VN Ren'Py Mila AI [v1.4.5public] [aDDont]

[Mokufinder]

Can everyone just stop complaining about artstyle? We already had one big revamp, let's not trigger another one

Let developer continue adding new things to the game instead of going back and re-doing stuff that has already been done.

 

[88stanford88]

Can everyone just stop complaining about artstyle? We already had one big revamp, let's not trigger another one

Let developer continue adding new things to the game instead of going back and re-doing stuff that has already been done.

the problem is that the old one was better...
I never complained about arts style before
I do not understand why the dev changed just for the ones that was more faster in complaining

 

[7_lJzWy3XxoEyow7]

the problem is that the old one was better...
I never complained about arts style before
I do not understand why the dev changed just for the ones that was more faster in complaining

Better for YOU , you want to say right?
Because I also wont complain about any visual artistic choices the artist made ... its up to them. *We can only comment on how it works on one self and there it is not the same for everyone!
As this is just AI generated completely this might be a little bit different, but still stands*

For ex. I dont like the Porsche Design but I like Ferrari ... So I wouldnt by a Porsche but a Ferrari.

Regarding the 3 different art-styles I presented you personaly find the 3. the best, for wich I would drop out of this instantly and see to find me more to my liking. But this is just personal preference. I get of on a lot of crazy kinks but not any ...

 

[88stanford88]

For ex. I dont like the Porsche Design but I like Ferrari

so Porscho must rework the look of the their cars

Porsche will never change the original project--- all cars have to looks the same?... All cars must looks like as Ferrari
you are an unimaginative conformist


This imagewas perfect to me!... This is the REAL MILA!

Hope the Dev will avoid to follow an unimaginative conformist advice with the power to change the characters look in his game!

Thanks to be interested in my opinion!

 

[Mokufinder]

Better for YOU , you want to say right?
Because I also wont complain about any visual artistic choices the artist made ... its up to them. *We can only comment on how it works on one self and there it is not the same for everyone!
As this is just AI generated completely this might be a little bit different, but still stands*

For ex. I dont like the Porsche Design but I like Ferrari ... So I wouldnt by a Porsche but a Ferrari.

Regarding the 3 different art-styles I presented you personaly find the 3. the best, for wich I would drop out of this instantly and see to find me more to my liking. But this is just personal preference. I get of on a lot of crazy kinks but not any ...

But that is the issue. Artstyle is personal, and this time you got lucky and it was changed to the one you liked. It could have been other way around. At some point developer felt pushed to update artstyle by some people, while others were happy with old style.

For me it's not the issue that the artstyle has changed, it's the issue that developer had to spend XX amount of time redoing things he already did, while he could have been focusing on adding new stuff.

So, to aDDont, please don't change things if you feel pressured by opinions. If you want to update artstyle, sure do it, but don't redo stuff you already done Better keep adding more stuff!

 

[7_lJzWy3XxoEyow7]

so Porscho must rework the look of the their cars

Porsche will never change the original project--- all cars have to looks the same?... All cars must looks like as Ferrari
you are an unimaginative conformist
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This imagewas perfect to me!... This is the REAL MILA!

Hope the Dev will avoid to follow an unimaginative conformist advice with the power to change the characters look in his game!

Thanks to be interested in my opinion!

Well you obviously didnt get my point and instead mirrored your closed mindset on to me ... Well done:qed

 

[88stanford88]

But that is the issue. Artstyle is personal, and this time you got lucky and it was changed to the one you liked. It could have been other way around. At some point developer felt pushed to update artstyle by some people, while others were happy with old style.

For me it's not the issue that the artstyle has changed, it's the issue that developer had to spend XX amount of time redoing things he already did, while he could have been focusing on adding new stuff.

So, to aDDont, please don't change things if you feel pressured by opinions. If you want to update artstyle, sure do it, but don't redo stuff you already done

this confirms that this dev is not expert... Artists have to believe in themselves.. if they change their mind this means that they are not real artists
I'm a composer... I will never change my composicion for someone that complain because i know that a music will never fit with everyone tastes
If i start to change it at the first complaining i will never complete my operas.

I hope the dev will continue the story and at the same time will adjust gradually the Mila look as he wanted at the start of his great game and his own inspiration

 

[7_lJzWy3XxoEyow7]

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the issue that the artstyle has changed, it's the issue that developer had to spend XX amount of time redoing things he already did, while he could have been focusing on adding new stuff.

