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[AlexMpog]

Hmm that is an interesting point of view, and to be honest I'd still say the tag should remain, harem (or whatever tag) might not be the end-game result in a VN, but if it's part of it.

Nope, I don't agree, just imagine the backlash in the end - I've been there, not even once. Unless Developer warns everybody beforehand in OP/thread, but again - even in this case reading OP is "beyond" for some players. So - no, for Dev's own sake better not.

Personally I'm not harem fan and couldn't care less, solo ending is always my canon and has the highest priority, but for some players it's the whole purpose of the game - to end up with all the girls.

There's also the problem of games (not mine - but quite a few ive played) where they can play like a harem early on but it's impossible to carry that through long term - either you're forced to make choices, or there's consequences to trying it. I've seen some tagged "harem" early on, despite there being no intention of making them so long-term.

True, happens from time to time, some new Devs don't know the tags definitions, at least a few come to my mine now.
They deleted tag later, and nowadays if it happens - it happens rarely, because the experienced harem-audience just keep asking questions in thread until they get a very clear answer - by that moment Dev fully understands what "harem" tag means.

By my definition it isn't. But I also don't really know what a term would be, it's not cheating if they know about each other. Maybe a 'fuck around' tag or something??

"Play the field" tag, sounds good

 

[MiltonPowers]

(wish I wasn't again out of reactions hehe)

Don't get me wrong I do agree that the tag system is far from perfect, but trying to be "open me" I'll say a kink is a kink, some might love it some might hate it, no judjment on my side.

In that sense having a harem for let's say 1/2 the game, but ultimately having a solo ending is not much different from having netorare for 1/2 of the game and by the end solving the situation.

I picked NTR on purpose because I know how divisive it can be (and I know is a bit of a stretched analogy), but that's the whole point of tags, to give at least an idea of what kind of content we as readers/players can expect to see in a project.

Also everytime I see the harem tag I think:

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The problem (as I see it) is that under those circumstances you can catch them all, but you can't keep them all. If you can't keep them all, is it harem? By my definition it isn't. But I also don't really know what a term would be, it's not cheating if they know about each other. Maybe a 'fuck around' tag or something??

 

[Ricthequick]

Nope, man, just imagine the backlash in the end - I've been there, not even once. Unless Developer warns everybody beforehand in OP/thread, but again - even in this case reading OP is "beyond" for some players. So - no, for Dev's own sake better not.

Personally I'm not harem fan and couldn't care less, solo ending is always my canon and has the highest priority, but for some players it's the whole purpose of the game - to end up with all the girls.


True, happens from time to time, some new Devs don't know the tags definitions, at least a few come to my mine now.
They deleted tag later, and nowadays if it happens - it happens rarely, because the experienced harem-audience just keep asking questions in thread until they get a very clear answer - by that moment Dev fully understands what "harem" tag means.

As everything I post it's just my point of view, which is by definition limited, being just mine.

Personally the only reason I check tags is to avoid something I really don't want to see, period, there isn't much I absolutely don't want to see (yes I'm a kinky fucker hehe), stories and games are interesting because they are different and authors can express what they want.

That something thou I really don't want to see... I don't care if it's just a couple of scenes, the whole vibe or the end-game, I want to stay clear of it (e.g. bestiality stuff).

Now I'll go quietly back to my corner.

The problem (as I see it) is that under those circumstances you can catch them all, but you can't keep them all. If you can't keep them all, is it harem? By my definition it isn't. But I also don't really know what a term would be, it's not cheating if they know about each other. Maybe a 'fuck around' tag or something??

I also totally see your point, all of your points tbh, in general folks are a bit too sensitive on these topics, when they could just simply get the f out of a VN they don't like, there's probably no real winning for a dev, especially if you want to keep some level of secrecy on your story.

(if I actually don't click send before I finish to write... sigh)

 

[Cskin Games]

The problem (as I see it) is that under those circumstances you can catch them all, but you can't keep them all. If you can't keep them all, is it harem? By my definition it isn't. But I also don't really know what a term would be, it's not cheating if they know about each other. Maybe a 'fuck around' tag or something??

The term I've seen used (which I don't like personally but it does sort of accurately describe things) is "fake harem" - which is sort of the point IMO, if you can't end the game with a harem, it was never a harem to begin with. The whole "the ntr still exists" argument IMO doesn't work because in this case it never was harem to begin with.

