VN Ren'Py Mila AI [v1.5.3public] [aDDont]

[Joshy92]

That all sounds amazing, aDDont. I'm getting excited already.

 

[Saerwen]

I have no idea what happened, but I think it's not unusual for partners to fight over the work. Please calm down and let your temper subside.

I love the writing so far, especially the "thought" of Mila. I would say those thoughts are pretty accurate for submissive girls. I have no difficulty accepting the idea that Mila shares her husband with Kira. (I don't know how to perceive her as my real-life sibling; she is simply a new character to me, and our brains sometimes only register the information it wants.)

I suggest you double-check who your target audience is, because you can't satisfy everyone at once, right? If your primary audience is girls who are apt to be submissive, I wouldn't say it is a problem if things get depraved and senseless; that's what submissive girls are looking for. They might be hesitant or unable to practice those senseless ideas in real life, so they are here to experience them in games. In this case, Mila could be even more eager to turn Kira into Paul's plaything so she can lower herself even more as the other "plaything" of Paul, instead of a wife who shares equality with Paul, because you can't construct a kinky dom/sub world (or story) with a lovely and respectful wife. This is also the reason I was surprised when you declared you would develop a "loyal path."

Submissive women likes receiving not just giving which includes plenty of subs body worship.

 

[Princess Groundhog]

Submissive women likes receiving not just giving which includes plenty of subs body worship.

I can’t speak for all subby women but it’s more about being told what to do, but of course it’s different for everyone.

 

[Saerwen]

I can’t speak for all subby women but it’s more about being told what to do, but of course it’s different for everyone.

It depends on what type of Dom sub woman wants. There's a gentle Dom who focuses more on dominating a woman without telling her what to do and hard Dom who uses more strict ways of domination.

 

[Princess Groundhog]

Well there are different ways of telling, in fact the soft and gentle and encouraging way is often the best

 

[Saerwen]

Well there are different ways of telling, in fact the soft and gentle and encouraging way is often the best

Oh yeah, I like both. I guess it depends on the mood? When you feel like you are sad I think it's the best the way you said but when a pms hits you want that he have his way with you.

 

[Jstforme]

Well there are different ways of telling, in fact the soft and gentle and encouraging way is often the best

Isn't that the very definition of a Beta personality? Maybe it's just me, but when I think of an Alpha personality, that's not it...maybe it's the new generation's definition? Explains a lot of what we see of kids these days, so this may be on to something here.

 

[Saerwen]

Isn't that the very definition of a Beta personality? Maybe it's just me, but when I think of an Alpha personality, that's not it...maybe it's the new generation's definition? Explains a lot of what we see of kids these days, so this may be on to something here.

A Beta is a man who looks like wrestler and abuses and beats women but is a coward to actually fight with men when gets challenged.

 

[aDDont]

Isn't that the very definition of a Beta personality? Maybe it's just me, but when I think of an Alpha personality, that's not it...maybe it's the new generation's definition? Explains a lot of what we see of kids these days, so this may be on to something here.

Just throwing in my two cents — I don’t think it’s about being “the loudest in the room.”
To me, it’s about making things go the way you want them to.
Take Joffrey "Baratheon" from Game of Thrones. He was loud, cruel, and all about control. Tried to "train" Sansa.
How did that go? Pretty pathetic. He demanded a lot, got very little, because at the end of the day — he was just a spoiled boy, not a Dom.
He didn’t understand power, and especially not how to wield it.

Tyrion, on the other hand, could be gentle, but his mind got him what he wanted.
There were scenes where his cleverness achieved way more than Joffrey’s threats ever could.
If Sansa had stayed with him… who knows? She might’ve even learned to love him.
And then there’s Dany — who ruled through soft power more often than not.

A Dom can ask, not demand.
From personal experience (and yeah, weirdly people only associate submission with BDSM — where the sub is always a girl — but I think it’s broader than that), I served in the army and led a whole company of soldiers.
Being strict all the time doesn't work.
If you rule purely through fear, you either end up with idiots — or worse, with people pretending to be idiots.
Because if I don’t want to do what you're asking?
Sure, I’ll do it — but badly. Sloppily.
To the point where you won’t get what you want.
That’s called sabotage.

