Morality of the MC (specifically male, but females too)

[seifukulover]

To expand on my point that it entirely depends on the MC, the story, and how he or she is written...would you watch Deadpool and worry about his morality? Or would you expect or ignore the holy shit fucked up things he says and does?

In the case of Deadpool I would say no, we're not supposed to care that he's so immoral. The focus of the story is on the comedy and action, so there's no drama when he slaughters mooks or anything like that. But you put Deadpool as the protagonist of a story that takes his wanton violence seriously, and now it's a big deal that the MC is a bad guy.

 

[tanstaafl]

In the case of Deadpool I would say no, we're not supposed to care that he's so immoral. The focus of the story is on the comedy and action, so there's no drama when he slaughters mooks or anything like that. But you put Deadpool as the protagonist of a story that takes his wanton violence seriously, and now it's a big deal that the MC is a bad guy.

I'm not sure what your point was other than to agree with my statement of "depends on the MC, the story, and how he or she is written."

 

[MissCougar]

You missed the most dangerous archetype of all, the MCs own father. There's a reason that more than half of all harem game MCs are orphans, have amnesia, or their dad dies to kick off the story.

Good point, but I think in most of those cases the father or step whatever is an ugly bastard? If not, add it to the list!

I'll prefer if he gets cucked instead where he kidnaps his LI, contains her in prison, starves her so he can train her, tortures her, rapes her, impregnates her and sells the babies to slave house, and after she is fully tamed he lets her get out on a leash and have strangers have their way with her(optionally)

Yes, this is a game.

Yes, there might be something like this on third-person perspective on NTR games, it irks me regardless, but probably less so, as I can clearly see them as the antagonist. But also depends on execution, I don't think Something Unlimited is that emotionally impactful, even though it can be considered on similar levels.

Starting to feel this weird trend that seems to be emerging in this thread!

I'm glad everyone is against this thing that keeps being brought up though. Keep being honorable and good!

 

[tanstaafl]

but I think in most of those cases the father or step whatever is an ugly bastard?

That or the MC is just a younger version of the father, but father has more experience and a bigger cock.

 

[MissCougar]

That or the MC is just a younger version of the father, but father has more experience and a bigger cock.

Bigger cock is pretty much a cornerstone requirement. Cant even imagine the reverse happening where some dumb broad leaves a meathead misogynistic and abusive guy with a huge dick for a smart, self sufficient, confident and cheerful guy with a smaller dick.

Such impossible heresy must be purged from your mind!

 

[Jaike]

I like it when a protagonist is flawed. That isn't in the first place about ethics, but I don't like a completely pure good protagonist, and I don't like a dark and edgy one who has massacring kittens and puppies as their main goal in life either. What's more important to me is that their ethics are grounded and fitting, and I can, like, put up with a lot of stuff I don't personally agree with because I don't self insert. There was an abandoned VN about a king with a lot of implied incest, and he treated his lower servants with a level of fitting contempt for a royal or noble ruler in that kind of society. Another VN had an office guy who had sexist opinions about women driving. That stuff felt real enough. I don't like grimdark protagonists either because those are very often overpowered dark Gary Stus. Those protagonists are usually male, the dark Mary Sues of grimdark games are often demonic antagonists called Lilith or Jezebel.

Likability is a real thing, tho. It's one thing if the protagonist is a literal pirate who does actually do piracy and murders crews and loots the cargo. Or like a slaver or slave trader or slave owner who treats his slaves cruelly, despite being a former slave. Yes, that's something that happened, people. A lot. But randomly murdering without any available or implied reason overplays likability. Unless they're ugly bastards, I'm talking about the victims. The 2 examples I just gave are honestly prolly too much for many people tho. It's like a very subjective standard indeed, but I think it's a better guide for how good or evil a protagonist can be than a literal ethical standard.

A thing that looks like it conflicts with what I just wrote is that I don't really like exaggerated negativity. But I've realised that's often negativity that's way beyond anything that's justified by the setting. On the other hand I'm more lenient to "too evil" protagonists if the game feels like a satyre.

The netori versus netorare angle was a bit of a twist. I honestly dislike both, though I may put up with netori if the protagonist is a enough of a "good guy", this is a very low bar in this genre, and the "cuck" is way worse than just a jerk or a neglecting partner. I generally don't like cheating much, and that includes emotional cheating where an MC tells half a dozen women "I love you" a dozen times when that obviously implies romantic love and commitment. Ironically, I can like some betrayal arcs where the element of emotional cheating is ambiguous, or where the wannabe partner is too entitled. And tragedy is fine.

