Missing loli/shota games

[DarthSeduction]

The comparison is about that both are inherent biological features of an individual and claims of choices or fixing things applies to both. You seem to think it's a magical thing that is somehow separate from ones biology. I don't you can treat them, they'll be attracted to children their entire lives because that's their brain structure. I don't see the point of feeling hate towards something like that, what good does it do

So, now, you're either intentionally ignoring facts that don't support your hypothesis, or you're simply too too stupid to process them. There is no biological function by which a human finds themselves sexually attracted to prepubescent humans. Their bodies are not producing the hormonal and pheromonal chemicals that induce feelings of attraction and lust in humans.

As such, we can determine that their malfunction is purely psychological. It's not nature, it's nurture and it's absolutely, not only possible, but imperative, that we rehabilitate these people so that they function properly in society.

Lastly, your infantile comparison between homosexuality and pedophilia opens the door quite readily to the opposite argument. If they are the same, them there is something inherently wrong with homosexuals and they should be purged from society as well. That is where consent comes in. A homosexual having sex with a consenting homosexual is not hurting anyone. A pedophile acting on their urges is hurting someone.

I'd say its only "very much illegal" in only couple places like Canada and a bit gray in rest of the world which is why this site is still operating without "every person is 18+" at the bottom.
Those are reasonable arguments undermined by the way the moderators talk about it. If they hate them you can assume that trumps everything else. You can see how nonsensical the discussion is at the start. Special someone is still talking about consent and cereal killers in the context of cartoon games.

The staff on this site doesn't actually give a rat's ass what you fap to. Trust me, I'm in constant conversations with them on discord. The reason they're against it is western, namely, American, laws. But America's laws on the subject aren't alone. As you mentioned there's Canada, the UK, etc. Here's a list

You must be registered to see the links

. Congratulations to you if you don't live in one of these countries. You personally don't have to worry. The site does. I point back to your willful ignorance of facts that don't support your hypothesis, and remind you of the other dangers I brought up to creating a safe space for pedophiles on any site. This isn't an argument where you have firm ground stand on.

Lastly, the comparison between *serial killers and pedophiles was in response to your attempt at normalizing their behaviour, and comparing it to homosexuality. Bossapplesauce, rightly, compared it to serial killers instead. The argument, at that point, was not about games, but about your justification of pedophilia. The discussion of consent comes up as a reminder that unlike non-heretonormative relations, a pedophile is and always will be a predator, no different from a rapist, and a mere evidenciary consideration away from deciding killing his victims would be safer.

Now, you have a choice, either learn from this, take this knowledge to heart and be a better human for it, or continue to ignorantly rage against the machine. Either way I've said my piece, and if you can't process this information, I can't help you further. Goodbye and good luck.

 

[DownTheDrain]

Somehow this turned into one of those discussions where I disagree with both sides.
I guess the only solution is to find a game about serial killers that only target pedophiles now.

 

[xןʞ]

Here let me break it down for you guys who can't seem to comprehend our stance so a six year old can understand.

You see the joy of having your own forum is that you get to choose what can and can't be posted.

Lets say tomorrow we get together and decide, "hey fuck this lets ban all BIG TITTY MILF games." The reality is if we choose to, we have every right to do that.

Then as users, you are met with three options:

a.) Enjoy all the other fine non BIG TITTY MILF games we would continue to have.

b.) Do a quick google search and find one of the extremely easy to find dozens upon dozens of sites that still host BIG TITTY MILF(or fuckin' 8 year olds, dude) games and decide whether you would rather go there for your games or continue to come here.

c.) Make your own alternative forum that hosts whatever the fuck you want and tell f95zone to go kick rocks (hi! @Sural Argonus )

But the reality is whining and trying to guilt-trip the people who decide what we want and don't want to have here isn't going to do anything but make us laugh at you for being so overly upset that your particular porn game fetish isn't here, when it can be found in other places in two seconds.

 

[baneini]

There is no biological function by which a human finds themselves sexually attracted to prepubescent humans. Their bodies are not producing the hormonal and pheromonal chemicals that induce feelings of attraction and lust in humans.

As such, we can determine that their malfunction is purely psychological. It's not nature, it's nurture and it's absolutely, not only possible, but imperative, that we rehabilitate these people so that they function properly in society.

Lastly, your infantile comparison between homosexuality and pedophilia opens the door quite readily to the opposite argument. If they are the same, them there is something inherently wrong with homosexuals and they should be purged from society as well. That is where consent comes in. A homosexual having sex with a consenting homosexual is not hurting anyone. A pedophile acting on their urges is hurting someone.

