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Arkus86

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I think that taking "We don't want a bunch of sex-on-loss so people who want to see everything have to lose a bunch" as equivalent to "We will only allow the MC to have sex with a bunch of lesbians and walk around doing nothing" is such an extreme logical leap it's a wonder you're not in orbit.

And I like sex-on-loss.
This, exactly this. Sex-on-loss is just one of many possible defeat outcomes, and has little to no bearing on the scope of content outside defeats.
 

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We do not rule out sex-on-loss fully, just, when we implement it:
  • It wont always be sex that is on loss
  • It will always be consensual (unless *someone* makes an unofficial patch)
  • It will not be 100% of losses that result in sex scenes (unless *someone* makes an unofficial patch)

An unofficial patch would be a thing that would take *someone* time to develop and there would need to be more content in the game.

We don't want it to be a wandering sim, we do want to add more sex at some point, but, we are primarily game devs, we had the most experience making games, so we just want to have an actually good game underneath it as well.
Last thing we'd wanna make is pretty much just a few sex cutscenes connected by a loose feeling of gameplay.
We have a passion both for making games and a passion for porn, hope you understand.

Besides.. if it were a cash grab wouldn't we be... selling the game?
 
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Arkus86

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I wonder who that someone is
Someone who wants that type of content in the game without making it part of the base game or officially connected with the game or developer, I bet.
On a completely unrelated note, it's the type of content that tends to make Patreon, storefronts and payment processors twitchy, even more than they are about regular adult content.
 

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see, it might be though.

it's a very pretty project with silly caked up mouse lady.
big husky overpowering guards exist as a foil currently, yet the dev has gone on record in this board roughly saying:
"we don't see the guards as something you'd have sex with"
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???

it is a pretty project, but maybe it will just remain a pretty wandering sim.
where you play as a cute caked up mouse.
stumbling and tripping all over yourself while lesbians belittle your efforts and the only intercourse you will be granted is strap-on business and silly futa shenanigans.

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just saying.
it does have potential to allow for many, many kinks.

that can be limited by the devs willingness, too.

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something a supporter should be aware of.
"sex-on-loss" doesn't have to equal: a non-consensual game over state.

mouse is already animated in a very playful and quirky way, she could just as easily look as goofy and playful with a fella's cock in her mouth. :)

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Just making usure if i comprehended your concerns correctly, but all this pile of text and screens can be much simply summarized with you just feeling upset over the devs refusing to contemplate the insertion of m/f content with the guards, right? (Which totally isn't the kind of overused and oversaturated content to the point that it feel as much stale, if not even more than the box of cookies that my grandma keeps stored from 2 centuries at least in her food thingy btw.)

I mean, i'm not contrarian to the idea if it does scratch someone else kinks, why would i be? I just prefer that the devs keeps their main priority on the f/f aspect of the game, since we don't have enough remotely decent 3d cutesy and fun games with an emphasis on lesbians and futas.

Again, if the devs will ever consider the idea of introducing m/f content, i'm not against it. I just hope that it will be more of an afterthought, rather than the main focus of the game.
 
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Hi, I was on your discord but was bunned for posting ads. At the time my account was hacked.
When I got access back, I deleted them all and apologies there, or I believe so. If not, I'm sorry.
Is it possible for me to be unbanned?
 

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Hi, I was on your discord but was bunned for posting ads. At the time my account was hacked.
When I got access back, I deleted them all and apologies there, or I believe so. If not, I'm sorry.
Is it possible for me to be unbanned?
Sure! Reach out to me on discord, my nickname is feralco
 

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Just making usure if i comprehended your concerns correctly, but all this pile of text and screens can be much simply summarized with you just feeling upset over the devs refusing to contemplate the insertion of m/f content with the guards, right? ..
no :coffee:

We do not rule out sex-on-loss fully, just, when we implement it:
  • It wont always be sex that is on loss
  • It will always be consensual (unless *someone* makes an unofficial patch)
  • It will not be 100% of losses that result in sex scenes (unless *someone* makes an unofficial patch)
cool dev (y)
 

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I'm not into BDSM, futa, humiliation, or even group sex.- It's a turn-off for me.
But DAMN.
This game is good. >_>
 
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Text taken directly from Milkshake++ Discord Server.