And when that dynamic goes far enough? People snap.
They stop caring. They get stubborn.
We had a word for it: "передрочили" something like "burned out", Iguess in English.
At that point, I’ll endure the punishment. I’ll take the humiliation.
But I won’t follow your lead — because you’ve lost my respect completely, so "fuck you".


Submission is complex.
Someone can bow and call you “Sir” in public — and still be mentally checked out.
Yelling won’t fix that. Punishment won’t fix that.
Like Varys said: “Power resides where people believe it resides.”

And if that’s true for a kingdom, it’s true for one-on-one too.
If you want a sub to truly respect you, to really follow your lead, not just go through the motions —
You need to make them want to do it.
You guide them into doing what they already want to do, just in your way.
And with time? If you’re lucky?
They start wanting to do things just to make you happy.

Power is delicate. Push too hard — lose their love.
Push too soft — lose their respect.
Like Geigi said: it’s about reading the room, every single moment.
That’s why a Dom should always be paying attention, staying connected to their sub.

That’s kind of what I’m doing with Mila.
Even though she’s super submissive most of the time — if you trace her thoughts, she always does exactly what she wants.
She just wraps it in the illusion that she’s doing it for someone else.
In my view, subs can be incredibly selfish, demanding, and jealous of attention.
But that’s what makes them so adorable — that neediness is part of their charm.

Most games (and porn, honestly) focus on crappy Doms — dudes who don’t give a damn what the sub wants and just “dominate.”
So I wanted to show it from sub's (Mila’s) side.
Because subs can be messy and sweet and chaotic in their selfishness — and that deserves to be seen.

Though honestly, I’m not claiming to be an expert.
Just some personal thoughts and fantasies, really

 

[Saerwen]

Just throwing in my two cents — I don’t think it’s about being “the loudest in the room.”
To me, it’s about making things go the way you want them to.
Take Joffrey "Baratheon" from Game of Thrones. He was loud, cruel, and all about control. Tried to "train" Sansa.
How did that go? Pretty pathetic. He demanded a lot, got very little, because at the end of the day — he was just a spoiled boy, not a Dom.
He didn’t understand power, and especially not how to wield it.

Tyrion, on the other hand, could be gentle, but his mind got him what he wanted.
There were scenes where his cleverness achieved way more than Joffrey’s threats ever could.
If Sansa had stayed with him… who knows? She might’ve even learned to love him.
And then there’s Dany — who ruled through soft power more often than not.

A Dom can ask, not demand.
From personal experience (and yeah, weirdly people only associate submission with BDSM — where the sub is always a girl — but I think it’s broader than that), I served in the army and led a whole company of soldiers.
Being strict all the time doesn't work.
If you rule purely through fear, you either end up with idiots — or worse, with people pretending to be idiots.
Because if I don’t want to do what you're asking?
Sure, I’ll do it — but badly. Sloppily.
To the point where you won’t get what you want.
That’s called sabotage.

And when that dynamic goes far enough? People snap.
They stop caring. They get stubborn.
We had a word for it: "передрочили" something like "burned out", Iguess in English.
At that point, I’ll endure the punishment. I’ll take the humiliation.
But I won’t follow your lead — because you’ve lost my respect completely, so "fuck you".


Submission is complex.
Someone can bow and call you “Sir” in public — and still be mentally checked out.
Yelling won’t fix that. Punishment won’t fix that.
Like Varys said: “Power resides where people believe it resides.”

And if that’s true for a kingdom, it’s true for one-on-one too.
If you want a sub to truly respect you, to really follow your lead, not just go through the motions —
You need to make them want to do it.
You guide them into doing what they already want to do, just in your way.
And with time? If you’re lucky?
They start wanting to do things just to make you happy.

Power is delicate. Push too hard — lose their love.
Push too soft — lose their respect.
Like Geigi said: it’s about reading the room, every single moment.
That’s why a Dom should always be paying attention, staying connected to their sub.

That’s kind of what I’m doing with Mila.
Even though she’s super submissive most of the time — if you trace her thoughts, she always does exactly what she wants.
She just wraps it in the illusion that she’s doing it for someone else.
In my view, subs can be incredibly selfish, demanding, and jealous of attention.
But that’s what makes them so adorable — that neediness is part of their charm.

