on, even the one that lasted for several years.
Because people do not respect hierarchy, the waters gers muddled and the trust in the relationship is destroyed.

My own open relationships had very clear cut rules, and they worked because of that.

Showing some affection and care to Bob is fine, including him in life decisions or even solo trips with Mila is already a disaster for Paul and the marriage because it spells one of these 2 things:

• Paul is a worthless and spineless cuck that would forego meaningful time with the person he married to fuel his subhuman fetish
• Mila has already moved on and doesn't care about the marriage at all, unless it is to go back and "report" to fuel her own fetish

(In the plan there is a trip to Paris, Mila's dream since she got married and we have Bob going instead of Paul, I don't know if this will be implemented or not)

Bob is not a partner to Paul he is not even a friend, he would be a boyfriend to Mila, that is it.
This is not the premise both Mila and Paul set at the beginning, sure things can change, not for the better tho.

Granted, I see the same issue if we got the reversed situation in the loyal path, but there we see Paul really caring for Mila, and Mila being the initiator for the Kiki stuff.
I doubt any of them will see Kiki as a main partner and more as a "little sis" (I lack a better term).

As usual, let me underline that these are my own projections and ramblings, aDDont and Silken are at work, I'll wait for what they conjure up.

While useful for you personally, I wouldn't recommend relying on anecdotal evidence to evaluate the stability and quality of polyamorous relationships in general. For example, I know people in two poly relationships: one has been together 11 years and the other 15 years (and are raising a kid together), so using anecdotal evidence only I'd draw a completely different conclusion than you have.

For more empirical data (

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Relational outcomes also were compared across different forms of CNM relationships. For example, when hierarchical partnerships (i.e., having a primary partner who is prioritized relative to secondary or tertiary partners) and nonhierarchical partnerships (i.e., having multiple partners who are on equal levels of significance) were compared, greater relationship satisfaction was reported in nonhierarchical relationships, and within hierarchical relationships, greater relationship satisfaction was found with primary partners (Flicker et al., 2021). When comparing open relationships, threesome agreements, swinging, and polyamorous relationships, findings were mixed. Hosking (2013) found that open relationships were as committed and intimate as threesome agreements, while Conley and Piemonte (2021) reported less favorable outcomes for open relationships compared to swinging and polyamorous relationships.

As for the Loyal Harem path, it's still extremely early. Mila and Paul have only very recently even begun discussing the possibility of including Kiki at all much less agree on the structure of any arrangement. I think it's a little premature to draw any conclusions there, though up until now I'll agree Mila's fantasy has steered more towards her being the number one primary partner rather than a non-hierarchal arrangement. But I could easily see her desires changing as they begin to explore a relationship with Kiki.

 

[DeviantFun]

While useful for you personally, I wouldn't recommend relying on anecdotal evidence to evaluate the stability and quality of polyamorous relationships in general. For example, I know people in two poly relationships: one has been together 11 years and the other 15 years (and are raising a kid together), so using anecdotal evidence only I'd draw a completely different conclusion than you have.

For more empirical data (

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):

I agree with you, my experience can be defined as anecdotal and I thank you for the source, it is interesting but I'd have to go into the original studies to see sample size and how the sample was selected (e.g. you obviously get a better outcome with people already willing to be in a poly relationship).
I feel like not considering the geographical location might be a bit of a problem and also the reporting of individual happiness is never a good base, as it cannot give an objective pov also I am considering that these studies are prominent in the last 10 years with a strong dose of critical theory thrown in.
But you gave me some reading to go through this evening.


On a more practical note, would you mind defining better the poly relationships you are referring to? how many members, males/females and so on?

 

[Rehwyn]

I agree with you, my experience can be defined as anecdotal and I thank you for the source, it is interesting but I'd have to go into the original studies to see sample size and how the sample was selected (e.g. you obviously get a better outcome with people already willing to be in a poly relationship).
I feel like not considering the geographical location might be a bit of a problem and also the reporting of individual happiness is never a good base, as it cannot give an objective pov also I am considering that these studies are prominent in the last 10 years with a strong dose of critical theory thrown in.
But you gave me some reading to go through this evening.


On a more practical note, would you mind defining better the poly relationships you are referring to? how many members, males/females and so on?

Part of the reason for the authors preparing the scoping review I linked is precisely because until the last 10-15 years, CNM has been an understudied field, so they'd likely agree with you regarding a need for more studies and more diverse geographic representation. It does, however, do a good job of summarizing the evidence that is available at present.

