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Ren'Py Monster Girl Dreams [v26.7a Alpha] [Threshold]
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What bothers me is that you equated Tabitha fans with maledom
Also half or even more people of this tread are Kokone and\or Venefica fans who represents femdom
So ah
I think your calculation is kinda wrong here
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I'mma be completely honest and didn't expect you take Unsaid's side on this with what you were saying for real...
I've been seeing mostly Beris and Tabitha fans for real. Like they come out and show their love for their girls constantly.
Kotone's giga controversial. When she gets brought up from what I can see it's usually an argument, and most of the time people end up on the side of not wanting to romance her.
Is Venefica popular? I haven't seen anyone talk about her outside of asking for help fighting her and stuff. Gimme a sec, I'mma search her up real quick. Yeah... I looked her up. Not much love. Gameplay talks and stuff, but that's about it.
That being said, I'm not big into the community and it's not like I was here for that many patches. Unsaid got me into the game like... right when the new Mimic was added to the game.
Yes obviously. The sexually passive girl who I believe is the only one that has maledom rape content(*) in the game, and where the majority of her scenes is you leading of course.
You think?
I've been seeing mostly Beris and Tabitha fans for real. Like they come out and show their love for their girls constantly.
Kotone's giga controversial. When she gets brought up from what I can see it's usually an argument, and most of the time people end up on the side of not wanting to romance her.
Is Venefica popular? I haven't seen anyone talk about her outside of asking for help fighting her and stuff. Gimme a sec, I'mma search her up real quick. Yeah... I looked her up. Not much love. Gameplay talks and stuff, but that's about it.
That being said, I'm not big into the community and it's not like I was here for that many patches. Unsaid got me into the game like... right when the new Mimic was added to the game.
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Yeah it's a little weird. I just like Tabitha because the character is cute lmao
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I mean the main wrong point here that Tabitha is kinda also a femdom character
Instead of other girls she is the only character in the game who has the power of passive hipnosis
She is kinda a sex maniak and she likes you right away so she start bubling about banging her and how she ll like it
I guess you need to dive deep with her to understand her character
Quick reminder how it looks like:
Tabitha is a weird case. I think you could sort of sort her as the weirdest power-bottom there is. Because she is completely running the show if her hypnosis is active even if to an outside observer a bunch of the encounters would defo look like the man leading, hard.
I dunno, this game has mainly made me realise that I am a total sub who likes to very ocassionally switch. Gimme Ceris, Feng has some good points too though both need to be fleshed (does that work for an undead?) out since they are both a bit one-note.
I keep going on about Kaia and I really like her and dunno how most people keep forgetting her. So wholesome. And it has multiple stages with you meeting her/get attacked by her in the stalls, or taken to a private room for her to use, before she realises she has fallen for you. I like it a lot.
Jora and Kotone are also good but not that high on my list.
Course' there is that matter with Kaia saying that she wouldn't like you to have more than another partner besides her but the game so far doesn't have any way to talk about that (if it ever will).
tabs is neat but not a main interest.
I dunno, this game has mainly made me realise that I am a total sub who likes to very ocassionally switch. Gimme Ceris, Feng has some good points too though both need to be fleshed (does that work for an undead?) out since they are both a bit one-note.
I keep going on about Kaia and I really like her and dunno how most people keep forgetting her. So wholesome. And it has multiple stages with you meeting her/get attacked by her in the stalls, or taken to a private room for her to use, before she realises she has fallen for you. I like it a lot.
Jora and Kotone are also good but not that high on my list.
Course' there is that matter with Kaia saying that she wouldn't like you to have more than another partner besides her but the game so far doesn't have any way to talk about that (if it ever will).
tabs is neat but not a main interest.
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I mean yeah... all the girls are cute in their own way.
Have you done her content though? I don't think anything I'm saying is that crazy...
Lol.
The stuff you're saying and the picture you posted are literally the opposite. Where the picture is just you as the player lusting after her.
Don't think it's wrong to dislike subs or submissive personalities btw, but this conversation is weird.
The Batgirl who literally runs away from you when meeting you, has a very reserved and protective stance, has mostly male assertive sexual content, and is the only one with a maledom rape(*) scene. You're saying she's not submissive, or at least a heavily submissive switch?
I don't know guys... I think y'all are drinking Cool Aid.
That being said, I guess none of that matters. What matters is your perception of it. I made the assumption that all Tabitha fans are maledom fans because... I mean... look at her, but I was wrong.
I'll own that, considering two people directly came at me to argue the point.
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Tabitha is literally a hypnodomme. That some of her scenes involve her hypnotising the MC into fucking her really hard doesn't change that.