Most games (and porn, honestly) focus on crappy Doms — dudes who don’t give a damn what the sub wants and just “dominate.”
So I wanted to show it from sub's (Mila’s) side.
Because subs can be messy and sweet and chaotic in their selfishness — and that deserves to be seen.

Though honestly, I’m not claiming to be an expert.
Just some personal thoughts and fantasies, really

Joffrey...Oh god, I hated that little shit.

 

[DeviantFun]

Isn't that the very definition of a Beta personality? Maybe it's just me, but when I think of an Alpha personality, that's not it...maybe it's the new generation's definition? Explains a lot of what we see of kids these days, so this may be on to something here.

I am definitely not in the "new generation" kinda far from it, but if being gentle and caring towards your partner is "beta" (damn you Shaun Ellis and your janky wolves research) then I'd rather be a "beta".

If that is your genuine thought your idea of domination is, no offense, cartoonish at best.
Real life is not a DBCOMIX representation.

Holding your sub within your arms after a difficult session is one of the most intimate things you can experience.
Caressing and using encouraging words during a pretty harsh session when they are challenging their bodies (for YOU I might add) is wonderful.
Setting goals for your own sub improvement and helping them through the challenge gives a great sense of accomplishment.

Does that mean you can't degrade them? That you shouldn't be stern when required? Absolutely not, but in the end Domination is responsability of the highest order, your sub put herself in your hands, willingly and earnestly, the LEAST you could do is taking care of them.
Plus aDDont is right, many times is a meeting of needs between you and your sub, I've seen Doms being way more devastated when the relationship ended for example.

 

[Princess Groundhog]

Wonderfully said, aDDont and DF. No notes!

I guess I would just echo what was said above, adding that being a subby girl at least for me, means often repressing the dark slutty fantasies I have. A good dominant partner would know what buttons to push, what do say and what do do, to bring that to the surface and realize them. For both of us, but I agree that, maybe not selfishness, but definitely a big need is a huge part of the kink.

 

[Princess Groundhog]

 

[Saerwen]

Unfortunately, most porn games that have a BDSM have just abuse than an actual BDSM.

 

[DeviantFun]

Unfortunately, most porn games that have a BDSM have just abuse than an actual BDSM.

I mean, it is good to let your fantasy run off.

Which Dom wouldn't want the perfect sub that fits exactly to their taste or vice versa?
I enjoy some games here which cater to my tastes but I know how far feteched they are but it is exciting nonetheless.
I mean how cool it is to "live" a 24/7 without all the responsabilities or burnout that those setup bring to the table?
Or having no physical consequences so it doesn't matter if you fuck up?

Then you have games that try to be a bit more realistic and are even better sometimes because you can relate to your own experiences.

The problem is folks that get their ideas twisted and think the former are a great representation on what BDSM is.
And then they expect to have an emotionless sub in full latex scrubbing the floor with their tongue sporting a gigantic butt plug on 24/7 as the standard.
Anything less and it is "beta".

 

[Saerwen]

I mean, it is good to let your fantasy run off.

Which Dom wouldn't want the perfect sub that fits exactly to their taste or vice versa?
I enjoy some games here which cater to my tastes but I know how far feteched they are but it is exciting nonetheless.
I mean how cool it is to "live" a 24/7 without all the responsabilities or burnout that those setup bring to the table?
Or having no physical consequences so it doesn't matter if you fuck up?

Then you have games that try to be a bit more realistic and are even better sometimes because you can relate to your own experiences.

The problem is folks that get their ideas twisted and think the former are a great representation on what BDSM is.
And then they expect to have an emotionless sub in full latex scrubbing the floor with their tongue sporting a gigantic butt plug on 24/7 as the standard.
Anything less and it is "beta".

Yeah, as someone who's very sensitive about people and animals, reading books/watching movies and playing games makes me either love characters or hate them. How can you enjoy stories if you don't feel anything for the characters. Seeing male characters in porn games treat female characters like anything than a human being is making me feel disgusted. Porn should be wholesome and kinky, otherwise is just abuse and frankly most Devs can't write passionate sex for shit. It's like they write about animal mating rather than human sex.