My issue with the "fake harem" thing is mostly because of how it's used - people often use it to imply the dev is somehow attempting to "trick" the player or something like that. That's very rarely the case - I very often see devs with concrete "This is a harem" or "This won't be a harem" statements - I haven't really seen anyone try to "trick" the player.

At the end of the day tags are meant to inform the player of what content is in the game - I think tagging a game "harem" when the dev has no intention of a harem ending or anything like that, is misleading because it gives people false expectations.

Then again over-tagging is a thing too. NSL is tagged "sandbox" because it contains freeroams - which makes less than 0 sense IMO. People who want a sandbox will be disappointed, and people who hate sandboxes might skip it just because of that. And then there's games with optional content - say something is tagged watersports because there's a (completely optional) scene containing it - should that be there, since it's fully skippable and you only see if it you actually want to/say you want to in-game? Maybe, but then again it might turn ppl off who dislike that content, even if they never have to see it.

As everything I post it's just my point of view, which is by definition limited, being just mine.

Personally the only reason I check tags is to avoid something I really don't want to see, period, there isn't much I absolutely don't want to see (yes I'm a kinky fucker hehe), stories and games are interesting because they are different and authors can express what they want.

That something thou I really don't want to see... I don't care if it's just a couple of scenes, the whole vibe or the end-game, I want to stay clear of it (e.g. bestiality stuff).

Now I'll go quietly back to my corner.



I also totally see your point, all of your points tbh

Nah, youre good. Nothing wrong with disagreements, as long as ppl don't get weird and angry about it.

 

[Ricthequick]

The term I've seen used (which I don't like personally but it does sort of accurately describe things) is "fake harem" - which is sort of the point IMO, if you can't end the game with a harem, it was never a harem to begin with. The whole "the ntr still exists" argument IMO doesn't work because in this case it never was harem to begin with.

My issue with the "fake harem" thing is mostly because of how it's used - people often use it to imply the dev is somehow attempting to "trick" the player or something like that. That's very rarely the case - I very often see devs with concrete "This is a harem" or "This won't be a harem" statements - I haven't really seen anyone try to "trick" the player.

At the end of the day tags are meant to inform the player of what content is in the game - I think tagging a game "harem" when the dev has no intention of a harem ending or anything like that, is misleading because it gives people false expectations.

Then again over-tagging is a thing too. NSL is tagged "sandbox" because it contains freeroams - which makes less than 0 sense IMO. People who want a sandbox will be disappointed, and people who hate sandboxes might skip it just because of that. And then there's games with optional content - say something is tagged watersports because there's a (completely optional) scene containing it - should that be there, since it's fully skippable and you only see if it you actually want to/say you want to in-game? Maybe, but then again it might turn ppl off who dislike that content, even if they never have to see it.




Nah, youre good. Nothing wrong with disagreements, as long as ppl don't get weird and angry about it.

I do not envy you mate, I mean I do a bit since I'm a talentless hack (well at least for what concerns dev skills), but as I said there's no winning, you'll always get the whining.

Writing this just to replace a thumb up, because I totally see where you are coming from.

 

[AlexMpog]

As everything I post it's just my point of view, which is by definition limited, being just mine.

Personally the only reason I check tags is to avoid something I really don't want to see, period, there isn't much I absolutely don't want to see (yes I'm a kinky fucker hehe), stories and games are interesting because they are different and authors can express what they want.

That something thou I really don't want to see... I don't care if it's just a couple of scenes, the whole vibe or the end-game, I want to stay clear of it (e.g. bestiality stuff).

Now I'll go quietly back to my corner.



I also totally see your point, all of your points tbh, in general folks are a bit too sensitive on these topics, when they could just simply get the f out of a VN they don't like, there's probably no real winning for a dev, especially if you want to keep some level of secrecy on your story.

(if I actually don't click send before I finish to write... sigh)

Yeah, no problem here.

I just get to speak with a few Devs from time to time, it depends on your personality and ability to deal with such stuff, but it can be really stressful to deal with backlash - what you see in a thread is one thing, but, there are also DM and other platforms as well.
And if you for example intentionally mislead audience by tagging your game with harem while not planning such an ending - it can be pretty rough in the end, the same goes for pretty much any theme. Though I admit harem crowd is the most... "passionate")))

As for avoiding stuff, nah, on this matter current tags are not really helpful) not for me at least, I'm picky.

