I completely agree, the two of them feel too similar. Don't get me wrong, I like Kurone and I think she has more complexity than Meryl, at least for now. But they scratch the same itch when it comes to reverse ntr, the easy-going gyaru type. Personally, I would love if Chimalab introduced another demon general, so she could be on the same level as Sadi. Maybe a strength obsessed warrior, a muscle mommy that wants to take the third male protagonist by force or something. I feel like Kurone and Meryl are already the cunning type, so a more boisterous and straightforward antagonist would be interesting. I'm also interested in what other people think, what should the third villain be like? Should she be similar to the others and use similar tactics, or be completely different in the way she handles things?
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Villainess in the third game can bea weak but sneaky one, similar to Ivy. Someone who is clearly weaker and easily defeated by the male and female hero, but who can succeed despite of it and even appeal on seemingly being harmless. Kurone could force Luna into a stallmate and Meryll beat Celia on experience.
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That's not a bad move actually, something like a shortstack imp or w/e who is on the cuter end would be a good match for a hero who is more capable or likely to be protective.
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We also need to keep in mind the kind of approach the new Villianous will take, is she going undercover like Kurone? Is she coming as a clear enemy like Meyrl? If she's going for the first one, I think a pretending type is perfect: plays innocent, sweet and naive on the outside, but in reality, she's a scheming and manipulating genius. (Maybe this one is what if Kotori was the villainous in the game instead of Kurone)
Now if we're going for the 2nd option there's a lot of candidates if I'm being honest:
The arrogant Oujo-sama type:
The calm and collected type
The warlord dominant type:
The hot blooded (not sure if this one will work out since the series core is the manipulation of both protagonist and the Heroine):
And so on...
Personally, I don't mind what personality the next villainous will take as long as it gives me a different feeling from Kurone and Meryl, I do enjoy these types a lot but I like variety.
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Oh, I asked Chimalab about his plans for the 3rd villainous Heroine and that was his response (translation from google):
"I'm still considering it.
I'm not sure what will happen, but I'd like to design her to have a personality and atmosphere that is a counterpart to the blue-haired heroine.
I'd also like her to have a tough image, as if she could be treated a little roughly."
Hmmm, so maybe the strong type?
"I'm still considering it.
I'm not sure what will happen, but I'd like to design her to have a personality and atmosphere that is a counterpart to the blue-haired heroine.
I'd also like her to have a tough image, as if she could be treated a little roughly."
Hmmm, so maybe the strong type?
Strength based succubi miss the whole point of being a succubus. If a succubus is raping by force she may as well be an ogre.
The whole point of Chima’s work is seduction and choosing NTR. Being raped by force is not NTR.
I mean, she doesn't have to be a succubus, we already have Meryl for that. And it doesn't have to be rape, more like she's stronger than the heroine so there's nothing she can do about it. Maybe the third male protag is on the weaker side, so he needs a protector and the villain finds him cute or something. A demon general that is an actual warrior would make sense, since they're supposed to be the strongest members of the demon army. Sadi is an exception, he's a general because of his accomplishments, not his strength.
This is more or less what I had in mind, the strong/dominant type. It would be a good contrast for the other two and it would make sense in the lore, the demon army probably has a few powerhouses in their ranks.The warlord dominant type:
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Imagine a situation like this for example: the hero is weak but he have an exceptional talent in support magic, the Heroine is a fighter and she excels in using offence magic, the Heroine and the villainous fight and thanks to hero's support, the Heroine gains advantage and defeats her, the villainous retreat and decided to make the protagonist her own so she could monopolise his power. The idea is she cannot force him or rape him to achieve that as the stronger the bond between him and the person he shares his power with the greater the effect of the protagonist's support magic becomes, so she must appeal to him and corrupt his heart slowly, maybe using his own insecurities against him like the fact that he lives in the Heroine's shadow as a supporter, maybe the fact that his peers are looking down on him for being weak in combat and without the Heroine by his side he'd be useless etc...
