Try going two pages back before you join a discussion. There are at least 3 people praising the writing as some pinnacle of authorship.I mean, if you feel that way that's cool or whatever, but I think you kinda failed miserably in trying not to be antagonistic, because I've noticed not only here but in other threads, you tend to put a lot of stock in stuff that REALLY doesn't matter. Discussion is fine, but it feels as if you're trying to tell people that a silly porn game has bad writing and that it means anything at all, when it really doesn't. I don't think anyone's here for a pinnacle of storytelling fr, but that could just be me
I didn't see any comment that says that, I think that's just stuff you're assuming. And even if someone DID truly think that this game was some Dante-esque masterpiece of storytelling, who even cares dude? You interact with the girls, or don't interact with the girls, and move on with your life. People be on here writing whole thesis statements on why they don't like a porn game. So much energy wasted on something that, again, does NOT matter.Try going two pages back before you join a discussion. There are at least 3 people praising the writing as some pinnacle of authorship.
I think you're making things up given the current discussion is on what the barrier does and does not prevent and if it's actually as good an idea in-universe as it has been proposed to be. You're welcome to join the discussion, but respectfully, if you can't even keep up and insist on this charade, do it elsewhere. You're not making any meaningful contribution and are an active nuisance.I didn't see any comment that says that, I think that's just stuff you're assuming. And even if someone DID truly think that this game was some Dante-esque masterpiece of storytelling, who even cares dude? You interact with the girls, or don't interact with the girls, and move on with your life. People be on here writing whole thesis statements on why they don't like a porn game. So much energy wasted on something that, again, does NOT matter.
I don't think anyone here said they don't like the game?I didn't see any comment that says that, I think that's just stuff you're assuming. And even if someone DID truly think that this game was some Dante-esque masterpiece of storytelling, who even cares dude? You interact with the girls, or don't interact with the girls, and move on with your life. People be on here writing whole thesis statements on why they don't like a porn game. So much energy wasted on something that, again, does NOT matter.
Well, let me clarify something upfront: I don’t believe segregation in the sense of integrating monster girls into human cities, where they live on one side and humans on the other, would ever work. That’s an illusion of coexistence, not a solution. Realistically, segregation would only function if they had their own nation and we had ours. And that model isn’t impossible, humanity itself is proof of that. We’re one species cohabiting this planet across countless nations, languages, and cultures, maintaining sovereignty while respecting boundaries. That’s the ideal I’d aim for.Peace won't happen as-is. As stated above, Sofia is the closest thing we (currently) have to a monster "submitting" to some form of Human law, and she's clearly biding her time and saving energy. The next down is Ancilla, then Kotone, and whoever else before you get to the "feral" population of Elves, ghosts, matangos, etc. Since Sofia is our measuring stick, you're putting a lot of stock into forced segregation having any impact. You're not actually forcing them to do anything. You've created an environment where a lot of the strongest ones will represent the rest on the world stage until you tear down the wall, at which point they'll almost immediately start up the conflict again with a new toolkit.
Fair points, It just felt to me like you were ignoring some things, glad that's cleared up thoughFirst off, let’s address the obvious: it’s hard to win a war when your most lethal attacks amount to little more than a tickle. The spell preventing lethal combat is, without question, a problem if you aim to claim a decisive victory. It’s not a resolution—it’s a forced armistice, a ceasefire held together by magic rather than mutual understanding. Your analogy to sewing a dieter’s mouth shut is apt, but only in the sense that it prevents immediate harm without addressing deeper issues. That’s why this ceasefire presents an opportunity, not for sunshines and rainbows, as you so flippantly suggest, but for dialogue. If the dialogue fails, the solution is simple: bring down the spell and let the war resume in earnest.
Now, let’s address your larger point. You speak as though I’ve chosen to overlook the dangers and darkness of this world. That’s not the case. I’m under no illusions about the monstrous nature of many of these beings or the centuries of atrocities committed. I don’t avert my eyes, I calculate the risks. The spell doesn’t erase their desires or capacity for harm, and I’d never assume otherwise. But it does provide a unique opportunity to assess those who might submit to human law and those who won’t. To fail to explore that option before resorting to total annihilation is not strength; it’s recklessness.