Also everytime I see the harem tag I think:

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The thing is - I never saw "Pokemons" series. I didn't know what it is (just some very general stuff) until I registered on this website)

 

[Dessolos]

Personally I wish there was a partial and full harem tag. To me not everyone needs to be part of the harem to consider it as such. But I think it would make things less confusing at times in certain games ive seen. Then of course something like a manslut tag for playing the field but having to commit later.

 

[metamorphMP]

I just get to speak with a few Devs from time to time, it depends on your personality and ability to deal with such stuff, but it can be really stressful to deal with backlash - what you see in a thread is one thing, but, there are also DM and other platforms as well.

I know at least 1 developer who quit because players were harassing him.

Personally I wish there was a partial and full harem tag. To me not everyone needs to be part of the harem to consider it as such. But I think it would make things less confusing at times in certain games ive seen. Then of course something like a manslut tag for playing the field but having to commit later.

I think people still'll be complaining in a threads with "partial harem" tag and demanding full harem) I'm pessimist

 

[MiltonPowers]

The term I've seen used (which I don't like personally but it does sort of accurately describe things) is "fake harem" - which is sort of the point IMO, if you can't end the game with a harem, it was never a harem to begin with. The whole "the ntr still exists" argument IMO doesn't work because in this case it never was harem to begin with.

My issue with the "fake harem" thing is mostly because of how it's used - people often use it to imply the dev is somehow attempting to "trick" the player or something like that. That's very rarely the case - I very often see devs with concrete "This is a harem" or "This won't be a harem" statements - I haven't really seen anyone try to "trick" the player.

At the end of the day tags are meant to inform the player of what content is in the game - I think tagging a game "harem" when the dev has no intention of a harem ending or anything like that, is misleading because it gives people false expectations.

Then again over-tagging is a thing too. NSL is tagged "sandbox" because it contains freeroams - which makes less than 0 sense IMO. People who want a sandbox will be disappointed, and people who hate sandboxes might skip it just because of that. And then there's games with optional content - say something is tagged watersports because there's a (completely optional) scene containing it - should that be there, since it's fully skippable and you only see if it you actually want to/say you want to in-game? Maybe, but then again it might turn ppl off who dislike that content, even if they never have to see it.

Nah, youre good. Nothing wrong with disagreements, as long as ppl don't get weird and angry about it.

I've always taken more notice of the tags listed in the Genre Spoiler than the top of the page anyway. Maybe when the new tags get implemented (if I'm still alive), I'll take more notice. I just had a quick look at the proposed new ones, and there is still nothing (in my mind) that describes the fuck around before making a choice near the end scenario. Probably the closest is open relationship, but that would indicate the LIs could be with others too, which is not the intent of this scenario.

 

[metamorphMP]

I've always taken more notice of the tags listed in the Genre Spoiler than the top of the page anyway. Maybe when the new tags get implemented (if I'm still alive), I'll take more notice. I just had a quick look at the proposed new ones, and there is still nothing (in my mind) that describes the fuck around before making a choice near the end scenario. Probably the closest is open relationship, but that would indicate the LIs could be with others too, which is not the intent of this scenario.

Can you give the link please, I'll take a look too.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Can you give the link please, I'll take a look too.

Sure

The overview is https://f95zone.to/threads/new-tag-discussion.168425/

The actual proposed tags are https://f95zone.to/sam/planned_tags-v2.html

 

[MiltonPowers]

I know at least 1 developer who quit because players were harassing him.

I can think of a few too. Some they bring on themselves by not being honest, but most are just harassed because the game doesn't fit with what they want.

Haunted university is a good example, a first release, Dev was trying to explain where he was going and what he was going to do and people never gave him a chance. To be fair (and this in an outsider's view), I felt he was trying to please, the NTR and ANTI-NTR people and instead all those groups were upset. You can't please everybody and if I can give any advice to a dev, it's decide what you want to do and stick to your plan, take advice if it's constructive, but still decide for yourself if you want to implement it or not.

I didn't have a problem, he made it clear who was LI and the girl we saw with another guy was not LI, so then the complaints started that she was hotter than the LIs and how unfair it was. (Never mind, that you could avoid seeing it anyway).

I thought he had a good premise, and was prepared to ride it out and see where it went. It had a number of things that could have been done better, but it was his first go and the criticism and attacks were ridiculous. I don't blame him for shutting it down.

Most reasonable people will decide this game is not for me, delete it, put it on ignore and move on without feeling the need to abuse the dev or bitch and whine. Unfortunately, there is too many unreasonable people here.

 

[AlexMpog]

I know at least 1 developer who quit because players were harassing him.

