Ren'Py Monster Girl Dreams [v26.7a Alpha] [Threshold]

[Mustang Flex]

From a legal standpoint. It's trickier than even regular ass war criminals. In real life cases, major war crimes are usually prosecuted after whatever the side committing them has lost. If this were the case here, it'd be easy to try and convict Sofia because the continent would be occupied by a human army and made to agree to retroactively make their actions illegal. Since this isn't the case. The only way a trial could be held at all would be if humans somehow kidnapped her, or the Demon Queen agreed to extricate her as an olive branch.

Morally, the only way I can think of that would mitigate what she did would be if all the humans she drained were enemy combatants at the time. No prisoners of war or civilians. Without getting into the argument of how moral the war was in the first place, that'd downgrade the atrocity from wholesale systemic soul murder, to a particularly nasty way to kill the enemy.

The third factor is that it's pretty explicit that neither side was in the right. Humans weren't fighting a losing battle where they needed to do whatever it took to survive. They might've lost eventually, but they gave as good as they got. We don't know who was around from back then to hang for their war crimes. But it could be that at the time when peace was first established; it was agreed that neither side would seek retribution. Some like Sofia got the better end of it since they're immortal. But unless both sides sign a treaty that involves handing over their war criminals, it might be for the greater good that a few people go unpunished rather than sparking war over it.

 

[Teleiah]

How do I access updates? Will downloading a new one delete my progress?

1. Open old game version and save in main town.
1.1 Close old game version.
2. Open new game version.
2.1 Load saved game.
3. Profit.

As long as you save in town before upgrading game versions your save will be perfectly fine.

 

[Suwi]

The game dev is going to have fun reading this soul eating debate. Because I'm already beyond confusion as to what important points they are referring to like the war crimes, punishments, and the laws of the MGD World.

Follow-up edit: I'm trying to add mods but I'm playing this on Android. I'll try using Joiplay for this and gonna read up on the wiki. If it's possible to not use Joiplay or any emulator at all than just the base game with mods. Please tell me so, I'm willing to restart the game just for the mods.

 

[Lazyrick]

The game dev is going to have fun reading this soul eating debate. Because I'm already beyond confusion as to what important points they are referring to like the war crimes, punishments, and the laws of the MGD World.

Follow-up edit: I'm trying to add mods but I'm playing this on Android. I'll try using Joiplay for this and gonna read up on the wiki. If it's possible to not use Joiplay or any emulator at all than just the base game with mods. Please tell me so, I'm willing to restart the game just for the mods.

It's actually quite simple. here's everything you need to know in timeline form.

• 100k yrs ago: humies and MGs started stabbing each other.
• 2k yrs ago: Sofia was born and started slurping souls like she was carbo loading for the Olympics.
• 100 yrs ago: people got tired of stabbing each other, so they started "stabbing" each other. also soul slurping got tournament banned.
• Now: you can nut yourself to sleep cuddling with magic Hitler.

But, since new content is scarce and lore is fun, we argue whether Sofia should be ranked above or below Lucifer for evilest sexy person.

 

[Suwi]

It's actually quite simple. here's everything you need to know in timeline form.

• 100k yrs ago: humies and MGs started stabbing each other.
• 2k yrs ago: Sofia was born and started slurping souls like she was carbo loading for the Olympics.
• 100 yrs ago: people got tired of stabbing each other, so they started "stabbing" each other. also soul slurping got tournament banned.
• Now: you can nut yourself to sleep cuddling with magic Hitler.

But, since new content is scarce and lore is fun, we argue whether Sofia should be ranked above or below Lucifer for evilest sexy person.

This actually makes a lot of sense now that I think about it. Thanks!

 

[Master of Puppets]

in terms of power i say:
venefica and lucille (the archangel in the church) should be about the same level as sofia
then there is the monster queen and the goddess...

Are they as powerful as Sofia though? Is there anything actually supporting that? I'm pretty sure that several people have said that the current monster queen is significantly less powerful than Sofia.