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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

- Will there be sex on loss/caught?
We will not be adding "sex on loss" or "sex upon being caught" as it is considered non-con.
However we are not responsible for any community mods that would add such features.
Binding / bondage upon being caught is a different topic.

- Will there be futa / intersex / lesbian / gay / straight sex?
We would like to make it so that most preferences are accounted for.

- Will the game feature [my kink]?
If it's BDSM related then most likely yes, otherwise it's hard to say.
We will implement the requests of backers that tell us what they'd like (obviously as long as it aligns with the game).

- Is the game going to be free?
We plan for the game to remain free in one way or another, with possible paid expansions later down the line.
We will provide these for any backers that have been supporting the game for the equivalent of the price of the expansions.

- Is there going to be a gallery / scene viewer?
There likely will be a way to access most if not all sex scenes from one place in the game, though there might be exceptions such as location specific scenes.

- What's in the next update?
As of right now we talked about how the game is going to look roughly in it's final form.
At this moment we are certain as to what will go into 0.2.0, anything that's further down the road is not set in stone yet.

- I am a supporter but I didn't receive the discord role, what do I do?
Make sure you have your patreon / subscribestar account linked to your discord account.

- Is the game coming to Steam?
Keep your eyes peeled!

- Will the game feature multiplayer?
Not in any foreseeable future.
(sidenote, multiplayer isn't even allowed at F95Zone).

- Is there a / is there going to be a save system?
Yes, it will be added when there is stuff to save.

- Is the game going to be a sandbox?
We want it to have a simple storyline and be a stealth / light puzzle game,
but we'd like for the player to be able to express themselves in the way they play, so it inherently introduces a "sandbox" element.

- When do public versions come out?
We give our backers an option to try new builds early on as a thank you for their support!
Those will usually become public around 2-4 weeks after the supporters try them, and we deem them representative of the game.
Some versions are early in development showcases that won't be available to the public.

- Will there be an android version / touch controls / linux version?
Mousetrap is supposed to be a PC game first and foremost, so we'd like to provide versions for windows and linux.
An android version might come at some point as an experiment, but it's most likely going to be too much to handle, supporting many devices is a lot of headache.
The web version will be available for as long as new builds work on it. The moment something is completely incompatible with the nature of WebGPU / WebGL 2 we will stop supporting it.

- Are you (Milkshake++ dev team) hiring?
Not at the moment, we will let everyone know if we need someone on the team.

- Is the game going to have mod support?
Yes, we'd love to allow for easy additions of user content into the game!

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I'm not a member from Milkshake++ team, i'm just a fan spreading informations about the game, if you have any questions, join directly at Milkshake's discord server, don't ask me.
 

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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

- Will there be sex on loss/caught?
We will not be adding "sex on loss" or "sex upon being caught" as it is considered non-con.
I'm supportive of whatever direction the devs choose to take (just hoping for Ratalie to take a lotta dicks :BootyTime:) but I was a little confused by the logic of 'sex on loss is considered non-con' as if it's by definition or something.

If Ratalie gets caught and she decides of her own volition to give the guard a blowjob, or seduce him with a quick assfuck; either to bribe him to release her, or to distract him in his post-nut fugue state so she can scarper away - it that really non-con? I personally think it's a really hot, consensual but tense scenario - a fair and steamy exchange - something both parties are agreeing to, in the spur of the moment.

From a game design perspective I get that they don't want sex on loss, so that scenario won't exist in this game, that's fine. But my pedantic self just wanted to say that it's not non-con by definition... it's only non-con if you make it non-con sex. If it's consensual sex, then it's consensual sex.