Lastly, the comparison between *serial killers and pedophiles was in response to your attempt at normalizing their behaviour, and comparing it to homosexuality. Bossapplesauce, rightly, compared it to serial killers instead. The argument, at that point, was not about games, but about your justification of pedophilia. The discussion of consent comes up as a reminder that unlike non-heretonormative relations, a pedophile is and always will be a predator, no different from a rapist, and a mere evidenciary consideration away from deciding killing his victims would be safer.

So in your view a pedophile is a normal heterosexual guy who's one morning feeling a bit rapey towards children and after being caught is just in need of some reorientation so that he really gets that it's not socially acceptable thing to do so he can go and fuck adults instead having been cured.
I guess thats informative. Explains why people think the definition of pedo is a rapist on the prowl rather than someone passively existing with wiring in their brain being a bit mixed up possibly dying as a virgin. It can make discussion a bit cumbersome if someone believes the former while others believe the latter definition.

 

[DarthSeduction]

So in your view a pedophile is a normal heterosexual guy who's one morning feeling a bit rapey towards children and after being caught is just in need of some reorientation so that he really gets that it's not socially acceptable thing to do so he can go and fuck adults instead having been cured.
I guess thats informative. Explains why people think the definition of pedo is a rapist on the prowl rather than someone passively existing with wiring in their brain being a bit mixed up possibly dying as a virgin. It can make discussion a bit cumbersome if someone believes the former while others believe the latter definition.

No, the fact is, a pedophile is someone with a mental disorder. Whether they ever act on it is immaterial.They shouldn't have to die a virgin. They should seek help. We as a society should create programs to help them. But yes, pedophilia is a dangerous mental disorder and to deny that is again, as seems to be a pattern with you, disingenuous. It acts like an addiction. These people need it. Every time they're around children they're struggling with it. Eventually, there is the chance that they will act on their need. Do they all do so? No, but all it takes is one. One man can ruin a young girl or boy's life. One man can kill a girl or boy to hide his crime. One man can do this several times if he's careful. To treat the mental disorder of pedophilia as anything other than a danger to society is wrong.

And again, I should make clear, pedophilia isn't something you're born with, like sexuality, its something you develop. There's something about your upbringing that created a sexual link between your brain and children. That is an important distinction. That is what needs to be treated. And there are arguments, that such games and media featuring children could be a part of that, especially while we work on finding other methodology. That said, I'd like to make clear, that even this would be something that would be a part of a monitored treatment and regular appointments with a therapist, possibly a requirement that you don't live alone.

 

[baneini]

I should make clear, pedophilia isn't something you're born with, like sexuality, its something you develop. There's something about your upbringing that created a sexual link between your brain and children. That is an important distinction. That is what needs to be treated

I agree it probably develops during early childhood, but the brain has an amount of plasticity when you're very young, but the plasticity decreases with age I really doubt you can change an adults brain in a drastic way. If you could do that you could change gays into straight, increase peoples IQ, treat transgender people and all sorts of wacky stuff. I don't buy that as a reality today, maybe in the future.

Personally I think the treatments are going to be along the lines of AI controlled robots with onaholes or something. "sign up for your free sexual therapy robot today".

 

[DarthSeduction]

If you could do that you could change gays into straight

Really? You are still making this logical fallacy? A non-hetero person isn't suffering from a mental disorder. It's not all in their head. They respond to hormonal and pheromonal chemicals from their own sex. This isn't a deviation from healthy mental processes It's a chemical thing. And there's nothing wrong with it. We don't need every human to procreate. In fact, it's been theorized, though not proven, that homosexuality becomes more prevalent in times of crowding to reduce the population. There's nothing deviant about that.

Stop trying to normalize a deviant psychology by comparing it with normal functionality. If you'd instead tried to compare it with sociopathy, I might be able to meet you halfway there, but I don't know enough about it to say definitively that it would be untreatable. However, as long as people sit in dark rooms and complain that they can't fap to pedo games we'll never know. If you feel you're a pedophile who doesn't feel attracted to women, go to a doctor and ask to be treated, studied, etc. Don't sit there and complain, fucking do something.

 

[baneini]

Really? You are still making this logical fallacy? A non-hetero person isn't suffering from a mental disorder. It's not all in their head. They respond to hormonal and pheromonal chemicals from their own sex.

You are your brain. You sexuality is largely determined by your brain. The brain is very difficult to tamper with. Judging people based on how their brain happens to be is evil, judging their actions is common sense.

 

[spambot]

So in your view a pedophile is a normal heterosexual guy who's one morning feeling a bit rapey towards children and after being caught is just in need of some reorientation so that he really gets that it's not socially acceptable thing to do so he can go and fuck adults instead having been cured.
I guess thats informative. Explains why people think the definition of pedo is a rapist on the prowl rather than someone passively existing with wiring in their brain being a bit mixed up possibly dying as a virgin. It can make discussion a bit cumbersome if someone believes the former while others believe the latter definition.