 

[HumblestRanger]

Hm, I really like this game, but at the same time it's, like, 4yo now... And the last update was in August. Even considering the the sheer variety of interactions, ignoring the fact that it mostly CG-less, it feels a bit too stretched out, but then again I'm not exactly a very good judge when it comes to serious game development.

Can someone give me a based, straight-to-the-point answer whether it's another project where the dev is creating some promising prototype, gets their subscription money and then goes onto blue-balling their audience for as long as they are hooked and then releases some "cool" small update before they hop off the hype train? I do want to support the development of the game like this, but more than that I do not want to support nefarious money-milking practices that plague the current porn game market.

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not calling anyone out or making a snarky comment, I'm just genuinely curious.

 

[HumanRug]

Follow-up edit: I'm trying to add mods but I'm playing this on Android. I'll try using Joiplay for this and gonna read up on the wiki. If it's possible to not use Joiplay or any emulator at all than just the base game with mods. Please tell me so, I'm willing to restart the game just for the mods.

You don't need anything else but the game to use mods in Android. I posted instructions a while back, I'll quote them for you:

This is what I do on my phone, and it works (downloading Total Commander is very recommended, but I think your phone's original file explorer should be able to do the trick anyway):
1 - After downloading the mod, go to your app storage (mine is internal storage, but you could use an external SD card to install apps)
2 - Now go to Android/data/monstergirldreams.program/files/
3 - In there, create a folder named "Mods", and other named "game". Inside "game", create another "Mods" folder. Mods/ will be used for the mods' images, while game/Mods/ will be used by the rest of the mods' data.
4 - To make things easier for you, do the same as me: grab a mod's folder, put it in game/Mods/ (WITH ALL ITS CONTENT), then copy such mod's folder to Mods/. That way you don't have to create all the folder trees on your own, but if you're having storage problems, keeping only the paths to the mods' images in Mods/, and deleting the images' folder of every mod in game/Mods/, will help you save the maximum amount of storage you can.
5 - Make sure that you load a save in town, in case you could run into any errors. Also, when you load a game after adding/removing a mod, the first action you do on the game screen (like, for example, go adventuring or enter the church) will take a long time to perform, I guess it's because the game needs to load/unload a mod's content as soon as it detects a change in the mods list, which (I think) is checked at every valid click you do. So don't worry about your game "freezing", it should unfreeze in less than half a minute.

Okay, I think that's all you have to know about installing mods. At least, it's all I needed to know, but do any doubts pop up, I'll try to check them out.

 

[decker2]

Are they as powerful as Sofia though? Is there anything actually supporting that? I'm pretty sure that several people have said that the current monster queen is significantly less powerful than Sofia.

well the queen doesn't has to fight sofia alone

also

in the event that Sophia was a male and otherwise sexually unappealing to you, would your stance on her actions change? This should help determine whether or not your opinion on her soul-eating is actually based on the nature of her actions and not just her tits.
Secondly, I would like to note the use of real-world cases (using international law when possible but otherwise just following U.S federal laws) for ease of discussion.

With all that established, it becomes important to determine whether we should argue Sophia's deserved fate from a legal or moral perspective.

that's simple it's like the U.S nukes on hiroshima und nagasaki. sophia is a living nuke in this world
and since the u.s was only punished morally. sophia should be to...

also

Morally, the only way I can think of that would mitigate what she did would be if all the humans she drained were enemy combatants at the time. No prisoners of war or civilians. Without getting into the argument of how moral the war was in the first place, that'd downgrade the atrocity from wholesale systemic soul murder, to a particularly nasty way to kill the enemy.

The third factor is that it's pretty explicit that neither side was in the right. Humans weren't fighting a losing battle where they needed to do whatever it took to survive. They might've lost eventually, but they gave as good as they got. We don't know who was around from back then to hang for their war crimes. But it could be that at the time when peace was first established; it was agreed that neither side would seek retribution. Some like Sofia got the better end of it since they're immortal. But unless both sides sign a treaty that involves handing over their war criminals, it might be for the greater good that a few people go unpunished rather than sparking war over it.