So, to aDDont, please don't change things if you feel pressured by opinions. If you want to update artstyle, sure do it, but don't redo stuff you already done

I understand. And I wouldnt be here commenting and praising if dev would had not changed it from 3. to 1. (My examples). So I have no issues with dev changing it, as I dropped by in the most recent state. Your loss seems to be some others gain . Well thats life I guess.

 

[R1k0]

so Porscho must rework the look of the their cars

Porsche will never change the original project--- all cars have to looks the same?... All cars must looks like as Ferrari
you are an unimaginative conformist
View attachment 3800545

This imagewas perfect to me!... This is the REAL MILA!

Hope the Dev will avoid to follow an unimaginative conformist advice with the power to change the characters look in his game!

Thanks to be interested in my opinion!

The issue isn't with the people who are complaining, but with the decision by the developers to change the main character's model to one they are more comfortable with. There are special pony models that are better suited for sex scenes. This game is their experiment and they're looking for what works best for them.

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[88stanford88]

I understand. And I wouldnt be here commenting and praising if dev would had not changed it from 3. to 1. (My examples). So I have no issues with dev changing it, as I dropped by in the most recent state. Your loss seems to be some others gain . Well thats life I guess.

I didn't lose anything... if anything it is the dev who has lost something because I have the previous version
and even in this version the developer seems not to be sure what Mila will look like in fact in the last scenes she seems to be returning to No. 3 or NO 2

seems that here he is using your No 2 that is no good to me
I have the previous version

comparing this with the new this old one is far better
the new Mila is unexpressive!

Mila and her husband was perfect in the previous release



I prefer the old one!
hare face is more expressive

anyway I do not lose anything but it is the originality of the game that loses its original freshness!

I will savethe previous version in my archive!

 

[7_lJzWy3XxoEyow7]

The issue isn't with the people who are complaining, but with the decision by the developers to change the main character's model to one they are more comfortable with. There are special pony models that are better suited for sex scenes. This game is their experiment and they're looking for what works best for them.

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Thank you for this enlightning post and the insight! As I'm nnew to this little project I didnt dig into this very much but had a siimilar idea of what this many visual style changes caused. Maybe there was/will be also a poll about the visual style ...?

 

[7_lJzWy3XxoEyow7]

so Porscho must rework the look of the their cars

Porsche will never change the original project--- all cars have to looks the same?... All cars must looks like as Ferrari
you are an unimaginative conformist
...

This imagewas perfect to me!... This is the REAL MILA!

Hope the Dev will avoid to follow an unimaginative conformist advice with the power to change the characters look in his game!

Thanks to be interested in my opinion!

Dude calm your titts! Dont call people names if you dont want to be called upon in reverse ... I would never call you a pedophile because you love and fight for the 3. visual style! I would never!

 

[88stanford88]

Dude calm your titts! Dont call people names if you dont want to be called upon in reverse ... I would never call you a pedophile because you love and fight for the 3. visual style! I would never!

really? is the pedophilia your problem? this is a fiction without realistic characters
and Manga?
there are a lot of Japanese arts that looks in a similar way...

do you remember Sailor Moon?

I think you are just a conformist as I said o you in the "Ferrari" post
you will never understand the real art!

It is just fiction that in this way is no more actrattive how Mila was in the previous version!!

Now i will ignore you ... you have pedophilia problems!... this are just art! they are not photos of real women
Porno is something that saved a lot of girls from rape... in the fiction you can imagine everything!... if you limit your imagination just to pedophilia is your problem not mine!
Happy bigoted life to you!