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Your description is more about the hero than the villainess.
Also, doesn't this apply to this game? Leo is significantly weaker than Luna and Kurone and his gimmick is his strong support magic.
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It's not about the description of the villianess or the hero or the hero being similar to this game, it's simply to describe how a this type of villianess can work in Chimalab game and this is just 1 example and it doesn't have to be the exact same.
Here's another example that might happen in the this setting: in a middle of the battle the protagonist who is influenced by the Villainous Heroine can stop providing the Heroine with his support magic which makes the Heroine lose the battle as the story progress and as the protagonist is being influenced by the Villainous even more he might start casting his support magic on her, so a lot can be done with this type of Villianous and it might not be easy to work with but it's definitely possible.
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But that is exactly what already could've happened in the first game. Hayato stopped supporting Celia because he got distracted by Meryll, and later on he casted a corrupted version of Protect on Meryll to shield her from Celias awakened power.
I'm a bit confused by your latest examples, given how they already happened and how your initial posts were about introducing new villainesses and forms of corruption.
Dominant vill.. hmmm , 2 things come to mind. 1. She let the heroine" yep her, not mc" choose between 2 extremes, saving mc but sacrifice town/ relative etc or force the fmc away, cause might bigger then fmc's.
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On a superficial look? They might looks the same but they're actually not, Hayato was simply casting a protect spell to shield Celia from Sadie's influence, but in the other one the protagonist is using his magic to boost the Heroine's power, and that's giving her advantage against the Villainous Heroine not the bad guy. Also this happens while in a battle while the protagonist is close to the Heroine while Celia and Hayato were simply in an escape game and they were separated and have no idea what is happening to other one (at least on Celia's side) also the villainous Heroine target here was clear to get the protagonist's power while Meryl simply want Hayato because he's cute (aside from it being her mission to distract him)
Side note: I'm not saying everything should be completely different, like... the new Villianous Heroine will seduce the protagonist like Meryl and Kurone did, I don't want a 180° change to the game and it's core, I simply want to see more variety in a certain type of character, Celia and Luna were completely different one is a pure hearted tsundere and the other is a ruthless assassin who seduce enemies with her body, Sadie is a demon king general with high confidence and playful personality while Iveir is an underdog who want to prove himself as a powerhouse.
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Delinquent and gyaru are not the same, if Chimalab actually meant delinquent by "tough image" then we shouldn't expect characters similar to Kurone and Meryl but rather something like this:
(The Heroines of "Tsujidou-san Jun'ai Road" who are all delinquent.)
Also, delinquent isn't the only option. A warrior type villainess that uses strength instead of seduction fits that description too, the warlord type mentioned earlier in the thread or something along those lines. This doesn't mean she can't be sexy, it just means that she prefers to use strength to solve her problems. Just like Luna is able to seduce enemies, but she's also a powerhouse that prefers to take down her opponents using her assassination skills. Instead of a villainess that specializes in covert operations, a general or a commanding officer that takes part in the fight would be a good change of pace. Kurone also did this somewhat, being a magical powerhouse, but she's not really "tough". I really hope the vibe of the new villainess is more on the blunt, boisterous side.
I know it's kind of cheating but can someone give me a hint for how much can I progress corruption of MC and Luna before it gets to a "point of no return"?
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You can Choose another dialogue option , it's optional it's not permanent
I'm not sure about the MC, but for Luna you will reach a choice that literally tells you (Careful: NTR path) or something like that. So as long as you don't choose that one, you're good. Technically, even if you choose that one, you can still salvage it. But you can save that for a second playthrough, or just reload a save right before. The game is really generous when it comes to giving you a way out.
No I mean what if want to see the "Kurone X MC" scenes or "Luna X Ivieru" during my playthrough, when does it reach the point of no return i.e. I am locked into the bad ending?