As for your warnings about the capital and beyond, I’ve heard them loud and clear. Proper caution is warranted, and I’ll take it. But caution doesn’t mean closing the door entirely on coexistence where it’s feasible. And make no mistake: should these monsters prove irredeemable, should their desires outweigh any possibility of coexistence, I will be the first to advocate for breaking the spell and returning to war. Mercy has its limits, but it is not weakness to offer it where it is deserved.
Finally, let’s dispense with this notion that I approach this media with an 'expectation of innocence.' That’s your assumption, not my perspective. Innocence isn’t my concern, peace and humanity’s survival are. If peace can be achieved through dialogue and submission to human law, I’ll take it. If not, then I’ll bring the war to their doorstep with every ounce of strength I possess. It’s as simple as that.
It's a question that's never going to me answered, or maybe it seemply goes with that, human woman are just extinct, or have a marginally lower population. MG porn games aren't going to address these since i guess people don't care, you play a mg game to fuck exotic looking women, who cares about the real ones at that point? World building is definitely the weakest aspect of all porn games, a famous example is the unintentional dystopia of nekopara.yhea thats problems for most monster girl games which dose not really have any easy solutions.
like point of 90% of game is that monster girls are better then human woman its just time game at that point
I'm fairly sure there already have been games like that. I can't name any since they mostly dissappear from my mind, but alot og MG games tend to be on the femdom leaning side than otherwise, though not that there is no maledom.Indeed. Even if monster girls could produce normal, healthy human sons, the long-term consequences remain dire. Over time, human women could face extinction if human males no longer needed them to reproduce. Combine that with the fact that monster girls are often stronger, faster, and in many cases even more capable than human men, and the societal and cultural impact becomes devastating. The power imbalance alone could lead to a world where humanity is subjugated, viewed as pets rather than equals. Such an outcome would be intolerable, an affront to humanity’s sovereignty and survival. This is not just a matter of biology; it’s a battle for our very identity as a species.
This is true, but clearly not the intention of high authorities. Adventurers are intentionally being sent to the island with debt, who invented this scheme? I said previously I think it's Venerae, other choices could include pro monster factions in the human world we are yet aware of the MG and DQ herself through infiltration of human high command.there are couple of solutions that can technically work.
best one i would say is segregation something like what is happening to MGD world. monster girl live in there own separate territory and human migration is very limited and controlled
MGD isn't a game that's theory worthy, not in a "I'm not wasting my time on that" kind of sense, but rather that it just doesn't have enough content to make a theory on.And seriously, it's annoying to just see your reply thread be a list of questions. Why don't you speculate as to the reasons for why things are the way they are in MGD and cook up a theory? That's far more interesting than endless nitpicking.
I don't disagree per say, but I find Venefica's enhancements more impressive, Vili's boobs are very magical in nature, they literally tempt you and hypnotize you just by existing. It's not as if Vili is specifically casting that magic to make you focus on her boos, no, her boobs ARE literally made up of hypnosis magic. Not to mention how she can easily change her size absolutely zero pain, think about it, she's adding and removing fat while not affecting the structural integrity. That's why I think Vili's body modification in particular is closer to magical than physical, yes you can touch them, but if Vili was completely drained of mana i think that her tits would go with it (I'm completely aware that this is just a wild guess, but that's how i see it). Though complete mana drain tends to kill people, so what would having smaller tits matter at that point.I mean, to change your shape and sustain that change without going Gojo (keeping your power on 24/7) would require some genetic modifications in itself, albeit not on the level of pouring chocolate milk from your own tits. Actually, it would be similar enough. Even something as "mild" as making one's tits bigger is introducing several pounds of fat and previously non-existent weight. Your body is now being told to account for your chest having expanded and at least a few inches more where blood and muscle must travel to sustain. That's a lot deeper than surface-level stuff.
Honestly, when you examine the introduction of an entirely new race a la Venefica and imply their version of body modification is exclusive while also having the magics for body mods exist already, the writing doesn't stand up to scrutiny, which is what it now needs to do. The witches can just be hyper-competent due to excessive exposure and thusly their comprehension of moderate- to high-level magics is that much more advanced to where they naturally lactate a caramel macchiato on command. You just can't expect that an entirely new branch of magic is discovered by an exclusive group and then in the first exposure to it, have the PC/Reader be met with just an evolved form of an existing ability.
