Ren'Py Completed MILF's Plaza [Steam 17a3] [Texic]

[Epistofey]

A game that goes from A to Z by - potentially - passing every letter of the alphabet is a game with no structure or form. How can a developper keep patreons interested if he's denaturing his game by answering everyone's need ?

What you are yearning for, with your "win-win" situation, are games without coherent narration. Those games that stay as unfinished products because their authors meddled with every groups' wishes to the point where every patreons began to despise their games.

It's like in real life : you're not looking for a race car to equip it with a trailer. Same with people : you never like people with no opinions, who follows everyone.

To be honest, I think the only reason you're so indignant is NTR specifically.

 

[Deleted member 4425704]

To be honest, I think the only reason you're so indignant is NTR specifically.

I didn't talk about NTR. And I didn't even talk about this game specifically in my answer.

It was about the process of making games trying to please everyone - with polls, add-ons, events , what-ifs when the game is still working ; remake, rewrite, re-whatever when everything is crumbling down.

This logic is absurd because the possibilities are infinite. There is no happy end with those games.

 

[kishanth1234]

i cant give the collected flower, what do i need to do?

 

[Texic]

I didn't talk about NTR. And I didn't even talk about this game specifically in my answer.

It was about the process of making games trying to please everyone - with polls, add-ons, events , what-ifs when the game is still working ; remake, rewrite, re-whatever when everything is crumbling down.

This logic is absurd because the possibilities are infinite. There is no happy end with those games.

Any complex project, especially one created by a small team, cannot exist in a vacuum, ignoring the interest of its audience.
Like any artist, I am a narcissist. It is important for me that people admire the result of my work. Because I create not for myself, but for people, but what I personally like. And if I'm interested in newfangled trends in a genre that I like (for example, NTR), it means that I study the mood of the players. You need to always feel your audience, analyze trends and correctly integrate new chips if they are in demand.

I'm not creating a niche project for two aesthetes. I want to create a cool erotic sandbox. I like to satisfy the needs of the majority, because I consider myself one of them.

Many authors make original projects, but get burned, ignoring criticism. I don't want my game to disappear halfway through development because "I'm kind of the smartest."

A couple of years ago I did the Sweet F. Cake project. Later, I was contacted by a publisher who saw potential in me. He was playing a game and smashed it to pieces. I rewrote almost the entire game again. More than 300 pages. And it saved our game. We have "Very positive reviews" on Steam. If I had left everything as it is, then most likely it would have been a huge failure. I look at my old, original plot and wonder how I came up with such stupidity?
Now I have the experience. And Milf's Plaza has so far avoided all the mistakes I made in the previous project.

 

[Logandyo]

There is incest path: Mega

How to install:
put "incest_patch.rpyc" to "MilfsPlaza-0.1f(ENG)-pc/game/" folder and restart game. View attachment 896274

To check that the patch is installed correctly go to "main menu" > "Credits"
View attachment 896276

when i put the patch in the folder, it installs correctly but, the game starts to crash sometimes

 

[Deepfaceboy]

Lubricate the door with the salad oil from the kitchen. May be that helps.

It did indeed, thank you.

 

[TheSimonizer]

A game that goes from A to Z by - potentially - passing every letter of the alphabet is a game with no structure or form. How can a developper keep patreons interested if he's denaturing his game by answering everyone's need ?

What you are yearning for, with your "win-win" situation, are games without coherent narration. Those games that stay as unfinished products because their authors meddled with every groups' wishes to the point where every patreons began to despise their games.

It's like in real life : you're not looking for a race car to equip it with a trailer. Same with people : you never like people with no opinions, who follows everyone.

First, you are taking things way to literally. Letters are just an example, you don't need to go from a to z, that's a construct of the alphabet, not of storytelling, which is what this analogy is about.

Replace the letters with this. His vision is Story 1 - Story 2 - Story 3 - Ending. If he adds some bonus content inbetween his story beats, that he controls anyway because he's the one putting up the votes, and fans are more invested because they have an impact and therefor contribute financially more, again, Win-win.

I'm not saying what you are saying is never true, but it's a big generalization. Yes, some peoples dont have a vision and they make polls, but it's not because you make polls that you necessarily have no vision.

 

[Deleted member 4425704]

First, you are taking things way to literally. Letters are just an example, you don't need to go from a to z, that's a construct of the alphabet, not of storytelling, which is what this analogy is about.

Replace the letters with this. His vision is Story 1 - Story 2 - Story 3 - Ending. If he adds some bonus content inbetween his story beats, that he controls anyway because he's the one putting up the votes, and fans are more invested because they have an impact and therefor contribute financially more, again, Win-win.

I'm not saying what you are saying is never true, but it's a big generalization. Yes, some peoples dont have a vision and they make polls, but it's not because you make polls that you necessarily have no vision.