In short, flawed, grounded (consistent), likable. Not too negative. No like cheat cheat and emotional cheat.

Good point, but I think in most of those cases the father or step whatever is an ugly bastard? If not, add it to the list!

There's a dedicated trope for that, if a dad is alive in a game with a male MC he's often a sociopath (may run in the family!), especially in incest or harem games. Once in a Lifetime is an exceptional one where the dad is a jerk from the start, literally Satan, possibly cucked by the MC, and killed by the MC in the end. No Fräud jokes!

Starting to feel this weird trend that seems to be emerging in this thread!

I'm glad everyone is against this thing that keeps being brought up though. Keep being honorable and good!

For their defence, there are games that are literally like that. Often dark and edgy netori. There's also a way overrated one with a bullshit dilemma where the protagonist is forced to choice between raping a young woman close to him personally or let her get gangraped by monsters.

I can even burden you with a game where a female protagonist uses hypnosis to get her lesbian harem, and another one where a female protagonist manipulates and abuses her slaves to train them for her lesbian harem.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

I like it when a protagonist is flawed. That isn't in the first place about ethics, but I don't like a completely pure good protagonist, and I don't like a dark and edgy one who has massacring kittens and puppies as their main goal in life either.

Pure good protagonists can have flaws too, you know! I will not tolerate this good noodle MC slander!

 

[crnisl]

I can even burden you with a game where a female protagonist uses hypnosis to get her lesbian harem, and another one where a female protagonist manipulates and abuses her slaves to train them for her lesbian harem.

Pretty please, share these pieces with us!

The guy tends to be super weak willed, and the woman just turns into a slut

 

[lfgals1]

and the woman just turns into a slut after some breast gropes and uoon seeing a big dick.

...

Anyhow thanks for my Ted talk on why it's dumb for women to just go turbo slut be an obnoxious stranger flashed their junk to her.

As someone who enjoys the turbo slutification kink, it's fucking depressing how little good content we get thanks to this exact problem.

You are trying to tell a story about how her pleasure breaks her mind motherfucker! Maybe, just maybe, pay an iota of attention to ACUALLY pleasuring her!

 

[MissCougar]

As someone who enjoys the turbo slutification kink, it's fucking depressing how little good content we get thanks to this exact problem.

You are trying to tell a story about how her pleasure breaks her mind motherfucker! Maybe, just maybe, pay an iota of attention to ACUALLY pleasuring her!

That's because I don't think people understand corruption, despite claiming it or tagging it as such. Most "corruption" stuff is just weird molestation until she is a huge slut.

But what you seem to be implying is what I am into as well. Actually BE corruptive and not a creepy molester and show her pleasure that makes her go "hmmm... this dark side thing sure is kind of nice..."

Doing this has nothing to do with groping by strangers on the streets. It has nothing to do with molesting her randomly.

It has a lot to do with putting her out of her comfort zone, slowly, and being gentle yet persuasive AND REWARDING that activity nicely. These rewards and exits from the comfort zone can continue to build up until she may like to get molested on trains and seek it out like a slut, but that has to be worked up to. Otherwise it's not corruption, it's just a creepy molester simulation with a female character who acts nothing like a woman would under those circumstances.

And it's not bad that people do like molester trains. It's just that that is not what I consider corruption, and this is encompassing of vast swathes of games. Stories and books do this MUCH better- even short stories can still get it across. I'm not sure why those stories haven't translated well to video games yet.

 

[Kamishirov]

Different people have different moral standards.

I can't expect the writer to think like I do, so his/her point of view regarding sitting in the cuck chair while watching their girlfriend/wife get hammered by big stiff cock(s) is acceptable to them, desirable even.

What I can do if the protagonist is a massive soy infused cuck is to not play.

One thing that I particularly dislike are the seemingly always sissy prison games, (Why can't I be the one to take it?) it takes all the fear out of playing the game when the character gets ordered to their knees to suck a filthy cock and they just do it, easiest turning out ever, barely even complained, didn't even get any commissary beforehand, at least trade your mouth for some ramen or something goddamn!