That so? Well I did say I'd try.I mean, if you feel that way that's cool or whatever, but I think you kinda failed miserably in trying not to be antagonistic, because I've noticed not only here but in other threads, you tend to put a lot of stock in stuff that REALLY doesn't matter. Discussion is fine, but it feels as if you're trying to tell people that a silly porn game has bad writing and that it means anything at all, when it really doesn't. I don't think anyone's here for a pinnacle of storytelling fr, but that could just be me
Holding games to a higher standard almost seems illegal here, I'm not expecting life changing writing here, just something decent.I didn't see any comment that says that, I think that's just stuff you're assuming. And even if someone DID truly think that this game was some Dante-esque masterpiece of storytelling, who even cares dude? You interact with the girls, or don't interact with the girls, and move on with your life. People be on here writing whole thesis statements on why they don't like a porn game. So much energy wasted on something that, again, does NOT matter.
Oh yeah, I'll be first then, I used to like the game, not anymore though, the more I think about it the lesser I think of it.I don't think anyone here said they don't like the game?
If the Demon Queen were spooked, then she probably wouldn’t have set up a continent spanning horny obstacle course that should, eventually, put a high level hero right on her doorstep. And if humanity, or at least the guild, are serious about defeating the Demon Queen, why are they intentionally training their would-be-heroes wrong?I think that's the optimal route they can do while they just continue on the main plot which is literally the current demon queen fucking around until humanity came to Lucidia to end her, spooking her so bad she put up the sex only no violence barrier in fear.
I also share this opinion.That's quite the discussion going on... while the story isn't something crazy it's still got enough intrigue found in character interactions, such as with Kotone, Belle, or Venefica.
I think that's the optimal route they can do while they just continue on the main plot which is literally the current demon queen fucking around until humanity came to Lucidia to end her, spooking her so bad she put up the sex only no violence barrier in fear.
Bro, I want you to actually think about your post.Damn. Thought the next update dropped and got excited but no, its just people schizoposting over a porn game.
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I also share this opinion.
I think the overarching plot for the world is currently a bit nonsensical, shallow, and inconsequential....
Y'all are saying the same things as Unsaid did. But Triple, I think you were being unnecessarily rude about it. I don't think it's the result of lazyness that leads to what Dreams has done, but more just he's doing what he finds erotic and doesn't develop it "further" than that. I don't think it's right to guess at authorial intent that way.MGD is particularly lazy/simple in that regard, I feel like I can really recreate the developers thinking process when designing the concept.
I also think this statement is pretty crazy.-"hmm, now they all are too nice, doesn't scratch the masochist itch
Bro... you... you don't even like the game.Casual and lighthearted stories doesn't mean they are allowed to just not give a shit about most writing rules and norms.
Also, those aren't even mutually exclusive, why is the concept of though provoking narratives have to be attached to some grim dark and serious stories? Any story can be though provking if the author has enough balls and intelligence to say something, teach you about something, or put a different perspective on something, offer social commentary and so on. Not to mention that serious storiess could easily be casual and lighthearted.
The argument of "The characters are the focus" would be stronger if the characters themselves are actually well written, but they're nothing spectacular, you can summarize the character arcs (those that actually exist) in a single sentence. The characters aren't the focus of the writing, as we'd actually be allowed to know more about them. The characters are FAN SERVICE based on shallow tropes which aren't expanded upon. The game's magnum opus of Kotone could only barely qualify as an actual character story, everything else feels like a sitcom quality, you enjoy it, but you can't call it good can you? Some of them don't feel like characters, just charicatures made for a specific kink.
It would also help if MGD was a dating game instead, those are examples of weak grand narratives with strong character narratives, but MGD only has a very barebones ""dating"" mechanic and what you're rewarded by raising it, and as I said, the characters aren't up to par on a character driven story.
This seems very in line with the game's writing, but it would unironically make me pop an artery if it were true.I think that's the optimal route they can do while they just continue on the main plot which is literally the current demon queen fucking around until humanity came to Lucidia to end her, spooking her so bad she put up the sex only no violence barrier in fear.