What does it matter if it's biological or acquired? Pedos are by definition rapists because if they were to act on their desires, they'd be having sex with someone incapable of consent. Just as being born a murderous psychopath doesn't give someone license to kill, being born a pedo doesn't make it anymore acceptable. The only difference this makes is a somewhat esoteric point about the nature of their punishment, i.e., we can't punish someone for their pathology but we do accept locking them up or otherwise removing them from society for the sake of everyone else.

 

[Delmach]

Pretty sure nearly every human in their life has had a thought or short term desire that would be a crime, be it beating someone up, stealing something, just plain old running over someone with a car, and so on. Granted that might be different as it can subside quickly. But just having the thought should never be the problem, or a crime. It should be an indicator that someone might need help to fit into the society he lives in, as in perhaps anger management, or on topic, find a solution for a desire. And about the "non treatable" cases? People having no conscience, no regret about killing someone? No idea how to handle those people.

Also I dont feel like the word consent can be universally applied anywhere, it just doesnt fit, especially since the set age varies a lot, and that doesnt include any kind of individuality. The whole "person under set age cant agree" is nonsense. Humans tend to think that they need clear rules and barriers, but we survived so far, even times when there surely wasnt a goverment or laws.

And the fact that you can face charges in one country for something that no one would even bat an eye in the other shows that even more. There is no universal law, because there isnt a universal right or wrong. Just like a person doesnt mature to sexually ready just by crossing a country border. The world in its entirety is just full of nonsense, and we sure arent as refined as we may think, or are as far advanced in any science. (alright the last part kind off devolved into some free form rambling, but isnt wrong nevertheless)

 

[DarthSeduction]

You are your brain. You sexuality is largely determined by your brain. The brain is very difficult to tamper with. Judging people based on how their brain happens to be is evil, judging their actions is common sense.

You're obfuscating. You are your brain, but your brain responds to certain stimuli as far as sex goes. In a normal health and functioning brain, those stimuli are Hormones and Pheromones. In a sick brain, it's sexual objectification of children. You don't start producing the pheromones and hormones that stimulate sexual responses in others until you hit puberty.

By ignoring the fact that there is a gulf of difference between hormonal sexual attraction and the fetishizing of children, you are being disingenuous. Your arguments are lies and half truths to support your hypothesis while ignoring any fact that disputes them. As of now, I'm blocking you. I hope you'll seek the help you so clearly need.

 

[DarthSeduction]

Pretty sure nearly every human in their life has had a thought or short term desire that would be a crime, be it beating someone up, stealing something, just plain old running over someone with a car, and so on. Granted that might be different as it can subside quickly. But just having the thought should never be the problem, or a crime. It should be an indicator that someone might need help to fit into the society he lives in, as in perhaps anger management, or on topic, find a solution for a desire. And about the "non treatable" cases? People having no conscience, no regret about killing someone? No idea how to handle those people.

Also I dont feel like the word consent can be universally applied anywhere, it just doesnt fit, especially since the set age varies a lot, and that doesnt include any kind of individuality. The whole "person under set age cant agree" is nonsense. Humans tend to think that they need clear rules and barriers, but we survived so far, even times when there surely wasnt a goverment or laws.

And the fact that you can face charges in one country for something that no one would even bat an eye in the other shows that even more. There is no universal law, because there isnt a universal right or wrong. Just like a person doesnt mature to sexually ready just by crossing a country border. The world in its entirety is just full of nonsense, and we sure arent as refined as we may think, or are as far advanced in any science. (alright the last part kind off devolved into some free form rambling, but isnt wrong nevertheless)

There can be a set law that takes into account puberty and mental maturity. In the nations where the AoC is lower they likely have less of a taboo on sex and therefore their children are more prepared for the decision. To be clear, my official stance on consent is outside the numbers set by the law and in the realm of psychological and mental maturity. You cannot consent unless you are 1 fully aware of what sex is, why we have it, and what we get out of it. 2, completely free to make the decision on your terms. And 3, having entered into puberty and gained the biological maturity needed to have sex.

In no time or place will I ever condone the argument that a 9 year old, for instance, is capable of consent. Furthermore the second problem, about freedom to make the decision on your own, a girl who is dealing with an authoritiy figure is likely not in a position to make that decision on their own terms. If the guy in the situation is a much older male family friend or something, who she's grown up with and developed feeling for, sure. But if it's her dad's high school friend, or an in-law uncle or something, then she's dealing with an authority figure and the question of consent becomes wildly up to a case by case basis and scarily so. Same goes for a teacher or something.

Now, I know that this is a very controversial stance, but I also know that I was perfectly capable of consent at 14. I also think that it's an unobtainable goal. The urge to "protect the children" is too high. So people shelter their children from sex. And what's more, when they engage in sexual activity that they think they're ready for, the adults in their lives freak the fuck out and begin a cycle of psychological conditioning that convinces the person that they didn't know what they were getting into, often as not, shaming the person into oblivion. This happens at later ages as well. How many sheltered college aged girls are convinced by their parents that they were raped?