Nah, there are much more. Different circumstances and reasons but the outcome is the same.
At least 3 come to my mind immediately.

1) Detective Necro (no, no necrophilia) - Dev had been stalked but NTR-fan, dude wanted him to add ntr, was told to fuck off. Once Dev accidentally posted the wrong pic on discord (can happen with anybody really). Through this pic fan found where they live and their identities (probably through social media) and started threatening Dev and his wife. It's blurry a bit, I forgot details, but where Dev lives - making an adult game can have dire consequences (they moved to China) - so he just quit, had no other choice.

2) Dev LustFight (The Curse of Joy and Sorrow: Rebirth) - started as a harem - promised everybody - "NO NTR" and gathered relevant audience, though he struggled for some time with writing and so he hired a writer. The writer suggested spicing things up by adding ntr (optional of course)
They didn't even get a chance to put an actual NTR in a game, just announced it... the backlash was that huge that they just gave up and quit in a matter of few days. I remember it very well, it was rough.

3) Fallen roads - honestly I have mixed feelings about this one.
I vaguely remember it, but, well, he created a very controversial LI, he made her a cheater and wanted players to forgive her, she was forced on you through out the game due to the plot. People were constantly complaining about it, so he tried to remake and made it look as she was raped which honestly in my opinion made it even worse. Anyways, long story short, due to constant complaining he just left, yeah, he said that he had some issues IRL and that he will return but as we can see that was not the case.

Everything I wrote is only based on what I know, just in case.
I m pretty sure there're more.

P.S. So, you're back? finished Cyberpunk/Frostpunk?)))

I can think of a few too. Some they bring on themselves by not being honest, but most are just harassed because the game doesn't fit with what they want.

Haunted university is a good example, a first release, Dev was trying to explain where he was going and what he was going to do and people never gave him a chance. To be fair (and this in an outsider's view), I felt he was trying to please, the NTR and ANTI-NTR people and instead all those groups were upset. You can't please everybody and if I can give any advice to a dev, it's decide what you want to do and stick to your plan, take advice if it's constructive, but still decide for yourself if you want to implement it or not.

I didn't have a problem, he made it clear who was LI and the girl we saw with another guy was not LI, so then the complaints started that she was hotter than the LIs and how unfair it was. (Never mind, that you could avoid seeing it anyway).

I thought he had a good premise, and was prepared to ride it out and see where it went. It had a number of things that could have been done better, but it was his first go and the criticism and attacks were ridiculous. I don't blame him for shutting it down.

Most reasonable people will decide this game is not for me, delete it, put it on ignore and move on without feeling the need to abuse the dev or bitch and whine. Unfortunately, there is too many unreasonable people here.

Damn, I was writing my post more than 20 min, insane)
Yeah, I forgot about haunted university, I liked the premise.

 

[metamorphMP]

I can think of a few too. Some they bring on themselves by not being honest, but most are just harassed because the game doesn't fit with what they want.

Haunted university is a good example, a first release, Dev was trying to explain where he was going and what he was going to do and people never gave him a chance. To be fair (and this in an outsider's view), I felt he was trying to please, the NTR and ANTI-NTR people and instead all those groups were upset. You can't please everybody and if I can give any advice to a dev, it's decide what you want to do and stick to your plan, take advice if it's constructive, but still decide for yourself if you want to implement it or not.

I didn't have a problem, he made it clear who was LI and the girl we saw with another guy was not LI, so then the complaints started that she was hotter than the LIs and how unfair it was. (Never mind, that you could avoid seeing it anyway).

I thought he had a good premise, and was prepared to ride it out and see where it went. It had a number of things that could have been done better, but it was his first go and the criticism and attacks were ridiculous. I don't blame him for shutting it down.

Most reasonable people will decide this game is not for me, delete it, put it on ignore and move on without feeling the need to abuse the dev or bitch and whine. Unfortunately, there is too many unreasonable people here.

I haven't played it, but was going to. I remember that you could have a harem with side-LIs and a solo with main LIs. Sounds perfect if you ask me.
And people in a thread went full aggression instead of just leave. And after the game was abandoned they continued to gloat... what a crowd

Nah, there are much more. Different circumstances and reasons but the outcome is the same.
At least 3 come to my mind immediately.