I half agree, but I'm bored, so gotta join in the discussion. Even if a game is substandard or even below that, doesn't mean the audience should put it to the same standard.MGD is the most generic overall adventure concept, "go and beat monster lord", and then a bunch of placeholder concept added as a bare bones foundation to enable the dev to do what he enjoys far more than designing such things, which is to implement and write characters and character interactions for the time being, until there is enough demand to rework the placeholders and deliver something more solid. Then he put it out there, placeholder concepts and all, and people ate it right up, most of them not minding it having such a weak foundation even for monster girl game standards, so there was never any reason to fix the foundation.
In short, I feel like deeper discussions about this game in particular are a wasted effort, as the effort put in you can justify to discuss more lore and world building around a world should, at most, mirror the effort that was required designing it, which in this case is almost zero, as that is simply not what the developer chose to focus on.
See, this is the fun I'm talking about.Bro... you... you don't even like the game.
Like honestly. All I see is you shitting on the setting, narrative, persiflage, and characters. Only thing I haven't seen you shit on is the combat system honestly.
Why are you expecting someone else's game to fit your desires for it so completely?
Go make your own game. Like literally.
If Treshold doesn't want to write a thought provoking narrative that's on him. If he's OK with the character depth being the way they are that's also on him.
I like the game. I like the amount of effort being put into the main narrative. It's not sooooo much that I have to dive deep into the lore of random books I find to get a full picture or whatever, but deep enough that talking to various NPCs and piecing together past events is enjoyable. Not trying to be this big epic story either. Not even what I want from it honestly.
I like how developed the characters are. I like that Elena and her sister have a really interesting sibling dynamic and I like how her sister sometimes interjects when you're trying to get to know more about her. I like talking to her sister and seeing her geek out about magic. This is enough for me. Can it be deeper? Sure. With more time and effort anything could be deeper.
If it's not enough for you, and you clearly don't like the game, I honestly just wanna see you try.
You answer your own statement. They simply guessed authorial intent, and within their mind with the evidence they gathered tried to guess at the authorial intent. It's not rude, it's an expression of their opinion.guess at authorial intent that way.
If you wish to hear about updates as soon as possible, join the discord, if you don't want to do that and want to get updates from here. Ignore everything we say and just look for a purple cloud pfp in the notifications when it posts.Damn. Thought the next update dropped and got excited but no, its just people schizoposting over a porn game.
Just like I said that the effort to discuss lore and world building should somewhat mirror the developers effort of creating said lore and world building in the first place, I also think that a threads activity level should mirror the effort and recent output of a games development. Far be it from me to start another cycle of "this game makes barely any progress" talk, but it can hardly be denied that this game barely makes any freaking progress anymore these days. I fail to see how this thread becoming less active as a result due to there simply being nothing new of substance to talk about for months on end is really a bad thing. Sounds like a natural development to me that would fix itself automatically when at some point an update will drop that includes more than 1-2 fuck scene dialogues, 1 cg and some mild balancing changes.I half agree, but I'm bored, so gotta join in the discussion. Even if a game is substandard or even below that, doesn't mean the audience should put it to the same standard.
Of course, I think your intention is to minimize grief and emotion, afterall "it's just a game" or something along those lines. It's true, though i don't think anyone here was that upset with this discussion.
However I find it counterproductive to do ssomething like that, since if we really do that, this thread will genuinely never be active or even worth going towards, and I doubt that the people who actually like the game would even want that. Arguments, over analyzation and everything else, I fail to see the issue with them, just learn to have fun
You haven’t established why the thread continuing to receive posts despite a languid development pace is a bad thing either, though.I fail to see how this thread becoming less active as a result due to there simply being nothing new of substance to talk about for months on end is really a bad thing.
I think being the Demon Queen allows her to avoid the title of NEET, if only on a technicality.- The dq wasn't the only one fucking around, and it wasn't just 1 demon queen, why cast the barrier now? This particular queen is a coward? Possibly true, with the ssingular instance we actually get a glimpse at the queen's personality, she's somewhat of a homebody? OR maybe even a NEET at the worst.