 

[Delmach]

There can be a set law that takes into account puberty and mental maturity. In the nations where the AoC is lower they likely have less of a taboo on sex and therefore their children are more prepared for the decision. To be clear, my official stance on consent is outside the numbers set by the law and in the realm of psychological and mental maturity. You cannot consent unless you are 1 fully aware of what sex is, why we have it, and what we get out of it. 2, completely free to make the decision on your terms. And 3, having entered into puberty and gained the biological maturity needed to have sex.

That paragraph I completly agree, especially the 3 step thing. And I know that countries are forced, or think they are forced to make laws to "somewhat try and do the best for the majority". Also agree on the taboo part, since most of Europe has a different mindset there. The 3 step thing would basically work near perfectly, if somehow laws were made with individuality in mind, which is less and less so with more people alive. Sadly.

In no time or place will I ever condone the argument that a 9 year old, for instance, is capable of consent. Furthermore the second problem, about freedom to make the decision on your own, a girl who is dealing with an authoritiy figure is likely not in a position to make that decision on their own terms. If the guy in the situation is a much older male family friend or something, who she's grown up with and developed feeling for, sure. But if it's her dad's high school friend, or an in-law uncle or something, then she's dealing with an authority figure and the question of consent becomes wildly up to a case by case basis and scarily so. Same goes for a teacher or something.

Thats the interesting part, in countries where the age of consent is considerably lower, as low as 14 (there is lower but I dont know enough about those), they have all those requirements set to not have an authority problem. For example, no teacher, no instructor, trainer figure, and so on. And they also have that aforementioned bit of individuality, as in, if the younger person somehow (because thats actually treated somewhat rare) is found to be not aware of what they do, or even dont know how sexuality works at all, then theres a problem. And of course no monetary or materialistic factor, of course to avoid prostitution.

Furthermore the second problem, about freedom to make the decision on your own, a girl who is dealing with an authoritiy figure is likely not in a position to make that decision on their own terms. If the guy in the situation is a much older male family friend or something, who she's grown up with and developed feeling for, sure

Here I would actually disagree, but thats a personal thing. I come to think humanity isnt capable of making decisions on a case by case basis, its bound to fail or be unfair, so I would say either allow it all or allow nothing. And in that case I would say nothing should be allowed. But thats just me.

The consent at 14 isnt that controversial when looking at Europe, but thats probably because of aforementioned special requirements. And most of the last paragraph sounds just sad, shaming and conditioning of a natural thing, the only thing humanity has to continue to at least fulfill the small purpose for the human race to exist, to continue existing.

But that probably goes hand in hand with the somewhat repressed outlook in some parts of the world. And when regular sex is still mostly a big taboo, it also affects anything more fetish like, even in fictional content, and there we go, we went full circle. Wonderful. Im done.

 

[Space0din]

What do you mean? Ignoring the rants above, a mod recommended you go visit the chans. (0chan,2chan,4chan,6chan,8chan,10chan,12chan etc 2 by 2) They're more lax regarding the rules the higher up you go in numbers. Except 0... 0 don't give a fuck.

I must have missed it at some point. The problems i have with most chan site is they are very disorganized. Hard to really find anything.

Oh well, will just have to get lucky and stumble across some somewhere

 

[Stickymicky]

If you can't find what you want here just google somewhere else.

Personally i hate loli/shota and I don't look too kindly on people that enjoy it. But at the same time I wouldn't try to use the moral high ground to put them down, considering some of the things on F95 (Rape, vore, etc), it's really hypocritical. I mean in the ideal world the moment this post popped up a mod would have locked the post and referred the rules, guess everyone likes arguing these days though...

 

[Sural Argonus]

@klx I really don't have a problem with the rule in and of itself...It's the Moderator staff's actions, inconsistencies and hypocrisy that drive me fucking insane.

I just try to keep my disgust reigned in...except towards one specific moderator who I shall not name.

 

[xןʞ]

@klx I really don't have a problem with the rule in and of itself...It's the Moderator staff's actions, inconsistencies and hypocrisy that drive me fucking insane.

I just try to keep my disgust reigned in...except towards one specific moderator who I shall not name.

I thought we were buds.

Ouch. :FeelsBadMan:

 

[Sam]

Applying rule 7 is prone to inconsistencies due to the very subjective nature of it, which unfortunately is unavoidable. When a questionable game is brought up, the staff take a vote, and the majority of games get a pass, with a handful being denied. There is no 1 person who decides on rule 7 breaks. I even sometimes disagree with the decision, but c'est la vie.

I think this thread has run its course, I dislike closing down discussion but there have been plenty of opinions voiced and keeping it open isn't going to get us anywhere.