1) Detective Necro (no, no necrophilia) - Dev had been stalked but NTR-fan, dude wanted him to add ntr, was told to fuck off. Once Dev accidentally posted the wrong pic on discord (can happen with anybody really). Through this pic fan found where they live and their identities (probably through social media) and started threatening him and his wife. It's blurry a bit, I forgot details, but where Dev lives - making an adult game can have dire consequences (they moved to China) - so Dev just quit, had no other choice.

2) Dev LustFight (The Curse of Joy and Sorrow: Rebirth) - started as a harem - promised everybody - "NO NTR" and gathered relevant audience, though he struggled for some time with writing and so he hired a writer. The writer suggested spicing things by adding ntr (optional of course)
They didn't even get a chance to put an actual NTR in a game, just announced it... the backlash was that huge that they just gave up and quit in a matter of few days. I remember it very well, it was rough.

3) Fallen roads - honestly I have mixed feelings about this one.
I vaguely remember it, but, well, he created a very controversial LI, he made her a cheater and wanted players to forgive her, she was forced on you through out the game due to the plot. People were constantly complaining about it, so he tried to remake and made it look as she was raped which honestly in my opinion made it even worse. Anyways, long story short, due to constant complaining he just left, yeah, he said that he had some issues IRL and that he will return but as we can see that was not the case.

Everything I wrote is only based on what I know, just in case.
I m pretty sure there're more.

P.S. So, you're back? finished Cyberpunk/Frostpunk?)))

Yes, I was talking about Detective Necro, I am also not a harem fan but man I liked the game, very interesting story and characters, and now it's gone(
Haven't heard anything about other 2 but it sounds pretty dark, internet can be merciless. Also it looks like 2nd Dev went back on his word, so it looks justified.

Hah, yeah - Cyberpunk 2077, not finished but I am close, recommending. After this I'm gonna take a break and switch to AVNs)))

 

[MiltonPowers]

Nah, there are much more. Different circumstances and reasons but the outcome is the same.
At least 3 come to my mind immediately.

1) Detective Necro (no, no necrophilia) - Dev had been stalked but NTR-fan, dude wanted him to add ntr, was told to fuck off. Once Dev accidentally posted the wrong pic on discord (can happen with anybody really). Through this pic fan found where they live and their identities (probably through social media) and started threatening him and his wife. It's blurry a bit, I forgot details, but where Dev lives - making an adult game can have dire consequences (they moved to China) - so Dev just quit, had no other choice.

2) Dev LustFight (The Curse of Joy and Sorrow: Rebirth) - started as a harem - promised everybody - "NO NTR" and gathered relevant audience, though he struggled for some time with writing and so he hired a writer. The writer suggested spicing things by adding ntr (optional of course)
They didn't even get a chance to put an actual NTR in a game, just announced it... the backlash was that huge that they just gave up and quit in a matter of few days. I remember it very well, it was rough.

3) Fallen roads - honestly I have mixed feelings about this one.
I vaguely remember it, but, well, he created a very controversial LI, he made her a cheater and wanted players to forgive her, she was forced on you through out the game due to the plot. People were constantly complaining about it, so he tried to remake and made it look as she was raped which honestly in my opinion made it even worse. Anyways, long story short, due to constant complaining he just left, yeah, he said that he had some issues IRL and that he will return but as we can see that was not the case.

Everything I wrote is only based on what I know, just in case.
I m pretty sure there're more.

P.S. So, you're back? finished Cyberpunk/Frostpunk?)))


Damn, I was writing my post more than 20 min, insane)
Yeah, I forgot about haunted university, I liked the premise.

I actually enjoyed the start of Fallen Roads, I thought the childhood friend was great and looking forward to building a relationship with her until the cheater turned up. It looked like in the last scene that we were going to be forced to feel sorry for her and forgive her too. I was prepared to see where it was going, and happy to forgive her, but would have quit if we were forced into a relationship too.

I never played it before she claimed it was rape and nothing made sense. She promised she wasn't going to drink, because she knew what happened when she drank and then drank anyway. Her friends cheered when she went to the bedroom with the dude. She made out with him willingly and then said no I can't. But then agreed to sleep naked in a bed with him. None of it made any sense or made me think it was rape, now I know why, it wasn't rape until the Dev tried to put some sympathy on her and change what happened. It didn't work, it just felt strange and I had no sympathy for her.

 

[AlexMpog]

I actually enjoyed the start of Fallen Roads, I thought the childhood friend was great and looking forward to building a relationship with her until the cheater turned up. It looked like in the last scene that we were going to be forced to feel sorry for her and forgive her too. I was prepared to see where it was going, and happy to forgive her, but would have quit if we were forced into a relationship too.