 

[aDDont]

I do not understand why the dev changed just for the ones that was more faster in complaining

I changed the art style because of a number of reasons.
First of all - I hit the wall with the complicated scenes. I needed sdxl model for that, and that was the main reason)
The first model was unstable, especially with Mila's hair. Sometimes it made it red and it was extremely diffucult to fix that, sometimes it made it curvy. Sometimes I couldn't get the right length etc. Face model was more or less stable, but I had to use bunch of smaller models with face, and that lead to changes in facial structure - sometimes it choose to bend to the side of another anime style, and Mila lose her nose.
Mila was too small, and because of her petite body and small tits she looked like a loli in some pictures. Personaly I don't see her like that, but I received a couple warnings from patreon and had to delete some preview pictures because of that. And I didn't want to risk it any more.
What we've lost is a "animelike" expressions. I like the old style in that regard more, because it conveys the emotion better. But overall - new style give me much more freedom so that's why it is the main model now.

please don't change things if you feel pressured by opinions

Thank you I changed the art style first and then, after three releases, deleted pictures with the old art style. So it's more like I deleted them because I felt thretened, but I changed the art style because I found the better fitting model and learned how to work with it

Maybe there was/will be also a poll about the visual style

I am not sure why - I won't change style because majority like it or don't like it. But I will change it if I find one that fits better. That is the main reason to change it, for me

 

[ottomanfemboy]

Fat Bob is such a big turn-off. You could play much more safe.

 

[S.S. Devestation]

I changed the art style because of a number of reasons.
First of all - I hit the wall with the complicated scenes. I needed sdxl model for that, and that was the main reason)
The first model was unstable, especially with Mila's hair. Sometimes it made it red and it was extremely diffucult to fix that, sometimes it made it curvy. Sometimes I couldn't get the right length etc. Face model was more or less stable, but I had to use bunch of smaller models with face, and that lead to changes in facial structure - sometimes it chose to bend to the side of another anime style, and Mila lost her nose.
Mila was too small, and because of her petite body and small tits she looked like a loli in some pictures. Personally I don't see her like that, but I received a couple warnings from patreon and had to delete some preview pictures because of that. And I didn't want to risk it any more.
What we've lost is a "anime-like" expressions. I like the old style in that regard more, because it conveys the emotion better. But overall - new style give me much more freedom so that's why it is the main model now.


Thank you I changed the art style first and then, after three releases, deleted pictures with the old art style. So it's more like I deleted them because I felt thretened, but I changed the art style because I found the better fitting model and learned how to work with it


I am not sure why - I won't change style because majority like it or don't like it. But I will change it if I find one that fits better. That is the main reason to change it, for me

People are always going to complain if you make a change to literally anything.

Personally, i agree completely, the model you are using for Mila now (in my opinion) not only looks better, but fits the role much more. The new look almost looks like a more attractive version of Bonnie Wright who played Ginny Weasley.

I completely agree with you as well about that first look, the anime style it was in, looked super close to loli, which personally, would make me uncomfortable enough to not play it. Anyone that wants that first look back, should really reconsider if they should be posting and commenting putting that look on a pedestal, when you, the literal dev, even acknowledges that its borderline, if not literally, a loli look. I think that very first look you used that people are crying about being shelved, was way too young looking, like almost borderline loli. I agree that it looks much more anime-like, but what do anime characters look like sometimes? Too young. Fun fact, the reason many anime styles will lose a human nose, is because the point is an innocent, "cute" looking face, and to achieve this, many artists will model the face off of a literal cats head. To anyone that wants that first model back... like a man once said: "Why don't you have a seat?"

I get the wish to prefer anime-inspired expressions because they're more detailed than a more naturalistic model could achieve, but I believe the benefit of the change outweighs the drawback if it simplifies the process of manipulation. I just think anime-like expressions would just require so much more iteration to get a specific desired emotion right, compared to realism, where a face may come much more naturally.

In summary, don't listen to all the "critics" who want you to cater to their specific kinks, and don't let the minority of people burn you at the stake because you made a change. This is your project, and there's a distinction between hearing suggestions and advice, as opposed to letting people take control of your project for their own pleasure.

Cheers,
I look forward to seeing your progress.

 

[doarcutine]