1.
she wiped out the population of nations, so there were a lot of (innocent) children and animals
sofia literally nuked them. they were not enemies, but food for her.... (or like worthless insekts)

2. the monster girls started the war. to be precisely the ominous evil that infused the girls demonic energy
which united the different races of monster in their hatred
(imagine that all the monsters in: monster hunter world(the game) attack the cities and villages at once)
the girls butchered the humans so badly
that the angels had to descent from the celestial realm to save mankind from extinction

i linked my post about the games lore in more details here

i made 3 posts that summarize the lore of this game

Spoiler: mgd lore

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also

Can someone give me a based, straight-to-the-point answer

read my signature
free money doesn't make anyone work faster anyway (no matter how much money they milk)

 

[Bacher]

Hm, I really like this game, but at the same time it's, like, 4yo now... And the last update was in August. Even considering the the sheer variety of interactions, ignoring the fact that it mostly CG-less, it feels a bit too stretched out, but then again I'm not exactly a very good judge when it comes to serious game development.

Can someone give me a based, straight-to-the-point answer whether it's another project where the dev is creating some promising prototype, gets their subscription money and then goes onto blue-balling their audience for as long as they are hooked and then releases some "cool" small update before they hop off the hype train? I do want to support the development of the game like this, but more than that I do not want to support nefarious money-milking practices that plague the current porn game market.

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not calling anyone out or making a snarky comment, I'm just genuinely curious.

its a free game, however if you can and want to pay/donate on his patron then you are free to do so, as stated before here a few pages back he is working on a new area with a new gameplay system that can take a while longer then normal to finish.. and the best part of this game that you will rarely see on this site or any other porn site is that even after its 100% done it will still be popular becouse it can be modded by the fans and add much more content in the future

 

[FaekNaem]

Hm, I really like this game, but at the same time it's, like, 4yo now... And the last update was in August. Even considering the the sheer variety of interactions, ignoring the fact that it mostly CG-less, it feels a bit too stretched out, but then again I'm not exactly a very good judge when it comes to serious game development.

Can someone give me a based, straight-to-the-point answer whether it's another project where the dev is creating some promising prototype, gets their subscription money and then goes onto blue-balling their audience for as long as they are hooked and then releases some "cool" small update before they hop off the hype train? I do want to support the development of the game like this, but more than that I do not want to support nefarious money-milking practices that plague the current porn game market.

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not calling anyone out or making a snarky comment, I'm just genuinely curious.

There's no denying that development has been slow lately. I think this year in general has been slower then normal, though I started playing it this year so I only know what others say on that. Content is definitely being produced for it, we might not be able to see much as non backers but looking at the patreon page does show a few posts with preview art and details on development. L30 used to come by the thread to give us development updates but they haven't been around for a while. From what I've seen the dev has a habit of scope creep getting into every update. He starts with "I'm going to do X" but then X takes a while and when it finally comes out it turns out Y was also added to the update as well. Combine that with the big scale of the upcoming update and it's not surprising that it's taking a while. That said I would love it if we could get some kind of progress update. I don't mind content taking time to produce as a non backer but it sucks to not even have a time frame for it.

Overalll I don't have a lot of experience with following patreon funded porn development so I can't judge how "scammy" for lack of a better word MGD is. But if I had to answer I'd say it's not a scam, it's just that the project has a huge scope considering the singular developer so progress is naturally slow.

 

[afedvfe]

Peeps forget that software engineering is a task that becomes exponentially more difficult rather quickly without proper discipline and techniques (and sometimes even with those), it's only natural that development time takes a hit down the road since, afaik, most devs making porn games are not informed in the ways of software engineering (although they all end up adopting agile methods, but one should not expect them to know about design patterns and the like)

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Peeps forget that software engineering is a task that becomes exponentially more difficult rather quickly without proper discipline and techniques (and sometimes even with those), it's only natural that development time takes a hit down the road since, afaik, most devs making porn games are not informed in the ways of software engineering (although they all end up adopting agile methods, but one should not expect them to know about design patterns and the like)

Yes but this is really slow even for this game's usual pace of development, and the developer got bored and went to a slump before which kinda sets a precedent. The last major update...which was the bunny girl's I think, was in...what, the middle of the spring of 2021? Since then it's been a drip-feed and bugfixes.

