Well just because someone is kinky it doesn't mean they'd be into everything. Plenty of hardcore femdom games make scat, farts, piss and ntr/sharing optional because a lot of people aren't into it. But yeah this was sort of expected considering the list of planned tags. If you were looking for a traditional harem experience rather than an orgy like some people are in the thread then I think it's kinda clear they shouldn't have gotten their hopes up. Especially if you consider the planned "avoidable" ntr.
The NTR is moreso BSS because your love interest sisters fuck without your input and given that the dev only listed "avoidable ntr" and "nts" as planned tagged people thought such content would be completely optional with the default route being more like a harem.
As for the futa on male thing I don't really consider daz games because I was moreso referring to high quality games and I don't really count them because they're uncanny. You might be right in it being mainly just true in Koikatsu although I'd say the real most common pairing is futa x woman because whenever I see the futa tag in a koikatsu vn or vns in general I think that's the most common thing with it being a side fetish and not main to the actual game. Also if the number of games required to tilt the majority seems to be single digits then I'd say both of really niche fetishes with the less common one being more so.
I was mostly thinking of two games being "fantasy opposite" and "twisted world" in this sort of subgenre where the protagonist is a femboy type character and yet the game is focused on them taking more dominant roles although fantasy opposite does have futa on male it's optional and I believe you're able to do male on futa on those optional scenes usually. For Japanese Vns I noticed there's an entire subgenre of crossdressing male goes to an all girls school but he almost always takes the dominant position which I always thought was odd because you'd assume it would be the opposite.
It's funny because the dev seemingly (temporarily) removed one of the main fetishes for the game because of patreon rules and subscribestar activating his account. I wonder if he'll go back and change stuff for the subscribestar version if that gets approved.
Oh I see what you meant now, Oooo ok, yeah that's right there is a whole subgenre like that in japanese VNs. I think it may have originated from the fact that in eastern asian culture (to be more precise, korea, japan, china) having "feminine features" for a man is a sign of beauty and is actually quite valued. Don't ask me how they took that to a whole other lvl lol to end up with a femboy f1ck them all trope lol.
Ok hear me out, hear me out, I have a theory lol. When you play "straight AVN" or watch "straight p0rn" or whatever and you see a muscled man and his hairy ass looking at you dead in the eyes lol, you're telling me you don't get that uggh feeling lol. I mean some don't and it's totally ok, to each their own Ig.
Personally I get turned off by that, that's kinda why my favorite genre ever is Futa-on-female. Now if you have the same thing happening but with the man being a lot more "girly" it's a lot more watchable to me as I don't get that ick reflex I usually get lol.
In japan all girl schools are a lot more common than in the west. So authors prbbly thought it's a nice niche for a kink. Combine that with the fact that androgynous feature are a common beauty standard there satisfying both the male and female audiences.
But honestly no, I wouldn't expect the opposite, I mean it's basically a young horny boy going to an all girl school where there youg horny girls too. Now if maybe he wasn't lucky and encoutered a dominant girl right from the start who would use his inexperience and lack of confidence to dom him, that would be possible. The thing is, in most cases they are both inexperienced and are both discovering things together plus yk how exagerated everything is in japanese's p0rn industry lol.
Ofc he'd get to dom with maybe with 1-2 characters trying to blackmail him b4 they end up being f1cked silly and changing their mind.
Don't get me wring though it does happen too.
However, if it was a young boy going to an all futa school and he ends up domming there. Now THAT, would be a surprise
Unfortunately, most of them aren't in renpy so I don't bother playing them (without mentionning those who don't have a translation). That trope does exist but honestly most of the time when the game has futa as the main kink, or alteast with them taking as much space as girls. The dev almost always make them top without it being a choice.
Most of those follow this logic "if you are bigger, you're more dominant" lol. While I prefer the psychological side of things where the player would play on the fact that she's bigger to dominate her...
I mean it is to be expected but I love it when devs do the unexpected. I think this may be bc I like role reversal. And what's hotter than dominating a futa's whose penis is 3x your size lol.
Also duude wth is up with the size of his thing in fantasy opposite lol. How does his heart even pump enough blood for him to survive while he's hard lol
I don't think it rly counts as a femboy built MC but try Your place if you didn't alrdy, the plot's rly interesting and the potential is there. This what I mean by games with futa as a main kink or atleast them taking as much space as girls. This game perfectly portrays that.
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Movikx
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story looking great, keep going without rushing H scenes, nice teasing and im sure this will be a great game
Yeah it's definitely a fetish lmao. I remember playing this regular straight harem angel VN but in the first sex scene the protagonist had a dick that looked to be like 15 inches and I just laughed out loud and couldn't take it seriously.
If you're playing a straight VNs you're self inserting as the dude and completely ignoring him in sex scenes or just envisioning it as your body. I don't really think your explanation makes much sense because straight dudes aren't focusing on the manas an individual in those scenes at all and focusing on the dude pushes it towards bisexuality which you'd think would make it really niche and not a seemingly popular subgenre. As for "young horny boy goes to all girl school" you can easily write that without crossdressing and I'm pretty sure there's a quite a few of those VNs.