If you meant it in a way that I don't have enough support - thank you.If you meant it in a way that I have too much support - sorry For me AI is just a tool. It shapes a template for your taste. Something like a 3d printer or photoshop of sorts. What is the big difference between AI generated pictures and for example 3d pictures? Most of the games made with 3d renders use the same free meshs and models. The developers just download a bunch of assets, put the dolls in the right posisition and done. A lot of games with 2d arts use real pics that used as template for picture. Isn't that stealing? For example Good girl gone bad made that way - and I absolutely adore it.For me it doesn't matter what is used to make CGs, what counts is amount of effort. You can make shitty game with Daz, you can make a good game with Daz. You can make shitty game with 2d arts, you can make a masterpiece with it too. The same is right about AI CGs. The only difference is - you can make more CGs at the same time, or the same amount with better quality. That called progress.In the past there were only paintings made by artist in real world. The artists "stole" technics one form another and developed their own styles which is most of the time is just a bunch of other styles mixed in a certain proportion. We did that untill we reached the wall - "The black square" of Malevich. He thought that time that the art is dead, or at least it's my interpretation.But then we had photographs. Which pushed the art further. There is no point of drawing something precisely if you have a way to make a picture with a click of finger. Isn't that cheating? But there are a lot of depth in lights and composition. Photos became an inspiration point for lots of artist to get away from the realism, or vise versa.Then we had PCs and photoshop. You can not only make picture, but then you can even change balance of black and whites, colors, fix it, shape as you wish.And then there were digital pictures too. People now can make photobashing for making amazing arts (like use different pictures and 3d arts with some changes).All of it called progress. On every step we swap a part of (now) useless skills to a way to automaticaly shape the form to our imagination. And AI is a part of it. I don't feel any remorse using it. It's just better than everything else. It's already here, denying it is pointless.

To be put in motion your slop machine needs art that amounts to the painstaking effort of someone who has taken it upon themselves to realize the aesthetics that you crank out of it in order to avoid having to do as they did. So don't act nonchanlant and put yourself on the same ground of the people you're taking advantage from because there's nothing egalitarian about AI. One sucker will always have to provide the hand made art necessary to automate the process of creating the art of unscrupulous persons like you.

 

[Deleted Member 69]

To be put in motion your slop machine needs art that amounts to the painstaking effort of someone who has taken it upon themselves to realize the aesthetics that you crank out of it in order to avoid having to do as they did. So don't act nonchanlant and put yourself on the same ground of the people you're taking advantage from because there's nothing egalitarian about AI. One sucker will always have to provide the hand made art necessary to automate the process of creating the art of unscrupulous persons like you.

Yet your hate speech does not explain why I keep on seeing the very same 3D model (with minor variations, at best) featured in half of the VNs whose devs aren't addressed as "unscrupulous" and lazy, but are instead glorified for what they "create".

 

[aDDont]

To be put in motion your slop machine needs art that amounts to the painstaking effort of someone who has taken it upon themselves to realize the aesthetics that you crank out of it in order to avoid having to do as they did. So don't act nonchanlant and put yourself on the same ground of the people you're taking advantage from because there's nothing egalitarian about AI. One sucker will always have to provide the hand made art necessary to automate the process of creating the art of unscrupulous persons like you.

I don't get why are you so angry about it. 3d arts are shit too? Or they are "hand made" in your opinion? If people use random gifs in their games as a representation is it bad too? Is there is the only way to make things - by hand? Krita, for example, stabilizes the lines in line art, as well as any other digital painting studio. Also it provides you a lot of help regarding colors and lights. I use them in my process too, btw. Why do we consider digital art as "art" then? The only art should be chalk scribbles on the cave walls.
As I said AI is a tool.
Here is my "hand made" art:

I spent on it about 30 hours to draw that. And here is the CG from the game:

I spent less than an hour to make this one.
What exactly is bad about the picture itself? Is the anatomy bad? Are there some artifacts? Are you seriously saying that it's worse than the "handmade" one?

 

[1264758448]

I don't get why are you so angry about it. 3d arts are shit too? Or they are "hand made" in your opinion? If people use random gifs in their games as a representation is it bad too? Is there is the only way to make things - by hand? Krita, for example, stabilizes the lines in line art, as well as any other digital painting studio. Also it provides you a lot of help regarding colors and lights. I use them in my process too, btw. Why do we consider digital art as "art" then? The only art should be chalk scribbles on the cave walls.
As I said AI is a tool.
Here is my "hand made" art:
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I spent on it about 30 hours to draw that. And here is the CG from the game:
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I spent less than an hour to make this one.
What exactly is bad about the picture itself? Is the anatomy bad? Are there some artifacts? Are you seriously saying that it's worse than the "handmade" one?

Don't worry about him, brother, I love your work so much. I am very happy to share my wife's work. Your text and pictures are perfectly in line with my taste. At least when I look at it, only a few people are losing their temper, and the rest are I really like your work, keep it up.