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She's not doing it on purpose and prefers to be the passive participant tho...
Are you telling me maledom fans don't enjoy her rape(*) scene cause I highly doubt that
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You do know what the word "some" means, right? It means that not all of her scenes are like that.She's not doing it on purpose and prefers to be the passive participant tho...
Are you telling me maledom fans don't enjoy her rape(*) scene cause I highly doubt that
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Of course. Just saying it's strange cause of the majority of her content.
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I have tho? Well now anyway.
99% sure what I'm talking about is the majority of her content. But well... this discussion is pointless anyway. Plot's lost.
You haven't even explicitly disagreed with my main points of contention.
I hope that the conversation thus far has not completely turned you off of the discussion. I find it very interesting that you believe that the majority of the audience is maledom. Given how much vocal support there is for Beris at least, I don't blame you there. Makes me wonder how many people get this game but don't comment on it. Considering that the description for the game lists upfront that it takes a primarily femdom angle, I think that most of the audience would play more into that as I would think that the primarily maledom audience would look elsewhere upon seeing that being advertised front-and-center.
As for me, I am pretty much a switch that leans HEAVILY into femdom. I like femdom but degradation is where I draw the line. I'm fine with assertive, superior, sadistic, and egotistical characters but once the focus shifts to how worthless the sub is, I'm out. As long as the focus stays on the femdom asserting their superiority without focusing on belittling the sub, I'm in. Tabitha and Kotone are my favorite characters, although I lean more toward Tabitha than Kotone though because of her personality. Venefica handily takes second and Kaia and Trisha tie for third. Aside from Beris, I dislike none of the girls in this game.
That being said, Beris is a HARD turn off for me. To be honest I didn't realize that she was a maledom character till people started commenting on her here because I immediately wanted nothing to do with her when she showed up. She was such a turn off for me that I had negative interest in her the moment she was introduced. Both her interactions with the MC and the MC's interactions with her (from what I've heard in comments here) turn me off. I dislike both the degradation from her and the "conquest" approach for the MC. I would like her to pay me back (monetarily not sexually) for the time I had to spend interacting with her in the Labyrynth.
On that same note (the perceived maledom bit that is). Tabitha though is a very interesting type of femdom character as she requires the MC to encourage her to take that role. She quickly takes to it and even gets excited for it when you ask for it. I find the hypnodom aspect to be really engaging. On the surface it looks like a maledom interaction but with the subconscious suggestions from Tabitha, it's actually a femdom interaction as you're doing precicely what she wants you to do. She is a character I would definitely not mind switching for since she just gels with me so well. Although, if they do allow you to go both maledom and femdom with her like the Wiki seems to imply, I'll still primarily engage with her femdom aspects though.
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So why did you dismiss her several hypnodomme scenes with:
It's called character development. She's shy initially but she gains confidence, just like many other girls are initially quite different from what they develop into. She's a switch, but "heavily submissive"? No. She's still under development and the main theme of her character is her increasing confidence and her hypnotic voice. Most of her scenes involve her using it to mind control the player, either by accident or deliberately, and when she does it deliberately she's clearly dominant. When she does it by accident it's grossly oversimplifying to call it a maledom scene, since she is the one calling the shots. That leaves her, by my count, with one non-hypnotic maledom scene.
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Well there is other thing that bothers me about what you saying
You continue to assert that Tabs have a rape scene
You know how rape differ from sex?
With few words, sex happen when partners are comfortable with each other
Rape happen when one of participants in sex act is totally not happy about it
And if every rape victim behaved like Tabs did in that scene, I don't think we'd ever have post-psychotic rape syndrome
What I'm trying to tell here is that there is no rape
Tabitha was freaking happy doing it with MC
I hope my arguments are sufficient for you in this case
Also I want to tell that girls really like to play the victim in sex games I mean IRL so such tricks are pretty common even without hypnosis
I think I must disagree with you
Tabs is getting more confident with MC while time goes like everyone else but her shy nature is not the main thing here
She's prone to social exhaustion
It's like her "battery" for social interactions is very limited
Add her shyness and awkwardness on top and you'll understand why she politely ask to leave just after a few minutes of talking before she knows you better
You may say she is getting used to your presence
That's other thing what I like about her
Cause I have the same problem
Two people having the same issue can understand and relate to each other better
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Wow. Got a lot of replies since my last post.
Cause when he started developing his game Sex Machine he talked to me about facing issues with Battlefuck as a genre, realizing how that genre affected his game sexually, and while he was designing the core elements of that game he was trying to push it more towards the female assertive side.