I remember months ago people were still defending the everliving shit out of how slow the development had gotten and feel vindicated.

Yes, none of us really pay anything for this, yadda yadda. Not really an excuse to kill discussion.

What I wonder is, did he freeze his patreon when he had his burn-out phase? Well he's kinda had a new one for a while now.

 

[afedvfe]

Yes but this is really slow even for this game's usual pace of development, and the developer got bored and went to a slump before which kinda sets a precedent. The last major update...which was the bunny girl's I think, was in...what, the middle of the spring of 2021? Since then it's been a drip-feed and bugfixes.

I remember months ago people were still defending the everliving shit out of how slow the development had gotten and feel vindicated.

Yes, none of us really pay anything for this, yadda yadda. Not really an excuse to kill discussion.

What I wonder is, did he freeze his patreon when he had his burn-out phase? Well he's kinda had a new one for a while now.

nah I think the current pace is fine, dev is active, you can go on Discord and see that for yourself. The game is not a simple linear vn novel (ren'py probably wasn't the best engine for it)

 

[HumblestRanger]

Overalll I don't have a lot of experience with following patreon funded porn development so I can't judge how "scammy" for lack of a better word MGD is. But if I had to answer I'd say it's not a scam, it's just that the project has a huge scope considering the singular developer so progress is naturally slow.

Okay, I just had a somewhat decent look at the Patreon(only the news titles, because the dev is finding it a very good practice to hide the major selling points such as big teasers behind the paywall) and the discord.

Perhaps it's not the scummy-scummy kinda thing going on, but it does seem like the dev is not very good at setting priorities straight. I don't know what's gonna be in the next game mechanics update, so I can't exactly judge how necessary it is nor can I predict it, but I do know for sure that the... map rework is coming. And that baffles me. Why would one dedicate their time and resources to something so completely arbitrary when the core game itself is not finished? I just cannot fathom that.

I do hope that I am mistaken, but for now I'll remain cautious and see how things develop before throwing my money at this project.

 

[Master of Puppets]

Perhaps it's not the scummy-scummy kinda thing going on, but it does seem like the dev is not very good at setting priorities straight. I don't know what's gonna be in the next game mechanics update, so I can't exactly judge how necessary it is nor can I predict it, but I do know for sure that the... map rework is coming. And that baffles me. Why would one dedicate their time and resources to something so completely arbitrary when the core game itself is not finished? I just cannot fathom that.

Because the artist doing the map is a totally different person than the programmer, so the time and resources aren't interchangeable.

 

[HumblestRanger]

Because the artist doing the map is a totally different person than the programmer, so the time and resources aren't interchangeable.

Wait, how many developers are involved in there?

 

[Lazyrick]

Wait, how many developers are involved in there?

It's really just Threshold as programmer/developer. Art is commissioned as needed from various artists, and there is the occasional scene written by others, but it wouldn't be much of a stretch to call this a one man show. there's a credit page in the menu with more details if you are interested.
the Map Rework was literally just showing off the new map that was drawn (by Jiffic) that showed more details and added some places Thresh has planned, like the Elf Village.

 

[Tired Noir]

So anyone ever did a no nut challenge run? (Normal or Hard mode, 1 spirit and no geting spirit enhancing perks, anything else goes)
how masochistic was trying to complete everything possible in these conditions?

 

[HumblestRanger]

It's really just Threshold as programmer/developer. Art is commissioned as needed from various artists, and there is the occasional scene written by others, but it wouldn't be much of a stretch to call this a one man show. there's a credit page in the menu with more details if you are interested.

Ah, I see, thanks for clarification.

the Map Rework was literally just showing off the new map that was drawn (by Jiffic) that showed more details and added some places Thresh has planned, like the Elf Village.

Like actually added or it's just placeholder markers or something like that? Because if it's the former, then it's more than just mere rework.