You as the creative have the creative freedom to create whatever you want, these things are not automatically prescribed by virtue of their gameplay context alone ;)
 

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- Will there be sex on loss/caught?
We will not be adding "sex on loss" or "sex upon being caught" as it is considered non-con.
However we are not responsible for any community mods that would add such features.
Binding / bondage upon being caught is a different topic.
This is to meet Patreon restrictions I assume? Only way it makes sense why they would say/do this. Kind of kills the mood for me, though. The entire premise of the game hinges on the tension of potentially getting caught and fucked. Otherwise the game will just be a 'wander around looking for the event triggers' simulator where the gameplay has no connection to the porn. Atleast there is the possibility of getting unwillingly put into bondage if you are caught, which apparently does not count as non-consensual sexual content because...? I'll keep an eye on the game to see what they do with it in the future.
 

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If Ratalie gets caught and she decides of her own volition to give the guard a blowjob, or seduce him with a quick assfuck; either to bribe him to release her, or to distract him in his post-nut fugue state so she can scarper away - it that really non-con?
Personally I would say it's dub-con at best, since the premise is still that she is captured when she makes that decision.
This is to meet Patreon restrictions I assume? Only way it makes sense why they would say/do this. Kind of kills the mood for me, though. The entire premise of the game hinges on the tension of potentially getting caught and fucked. Otherwise the game will just be a 'wander around looking for the event triggers' simulator where the gameplay has no connection to the porn. Atleast there is the possibility of getting unwillingly put into bondage if you are caught, which apparently does not count as non-consensual sexual content because...? I'll keep an eye on the game to see what they do with it in the future.
Take this with a pinch of salt, but I think it was at least implied the devs will make a mods for this themselves, maybe under different name, so it's not part of the game and tied to them directly. But I might be confusing it with another game and dev, not sure.
 

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I'm supportive of whatever direction the devs choose to take (just hoping for Ratalie to take a lotta dicks :BootyTime:) but I was a little confused by the logic of 'sex on loss is considered non-con' as if it's by definition or something.
We were thinking about it before, but it seemed like a lot of platforms are very vague when it comes to deciding what is non-con. So we are playing it safe on this front.

This is to meet Patreon restrictions I assume? Only way it makes sense why they would say/do this. Kind of kills the mood for me, though. The entire premise of the game hinges on the tension of potentially getting caught and fucked. Otherwise the game will just be a 'wander around looking for the event triggers' simulator where the gameplay has no connection to the porn. Atleast there is the possibility of getting unwillingly put into bondage if you are caught, which apparently does not count as non-consensual sexual content because...? I'll keep an eye on the game to see what they do with it in the future.
Someone would have to make a mod for it if you wanna see this sort of content in the game.
I bet that person would probably want to wait until more things are done to make a mod like that, otherwise it would probably be outdated by the next patch.

I do not condone this sort of mod-making behavior in any way, we should keep some basic decency when discussing erogames!!!
 

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We were thinking about it before, but it seemed like a lot of platforms are very vague when it comes to deciding what is non-con. So we are playing it safe on this front.


I'm not very versed in this topic and I'm not sure what is construed as "non-con". But wouldn't an idea like the protagonist accepting everything that happens beforehand negate the "non-con" issue?

For example let's say that a protagonist agrees to participate in a game or in a mission where it is specified beforehand that certain mistakes or shortcomings can have "bad" outcomes such as being tied up, humiliated, spanked, fucked, etc. Doesn't that mean that consent was given, even if the situations aren't exactly "liked" by the protagonist. I mean when u get a loan from a bank they tell u the conditions beforehand, but you still hate paying the rates.. :)
 
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I'm not very versed in this topic and I'm not sure what is construed as "non-con". But wouldn't an idea like the protagonist accepting everything that happens beforehand negate the "non-con" issue?

For example let's say that a protagonist agrees to participate in a game or in a mission where it is specified beforehand that certain mistakes or shortcomings can have "bad" outcomes such as being tied up, humiliated, spanked, fucked, etc. Doesn't that mean that consent was given, even if the situations aren't exactly "liked" by the protagonist. I mean when u get a loan from a bank they tell u the conditions beforehand, but you still hate paying the rates.. :)
Theoretically it could fly that way, if you framed it properly within the game, but you would still run the risk of one platform or another interpreting it differently and as a violation of their policy.
 
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