See with all the stuff he did in his game to get the feeling he wanted, it gave me a bit of a new perspective on other games I played and the community they gathered. Lots of maledom fans play the SEQUEL series, and love ROBF for instance. I think the BF genre as a whole just has a ton of pull regardless of preference.
I think her being so devisive is a strength of her character though. If people really dislike her there'll be others that REALLY like her in the same vein. It's probably what also makes Kotone so popular with some people I think.
I think she's quite the passive girl. I've said it b4, but she has trouble communicating at the start, runs from you and takes a conservative stance that hugs her frame.
B4 you even get invited to her place you have access to her rape(*) scene which is a traditional maledom rape scene with the added caviat of (you were actually being suggested by her to do this) so don't feel bad about it caviat.
During this part of your relationship your character's lusting after her physically as she has to deal with the consequences and embarassment from that.
And then after you go to her place you of course start all sexual encounters and lead in most of them. The few that you don't where you build up her confidence, I admit she leads tho.
I don't think it's good to take away agency from subs tho...
That argument could be used for any character in the game.
I'm talking about Tabitha as she is right now.
If a guy laid on his back and looked so damn sexy that a girl hopped up and jumped on his cock, I'd still call it male sub. He might be calling the shots, and might be tempting the woman, but since the woman has a choice and is the one being proactive about it, I'd call her the dom in that scenario.
I think subs are allowed to be into the sex and not instantly become the dom magically.
Reverse the situation and that's Tabs I think. The only thing is hypno which you can clearly fight and not do her rape(*) scene so... It's just the situation I gave but more intense in the temptation department.
I don't think I'll be moved on my view of the character, but I now understand it was absolutely ridiculous to talk like everyone shared the opinion I did like it was obvious. I'm surprised, but I think I have a better understanding of how the character is viewed in the community now.
EDIT:
It means there's a special condition to it.
The scene is just written like a rape scene but it turns out it really wasn't.
Cause at that point in the story you don't know about her hypnosis, and the writing just focuses on the MC losing to his lust and assaulting her while she's fallen over. Later she gives you the details and apologizes to you, to recontextualize what happened.
Yeah, I argued with Unsaid about this.
Cause when he started developing his game Sex Machine he talked to me about facing issues with Battlefuck as a genre, realizing how that genre affected his game sexually, and while he was designing the core elements of that game he was trying to push it more towards the female assertive side.
See with all the stuff he did in his game to get the feeling he wanted, it gave me a bit of a new perspective on other games I played and the community they gathered. Lots of maledom fans play the SEQUEL series, and love ROBF for instance. I think the BF genre as a whole just has a ton of pull regardless of preference.
Bruh. IKR.
I think her being so devisive is a strength of her character though. If people really dislike her there'll be others that REALLY like her in the same vein. It's probably what also makes Kotone so popular with some people I think.
Yeah noooope. That's not how I view her character at all and I've done all of her stuff now.
I think she's quite the passive girl. I've said it b4, but she has trouble communicating at the start, runs from you and takes a conservative stance that hugs her frame.
B4 you even get invited to her place you have access to her rape(*) scene which is a traditional maledom rape scene with the added caviat of (you were actually being suggested by her to do this) so don't feel bad about it caviat.
During this part of your relationship your character's lusting after her physically as she has to deal with the consequences and embarassment from that.
And then after you go to her place you of course start all sexual encounters and lead in most of them. The few that you don't where you build up her confidence, I admit she leads tho.
I don't think it's good to take away agency from subs tho...
I'm not talking about future Tabitha.
That argument could be used for any character in the game.
I'm talking about Tabitha as she is right now.
Meh, I don't take agency away from subs. I think that's way too common on the internet.
If a guy laid on his back and looked so damn sexy that a girl hopped up and jumped on his cock, I'd still call it male sub. He might be calling the shots, and might be tempting the woman, but since the woman has a choice and is the one being proactive about it, I'd call her the dom in that scenario.
I think subs are allowed to be into the sex and not instantly become the dom magically.
Reverse the situation and that's Tabs I think. The only thing is hypno which you can clearly fight and not do her rape(*) scene so... It's just the situation I gave but more intense in the temptation department.
I will say this tho...at the end of the day it all depends on the viewer.
I don't think I'll be moved on my view of the character, but I now understand it was absolutely ridiculous to talk like everyone shared the opinion I did like it was obvious. I'm surprised, but I think I have a better understanding of how the character is viewed in the community now.
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But... I've always added the asterisk...
It means there's a special condition to it.
The scene is just written like a rape scene but it turns out it really wasn't.
Cause at that point in the story you don't know about her hypnosis, and the writing just focuses on the MC losing to his lust and assaulting her while she's fallen over. Later she gives you the details and apologizes to you, to recontextualize what happened.