Anyways we're probably veering too far off topic.
pretty much my reaction, don't really mind if the girls hook up with each other but going from onori and MC playing in the river or eri playing video games naked to Yui straight up doing the deed with her little sister in the middle of the night is some massive whiplash
SoleProprieter
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Damn, I really liked the way the story is going so far. I hope the dev doesn't completely rewrite Yui's stuff because some players took an obvious futa incest orgy game as a wholesome romance vn.
I Hope/would appreciate the rewrite since he did say stuff was going to be optional
Majordeathwish
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Yeah it's bs that it's not optional. You spend all this time learning about the characters and becoming attached to them then boom turns out they were all fucking the whole time and they are all masters at keeping the secret until they inexplicably fuck up and the mc finds out. Not only should it be optional, in the context of the story it makes no sense.
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Except why would it be optional, it's an action completely out of the player characters control. It's an interaction between two other characters without your input, both of whom you have basically just met. Taking this scene as ntr is just weird, you still barely know them. Those two have had years to develop their relationship. You have barely known them a month. It is also obvious that they had stopped having sex for a while, as the older sister was trying to better herself. However, her constant sexual gaffs with Riko caused her to get pent up, and Yui exploited that, knowing her sisters weaknesses. It makes perfect sense if you pay attention to the way the characters interact, so much so that I was expecting some kind of sexual interaction between the two.
If people's problem is just tags, fine, add NTR, BSS, Sharing, whatever. Just don't rewrite the story because some people can't handle a girl they aren't even involved with romantically having a prior relationship.
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It's not the tags it's the content of the story. The inclusion of the personality mechanics imply that there will be different routes where events can go down differently, which makes this event make no sense so early in the story as it should be an event down a submissive or voyeur route. I have no problem with the event if it was in it's own route which seems to be the way is going to go, but having it this soon in the story feels like a massive blunder on the devs part. It could totally be reworked into the beginning of a submissive route but you would have to make a dominant route as well. Having the first sex scene in the game not include the main character is a huge smoke signal that the game will continue to trend down this path, which is fine, just don't have the personality system allude to having a completely different set of events that change based on what you spec into.
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I actually agree with you there. I'm kind of hoping there are few routes, because in my experience every time an indie dev attempts a story with multiple highly different routes, they end up abandoning the project (Especially if it's their first major project). My hope was that the personality page thing was mostly a riff on videogame stuff, and that there wouldn't really end up being actual routes, just one main story line with choosable love interests that is otherwise mostly fixed. 8 fully fleshed out love interests with multiple routes based on theme as well feels like a hell of a lot to do for a first attempt.
I agree though, if he does end up pushing for the multiple route angle, that interaction should take place down one of them, not in the prologue.
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I believe this hits the nail on the head. It's definitely something that needed a lot more build up.
I think the problem is that the dev is clearly trying to do a slow burn game which is good but if he followed through on such a thing it would mean the game would be without sex scenes for a while which is bad because the players wouldn't know what sort of quality to expect from sex scenes. I remember Lessons in Love tried to avoid this by having a dream scene right at the start of the game and the dev could have done this but he seemingly opted for a voyeur/bss scene.
I like when games pace sex and romance well especially when they put effort into their scenes and poses but with speed this game gets updated and the amount of content in each update it does seem like a game you'll have to check out once a year to have any sizable amount of content and progress in relationships. I'm also curious about the dev's plans because I believe he said he wrote the entire story ahead of time so I wonder how he planned to pace it or did he maybe not expect updates to take so long.
My impression is less that the dev is angling for a "slow burn" game as much as a game of contrasts. The main dynamic seems to be frying Riko's shy brain by going from cute SoL and seemingly innocent things and then turning them very kinky and sexual with a touch of nonsense.
This kind of setup to the scenes is thematically cohesive with the whole "futa loli" aesthetics because part of the appeal of that is the sheer shock of going from "aww look at this adorable cute girl" to "my god she has a huge cock".
My prediction is that in the early parts of the story, the cute SoL stuff will be used to build up the familial bonds of Riko with the rest of the family while the sexual stuff will be a bit of an "open-secret" tease, basically Riko is too shy to ever bring it up, the girls won't tell him directly because they don't want to freak him out and it is better to let him figure things out at his own pace.
Then the turning point of the story will be when the cute SoL stuff culminates on Riko really feeling welcomed and like "part of the family" with his "older sisters" and then the sexual stuff advances with Riko coming to terms with the fact that the family he is now a part of is indeed a very loving one, but also they are all very kinky in different ways and nothing is stopping the incest shenanigans.
Onori playing with Riko in the river was half an ambush to get him naked, and then she spent half their playtime teasing him until she got to grope his butt and they both got hard and then she measured dicks with him.
I still defend my point that the "whiplash" is half of the kink the dev is going for, but I think there are plenty of hints in the game that the characters are very much into sex, they just don't want to freak Riko out.
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