 

[slavegal]

Humans' behaviours are complicated, especially activities like BDSM that are full of contradictions; every participant has a unique need. However, BDSM activities are not about love, emotion or even sex, TBO. Whether or not submissive girls love their partners is irrelevant, vice versa. Fundamentally, BDSM activity is generally a reveal of the other personality of the participant; it's about the subtle needs that we don't show in our daily lives. We can fall in love with our gentle and thoughtful partner in real life; however, it is always the other personality that speaks in a BDSM session. I would fail to distinguish BDSM if it were also as gentle and caring as the daily vanilla relationship that we already have.


I am never submissive in real life; many would say I am a stubborn and argumentative girl instead. But in the BDSM world, I am looking for a sense of absolute self-abandonment, so I don't have to make choices, I don't have to take any responsibility, thus I can feel the absolute liberty, and be carefree. On the other hand, most of my partners are gentle and caring in real life. I expect their transformation in the BDSM session, like what they would expect from me. Nothing that happens in BDSM is about our real-life prominent personality and relationship; we are all role-playing in BDSM, in a sense of a second personality. I love being at others' disposal and being objectified because of my submissive personality, with the mindset that no real harm would come to me.

Love, emotion and care come before and after the BDSM session, provided the dom can satisfy my secret desires in the BDSM session, where I am treated like an object, or in an even "better" way. I would be resentful and sulk if they fail to deal with me properly in the session, no matter how gentle and caring they are afterwards. So, technically speaking, BDSM has nothing to do with gentleness and emotion.

Extensively speaking, girls need to select a nice partner who cares about us, BUT also knows what we seek in BDSM. That's why they put "communication" at the top of the list displayed above by Princess Groundhog, and never go with someone we don't know well. Still, it seems to be universal for everyone, not only for girls looking for BDSM activity.

Even with all caution, I wouldn't get involved in certain extreme, dark fantasies like drug use, gangbang by strangers or pregnancy, even though they sound pretty arousing to me; that's when I turn to games. So, what's the fun of a game if it still abides by the real-life rules and treats players like decent ladies, like who we all are in daily life? If we obediently follow every rule of real life, why gaming?

 

[Saerwen]

I mean, it is good to let your fantasy run off.

Which Dom wouldn't want the perfect sub that fits exactly to their taste or vice versa?
I enjoy some games here which cater to my tastes but I know how far feteched they are but it is exciting nonetheless.
I mean how cool it is to "live" a 24/7 without all the responsabilities or burnout that those setup bring to the table?
Or having no physical consequences so it doesn't matter if you fuck up?

Then you have games that try to be a bit more realistic and are even better sometimes because you can relate to your own experiences.

The problem is folks that get their ideas twisted and think the former are a great representation on what BDSM is.
And then they expect to have an emotionless sub in full latex scrubbing the floor with their tongue sporting a gigantic butt plug on 24/7 as the standard.
Anything less and it is "beta".

Yeah, like 50 Shades of Grey have nothing to do with BDSM like people said who are in that community practising it. So, there's rarely any fiction that truly represents it but props to people who at least research before they write about it like our Dev of Mila.

 

[Princess Groundhog]

So, what's the fun of a game if it still abides by the real-life rules and treats players like decent ladies, like who we all are in daily life? If we obediently follow every rule of real life, why gaming?

I think both can be true in a good game. Paul can treat Mila like an object and everything during their play but still follow real-life rules. Almost all porn games with kink are written by people who don’t understand it and that can give players an impression that that’s okay. I feel like this game is trying to strike a good balance between total fantasy and reality, and it works great!

 

[Saerwen]

I think both can be true in a good game. Paul can treat Mila like an object and everything during their play but still follow real-life rules. Almost all porn games with kink are written by people who don’t understand it and that can give players an impression that that’s okay. I feel like this game is trying to strike a good balance between total fantasy and reality, and it works great!

This. Games should be balanced in terms of reality and fantasy. Now, you have a fantasy genre which of course is made to be not realistic at all like LOTR.