Would some of y'all like a game where you're a muscular jock CEO businessman politician and some weaselly 'Revenge of the nerds' type office working loser who prays to get Isekai'd rabbit punches your girlfriend's pussy with his micro penis? What's the alternative to being cucked by an obnoxious bull? Being cucked by a "nice guy" Redditor or Discord mod?

 

[lfgals1]

Stories and books do this MUCH better- even short stories can still get it across. I'm not sure why those stories haven't translated well to video games yet.

Yeah, there are a ton of mediums that do corruption better than these video games in a "this is a woman changing due to pleasure" sense. Most of those things are made by women. Personal insight and all that. And it is definitely what I was getting at. The corruption needs to make sense as something that works.

I will say that I think the coercive element is a fundamental part of the appeal of corruption kink to a lot of dudes (myself included). The idea that you can turn a woman who doesn't want you into a woman who desperately needs you through the power of masculine/sex/penis power. I'm not a particular fan of train molesting because the use of force circumvents that 'pushing boundaries until she wants it' aspect, but I can see how other people can see that and label it corruption if what they focus on is the "I change her" aspect without thinking too hard about the "what would change her" aspect.

 

[MissCougar]

Yeah, there are a ton of mediums that do corruption better than these video games in a "this is a woman changing due to pleasure" sense. Most of those things are made by women. Personal insight and all that. And it is definitely what I was getting at. The corruption needs to make sense as something that works.

I will say that I think the coercive element is a fundamental part of the appeal of corruption kink to a lot of dudes (myself included). The idea that you can turn a woman who doesn't want you into a woman who desperately needs you through the power of masculine/sex/penis power. I'm not a particular fan of train molesting because the use of force circumvents that 'pushing boundaries until she wants it' aspect, but I can see how other people can see that and label it corruption if what they focus on is the "I change her" aspect without thinking too hard about the "what would change her" aspect.

I love confident men. I think confidence is amazing.

I see successful corruption as a way a powerful and confident man can share his confidence with a woman to pus her more and more over the edge. She basically latches on to him in order to gain not only his confidence but also his happiness. Like a good puppy doing a trick. The tricks just get worse and worse, but the rewards get better and better, and that confidence lets you do more and more things.

One of these days I'm going to be able to make my own game and make these things happen. Just not soon because I'm afraid and don't have confidence.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Corruption is cringe anyway. Now, a character who acts slutty/sexy for MC (Which BETTER be futa ) in the bedroom, while still remaining wholesome? Absolutely top tier.

 

[lfgals1]

I love confident men. I think confidence is amazing.

I see successful corruption as a way a powerful and confident man can share his confidence with a woman to pus her more and more over the edge. She basically latches on to him in order to gain not only his confidence but also his happiness. Like a good puppy doing a trick. The tricks just get worse and worse, but the rewards get better and better, and that confidence lets you do more and more things.

One of these days I'm going to be able to make my own game and make these things happen. Just not soon because I'm afraid and don't have confidence.

I am going to want to play this game. Powerful and confident men using their authority to slowly turn women into what they want is pretty much my jam.

And yeah, I'm right there with you on eventually making a game bit, I have definitely downloaded and tried out some game design tools and some drawing programs. I have a long way to go in either category.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

One of these days I'm going to be able to make my own game and make these things happen. Just not soon because I'm afraid and don't have confidence.

And yeah, I'm right there with you on eventually making a game bit, I have definitely downloaded and tried out some game design tools and some drawing programs. I have a long way to go in either category.

You guy's got this!

 

[UsagiZero]

I don't mind either. In the end it all depends on if there is a story and where there is, what kind of vibe does it give. I know MCs in the simplest titles are just there so you could immerse yourself in their place but I prefer when they kinda have their own personality, no matter if they lack any morals or are the nicest person in the entire game.

 

[NTR unavoidable!]

Moral male: Only good as collateral damage

They can produce copious amount of misery tho. There is no better suffering than of a deprived and betrayed male to me. It just hits the spot.

 

[Lerd0]

...morals are a spook....

 

[tanstaafl]

...morals are a spook....
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Morals are personal things and are not pertinent at a societal level. Ethics on the other hand are at a societal level.

Moral: (noun) A lesson, especially one concerning what is right or prudent, that can be derived from a story, a piece of information, or an experience.

Serial killers have their own personal morals of right and wrong. I've always found it amusing when people rail against morality as if it meant anything other than self delusion and an attempt at being non-conformist. All it does is establish a baseline of how educated a person isn't.

The religion part of that meme was spot on though.