I was following your analogy, you know ?

More than that, I took your logic into its most absurd iteration (you call it generalization) because, in my opinion, it is the only issue there can be : going into Story 1 - Story 2 - Story 3... you'll never get over it and you'll only create insatisfaction - that you'll try to appease with Story 4 - Story 5 - Story 6...

Author may have an global idea of his story. But meddling too much with its community, there'll be no story no more.

 

[Deleted member 4425704]

Any complex project, especially one created by a small team, cannot exist in a vacuum, ignoring the interest of its audience.
Like any artist, I am a narcissist. It is important for me that people admire the result of my work. Because I create not for myself, but for people, but what I personally like. And if I'm interested in newfangled trends in a genre that I like (for example, NTR), it means that I study the mood of the players. You need to always feel your audience, analyze trends and correctly integrate new chips if they are in demand.

I'm not creating a niche project for two aesthetes. I want to create a cool erotic sandbox. I like to satisfy the needs of the majority, because I consider myself one of them.

Many authors make original projects, but get burned, ignoring criticism. I don't want my game to disappear halfway through development because "I'm kind of the smartest."

A couple of years ago I did the Sweet F. Cake project. Later, I was contacted by a publisher who saw potential in me. He was playing a game and smashed it to pieces. I rewrote almost the entire game again. More than 300 pages. And it saved our game. We have "Very positive reviews" on Steam. If I had left everything as it is, then most likely it would have been a huge failure. I look at my old, original plot and wonder how I came up with such stupidity?
Now I have the experience. And Milf's Plaza has so far avoided all the mistakes I made in the previous project.

Don't get offended by what I'm about to say : I don't think you're an artist and I don't think you should see yourself as an artist. I'm not saying you're not because you're making a porn game. But you said it yourself : you run a project and your aim is to get it to work by following trends ; you want to please to the majority and get good reviews ; you're trying to make something "cool". I'm not saying this is bad thinking. But it is not artistry to me - even if today, everyone think he is an artist because he's creating something. You're a project manager, a drawer, a writer... anything you do on this project. But artist is out of the definition - mine at least.

So you run a project that is ruled by the law of demand and trends, meaning your game might change its focus as time pass. First, what would happen to the part of the game that has already been developped and is deemed outdated and unpopular ? Then, how would you handle an erratic demand stemming from your desire to please the majority and - let's be honest - the urge to make the most money ? You'll have to make an undefinited number of adjustments ; and not just on what will be done, but also on what is already done. The rest of the process I've already written about it earlier.

I didn't play your previous game and played the current by CTRLing because I was only interested in your drawings. Bear in mind that I wasn't focusing my earlier posts on your game but on how some people develop their game.

 

[Epistofey]

I didn't talk about NTR. And I didn't even talk about this game specifically in my answer.

It was about the process of making games trying to please everyone - with polls, add-ons, events , what-ifs when the game is still working ; remake, rewrite, re-whatever when everything is crumbling down.

This logic is absurd because the possibilities are infinite. There is no happy end with those games.

Yes, you didn't talk about it. But your persistence in venting your pain about the game you "played the current by CTRLing" indicates that it is perceived as a personal insult. And it's all too typical a story, after all.

 

[Deleted member 4425704]

Yes, you didn't talk about it. But your persistence in venting your pain about the game you "played the current by CTRLing" indicates that it is perceived as a personal insult. And it's all too typical a story, after all.

Psychologists on the Internet really are the best. This is the second time you reply to a discussion you're not part of ; and the second time you reply by adding nothing to it.

All in all, you don't want to talk and exchange here. You just want to feel superior to others by psychologizing them from nothing.

To condescent others in order to feel good on a porn thread : what a life you have.

 

[Epistofey]

Psychologists on the Internet really are the best. This is the second time you reply to a discussion you're not part of ; and the second time you reply by adding nothing to it.

All in all, you don't want to talk and exchange here. You just want to feel superior to others by psychologizing them from nothing.

To condescent others in order to feel good on a porn thread : what a life you have.

Man, in the post above, you literally devoted three hefty paragraphs to a veiled expression of insults. And you're telling me that I want to feel superior? You could honestly write that you are angry with the author about the fact that he considered the possibility of adding NTR, this would at least be honest.

 

[Deleted member 4425704]

Man, in the post above, you literally devoted three hefty paragraphs to a veiled expression of insults. And you're telling me that I want to feel superior? You could honestly write that you are angry with the author about the fact that he considered the possibility of adding NTR, this would at least be honest.

Toughen up a little. Where do you see insults ? You, trying to assign random emotions to me from the get-go, this is insulting.

But no wonder you'd want to disdain others : you're too frail to even handle a discussion. Go on, keep on trying to hide your insecurities.