As for the poly relationships I know, the 15-year one is a MFM vee and the 11-year one is a FFFM quad (but in this case, each partner is only a paramour of 1-2 others in the relationship and metamours with the others).

Edit: I do want to point out that one of the most conclusive results in the study I linked is that, compared to monogamous relationships, the greatest issues that faced polyamorous and other CNM relationships was not as a result of the relationship structure itself, but as a result of social stigma and laws that favor monogamy. This is part of the reason I'm quick to encourage people to maintain an open mind about all CNM relationship structures, because broader social acceptance and changes to existing laws could really help improve the lives of people in CNM relationships in general and the poly people I know in particular.

As an example, the MFM vee raising a kid together started as a married couple that added a third who is now an equal partner, at least in their eyes. Both men are considered by them to be just as much one of the "dads". They all have a very legitimate concern that if the two biological parents were killed in a car crash or something, the surviving partner could lose custody of their child due to being unable to join a legal partnership with all members and some judge deeming the surviving partner of "low moral character" for not being monogamous.

And in the FFFM relationship, one of the women has been considering leaving primarily because they cannot be public about their relationship without likely facing social backlash where they live. Living a relationship in secret like that can be a significant mental burden.

Broader social acceptance and revised laws would greatly help with both.

 

[88stanford88]

Or black female characters

I've always wondered if, when it comes to black men and it is usually assumed that they have big dicks, do black women also have big pussies?

 

[DeviantFun]

Part of the reason for the authors preparing the scoping review I linked is precisely because until the last 10-15 years, CNM has been an understudied field, so they'd likely agree with you regarding a need for more studies and more diverse geographic representation. It does, however, do a good job of summarizing the evidence that is available at present.

As for the poly relationships I know, the 15-year one is a MFM vee and the 11-year one is a FFFM quad (but in this case, each partner is only a paramour of 1-2 others in the relationship and metamours with the others).

Edit: I do want to point out that one of the most conclusive results in the study I linked is that, compared to monogamous relationships, the greatest issues that faced polyamorous and other CNM relationships was not as a result of the relationship structure itself, but as a result of social stigma and laws that favor monogamy. This is part of the reason I'm quick to encourage people to maintain an open mind about all CNM relationship structures, because broader social acceptance and changes to existing laws could really help improve the lives of people in CNM relationships in general and the poly people I know in particular.

As an example, the MFM vee raising a kid together started as a married couple that added a third who is now an equal partner, at least in their eyes. Both men are considered by them to be just as much one of the "dads". They all have a very legitimate concern that if the two biological parents were killed in a car crash or something, the surviving partner could lose custody of their child due to being unable to join a legal partnership with all members and some judge deeming the surviving partner of "low moral character" for not being monogamous.

And in the FFFM relationship, one of the women has been considering leaving primarily because they cannot be public about their relationship without likely facing social backlash where they live. Living a relationship in secret like that can be a significant mental burden.

Broader social acceptance and revised laws would greatly help with both.

That is a valid concern, but it underlines my doubt of happiness evaluation.

One of those two guys had to accept a child that isn't his, even with all the mental gymnastic and goodwill necessary to do something like that, he is ultimately raising a child from two other people.

It requires a specific type of person to do so.

But we are getting a bit out of topic here, I appreciate the conversation.

 

[Rehwyn]

That is a valid concern, but it underlines my doubt of happiness evaluation.

One of those two guys had to accept a child that isn't his, even with all the mental gymnastic and goodwill necessary to do something like that, he is ultimately raising a child from two other people.

It requires a specific type of person to do so.

But we are getting a bit out of topic here, I appreciate the conversation.

Happy to wrap up too, and would like to say that I agree polyamory isn't for everyone, just as I hope you'll agree open relationships aren't either. But it appears that for those that choose to pursue them, they're both, on average, roughly equally or more satisfying as compared to monogamous ones. And they're a lot more common than many people think.

As for the MFM, I'll say that they didn't have the kid until a few years after all three were together and agreed to, and at least from their perspective legitimately consider all three partners the parents since they're equally and publicly involved in raising them.

 

[Princess Groundhog]

As for the MFM, I'll say that they didn't have the kid until a few years after all three were together and agreed to, and at least from their perspective legitimately consider all three partners the parents since they're equally and publicly involved in raising them.

It’s definitely not for everyone but to me this feels very appealing in theory. As someone who’s bi having both a male and female partner would seem fun, outside just a threesome.