I never played it before she claimed it was rape and nothing made sense. She promised she wasn't going to drink, because she knew what happened when she drank and then drank anyway. Her friends cheered when she went to the bedroom with the dude. She made out with him willingly and then said no I can't. But then agreed to sleep naked in a bed with him. None of it made any sense and made me think it was rape, now I know why, it wasn't rape until the Dev tried to put some sympathy on her and change what happened. It didn't work, it just felt strange and I had no sympathy for her.

Yep, you played the remade version.
So, basically, in a prologue your GF says she loves you, after that she goes on a party where is also her childhood crush. She willingly drinks, flirts with the guy and willingly goes with him upstairs, in my eyes she obviously had feelings for him and was literally begging to be fucked.
And if in the 1st version of the game she was shown just as a cheater, in a remade version she looks as a braindead cheater))
Honestly I didn't like other girl too, she was too pushy/bossy while bitching and forcing MC to forgive his EX.

Haven't heard anything about other 2 but it sounds pretty dark, internet can be merciless. Also it looks like 2nd Dev went back on his word, so it looks justified.

Yeah, as I said - different circumstances and reasons, but outcome is the same.
I don't think LustFight had any intentions of deceiving people, he was pretty genuine. However he was dependent on the writer and I think he had to agree on his terms.

 

[PickerLewd]

Very interesting discussion, you know all the gossip about why each game was abandoned .

 

[Cskin Games]

Nah, there are much more. Different circumstances and reasons but the outcome is the same.
At least 3 come to my mind immediately.

1) Detective Necro (no, no necrophilia) - Dev had been stalked but NTR-fan, dude wanted him to add ntr, was told to fuck off. Once Dev accidentally posted the wrong pic on discord (can happen with anybody really). Through this pic fan found where they live and their identities (probably through social media) and started threatening Dev and his wife. It's blurry a bit, I forgot details, but where Dev lives - making an adult game can have dire consequences (they moved to China) - so he just quit, had no other choice.

2) Dev LustFight (The Curse of Joy and Sorrow: Rebirth) - started as a harem - promised everybody - "NO NTR" and gathered relevant audience, though he struggled for some time with writing and so he hired a writer. The writer suggested spicing things up by adding ntr (optional of course)
They didn't even get a chance to put an actual NTR in a game, just announced it... the backlash was that huge that they just gave up and quit in a matter of few days. I remember it very well, it was rough.

3) Fallen roads - honestly I have mixed feelings about this one.
I vaguely remember it, but, well, he created a very controversial LI, he made her a cheater and wanted players to forgive her, she was forced on you through out the game due to the plot. People were constantly complaining about it, so he tried to remake and made it look as she was raped which honestly in my opinion made it even worse. Anyways, long story short, due to constant complaining he just left, yeah, he said that he had some issues IRL and that he will return but as we can see that was not the case.

Everything I wrote is only based on what I know, just in case.
I m pretty sure there're more.

P.S. So, you're back? finished Cyberpunk/Frostpunk?)))


Damn, I was writing my post more than 20 min, insane)
Yeah, I forgot about haunted university, I liked the premise.

Necro is the one I know the most about - I think it was a poor choice of name tbh, because honestly for the longest time I thought it was a necrophilia thing which I had less than 0 interest in. But that aside, it was pretty fucked up why the game got abandoned.

You'll often see devs be extremely secretive about their identities and stuff like that, and that's exhibit A as to why. Even if you live somewhere that you won't get in a shitload of trouble for making these games, no one should have to put up with that shit.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Necro is the one I know the most about - I think it was a poor choice of name tbh, because honestly for the longest time I thought it was a necrophilia thing which I had less than 0 interest in. But that aside, it was pretty fucked up why the game got abandoned.

You'll often see devs be extremely secretive about their identities and stuff like that, and that's exhibit A as to why. Even if you live somewhere that you won't get in a shitload of trouble for making these games, no one should have to put up with that shit.

Yeah, that was pretty horrible.

On another topic. I installed NSL and got it ready. I've got a few things to do this morning, but should be kicking off in a few hours. I'm quite excited actually.

 

[Cskin Games]

Yeah, that was pretty horrible.

On another topic. I installed NSL and got it ready. I've got a few things to do this morning, but should be kicking off in a few hours. I'm quite excited actually.

A sentence that strikes far into every dev. Well, enjoy. I'll just be over here working on the next release.