 

[Texic]

Don't get offended by what I'm about to say : I don't think you're an artist and I don't think you should see yourself as an artist. I'm not saying you're not because you're making a porn game. But you said it yourself : you run a project and your aim is to get it to work by following trends ; you want to please to the majority and get good reviews ; you're trying to make something "cool". I'm not saying this is bad thinking. But it is not artistry to me - even if today, everyone think he is an artist because he's creating something. You're a project manager, a drawer, a writer... anything you do on this project. But artist is out of the definition - mine at least.

So you run a project that is ruled by the law of demand and trends, meaning your game might change its focus as time pass. First, what would happen to the part of the game that has already been developped and is deemed outdated and unpopular ? Then, how would you handle an erratic demand stemming from your desire to please the majority and - let's be honest - the urge to make the most money ? You'll have to make an undefinited number of adjustments ; and not just on what will be done, but also on what is already done. The rest of the process I've already written about it earlier.

I didn't play your previous game and played the current by CTRLing because I was only interested in your drawings. Bear in mind that I wasn't focusing my earlier posts on your game but on how some people develop their game.

Draftsman, illustrator, artist, creator. I don't care) The main thing is that I do my job well.

I have already explained my position. Let me not write the same thing again.

 

[Sandstorm 99]

I'm happy the game is back on track
Though I was afraid of the possibility of ntr cause I can't stomach this fetish, this game has a great potential

 

[Pooley79]

Can someone help me with milf palaza im stuck im trying to get the cheat codes

 

[ktemanuel]

i'm in the part where igor is opening the safe the game tells me to put the pants in the washing machine i did it but i keep getting the same help i don't know what to do.

 

[TheSimonizer]

I was following your analogy, you know ?

More than that, I took your logic into its most absurd iteration (you call it generalization) because, in my opinion, it is the only issue there can be : going into Story 1 - Story 2 - Story 3... you'll never get over it and you'll only create insatisfaction - that you'll try to appease with Story 4 - Story 5 - Story 6...

Author may have an global idea of his story. But meddling too much with its community, there'll be no story no more.

Here's the last thing I'll say about this;

The points you are making are somewhat valid, although not for this specific project, in my opinion.
But the way you express yourself, again, is in very broad generalization.

You seem to have saw a few projects who didn't handle the community input well, and now you seem to assume that there's no way to do it properly, there's no way to balance. It's either you go with your vision alone, or your a schmock and you just follow what the community wants for money. That's where your wrong.

Is it a possibility? Yes. Is it always the case? Absolutely not.

A lot of creators proved that it is possible to have a vision, while also including their community's requests in there to spruce up the sells/patreons. It's all about balance.

Anywayyyy, I'm done with this discussion. Have a good day!

 

[Deleted member 4425704]

Here's the last thing I'll say about this;

The points you are making are somewhat valid, although not for this specific project, in my opinion.
But the way you express yourself, again, is in very broad generalization.

You seem to have saw a few projects who didn't handle the community input well, and now you seem to assume that there's no way to do it properly, there's no way to balance. It's either you go with your vision alone, or your a schmock and you just follow what the community wants for money. That's where your wrong.

Is it a possibility? Yes. Is it always the case? Absolutely not.

A lot of creators proved that it is possible to have a vision, while also including their community's requests in there to spruce up the sells/patreons. It's all about balance.

Anywayyyy, I'm done with this discussion. Have a good day!

And I persist.

You complain about generalization, let's be specific then: we're talking about an unfinished game ; judged on updates published on a relative regular basis ; paid on a monthly subscription. Let's be real: the objective isn't about finishing games. The author want to maximize his income by making the game development last and open his narration with various themes (for example, creating multiple paths for specific kinks) to gather multiple types of players. That would be the logic - and again, I have no moral views against it.

You and the game developer said it: to earn more:

You need to always feel your audience, analyze trends and correctly integrate new chips if they are in demand.

It's all about balance.

I'll answer by quoting an unanswered paragraph I wrote:

So you run a project that is ruled by the law of demand and trends, meaning your game might change its focus as time pass. First, what would happen to the part of the game that has already been developped and is deemed outdated and unpopular ? Then, how would you handle an erratic demand stemming from your desire to please the majority and - let's be honest - the urge to make the most money ? You'll have to make an undefinited number of adjustments ; and not just on what will be done, but also on what is already done. The rest of the process I've already written about it earlier.

The balance you are talking about is an undefinite run behind trends and group's desideratas. This is the logic you fail to see.
And you're right: I'm done talking to people who can't have a logical discussion, who prefers to talk about rubbish things like personal emotions against a kink or experiences to failed games.

 

[detramos]

i played game m supposed to go to contact ivan at noon in park to find out how to open safe but he is not there, what do i do