Command & Conquer type? I cant get this out of my head whenever I read these sentences.
My understanding on the false choice is that it is there to give the scene one last ounce of plausibility as not being full-on rape, even if very much into the "dubious consent" territory. The scene simply won't move forward until Riko says "yes", so that the audience can know that on some level he isn't opposed to it, even if Onori is overstepping a lot of boundaries to get there and being super disrespectful towards Riko's autonomy.
At least that's my interpretation looking through the lenses that I don't consider any of the ingame choices as being there "for the player", I still see this game being a linear story so I see any choices presented as being merely storytelling gimmicks. But I can understand how someone expecting the choices in this game to matter more from a roleplay perspective could take the false choice as being more about Onori grinding down Riko until he is forced to "yes" even if he truly doesn't want to on any level.
I'm not super fond of content that isn't consensual, but I figure that's just what the game is doing for this moment in the story.
Riko is a mostly submissive pushover, it is really hard for him to do anything unless someone pushes him into it. And on the other side both Yui and Onori are still immature people when it comes to their sexuality so they kind of don't know better than just trying to get what they want "the easy way" (and there might also be a whole element of "futa super-libido" thing going on). This combination leads into both of them just skirting around Riko's consent because it ends up being easier for all parties involved (Yui and Onori get to relieve everything they have pent-up for Riko, and Riko gets to avoid taking responsibility for his own naughty wants and desires), even if it is not a good basis for a healthy relationship.
My main hopes are that the story won't push much farther than this in the non-con department and that it will start resolving in a direction that manages to progress sexual content while also recovering and increasing the levels of consent involved. I think with Yui that can be done mostly with just character growth from the parties involved.
Onori needs correction though, which I could see coming from either Suzuki stepping in, or an ego-check coming from a Yui that is backing up Riko (note that Onori was really insistent on trying to claim the role of being "the first dick Riko tasted" and asking him how was his "first time tasting semen" during the beach scene...except he had already done both of those things with Yui. Combine that with the possibility that in the future an Yui that is getting her relief with Riko won't be sexually manipulated by Onori and I could see both of those things being leveraged to convince Onori that she ain't all that and she needs to fix her attitude regarding consent if she wants to be allowed to participate in any sexual things with them)
But also my understanding is that the main cast is divided in pairs for the story development, Onori + Yui is one side, Suzuki + Eri is the other one, since the next update is about Suzuki maybe this other half of the main-story will see some development and maybe it will be higher on the consent department.
I'd sooner expect this as extra incentive for Onori to make sure she's the one who takes Riko's other "firsts", whether he likes it or not.
(and if Yui doesn't want to play because Riko gets her off, well, this just means Onori needs to firmly establish who gets to play in her house, and who is just a pathetic femboy toy to be played with)
Idk what y'all yappin about but Game dev is cooking good.
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I hope that's not the real reason, because doing it to string along his patreon subs for longer is a much less repectable decision than just having a favorite.
Yeah I can't really agree with this interpretation. It may be that was the author's intent, but if so he completely and utterly failed to get it across in the work. Onori merely comes off as a possessive bully rapist. There is no giving that scene "plausibility". She immobilized him, then forced her cock in his mouth, despite his protests. That is about the most cut and dry example of rape you can have. The fact that he enjoyed it during does nothing to ameliorate the reality that Onori did this with no hesitation, second thoughts, or remorse. Explicitly after he asked her to stop touching him sexually too. This makes her completely irredeemable for me. There is a reason making your villain a rapist is considered lazy writing, it's because it's an easy way to make the majority of consumers dislike them wholeheartedly. The same has happened here for Onori with me. There is no improving her character for me anymore, she has crossed the line already. I will not be engaging with her storyline further.
Yui wasn't as bad for me because he was not restrained, trapped, or physically threatened. He could have chosen not to allow it to continue, and didn't because he was into it.
I really hope Yui isn't paired up with Onori permanently like you say, because that would mean I will miss out on her entire storyline too, and double the number of dead patches I have to wait through.
I'm not defending what Onori did or the scene as a whole, just what I think was the intent behind the "false choice". In a game with more meaningful choices and player freedom a "rug pull" moment with a false choice can be used to really drive home a feeling of complete helplessness and despair on the player, but I don't think that was the dev's intent here with that, but instead to showcase that Onori won't push past a certain point if Riko isn't even at least a little bit agreeable (the player is forced to eventually pick that option if they want to continue playing the game, but Riko's character could have just pouted and refused to open his mouth and things wouldn't go any further than that, Onori hasn't been violent or outright cruel to him and neither of those are things Riko actually fears Onori would do to him).
And while I have issues with how it is presented, I think the dev means to show Riko's veiled agreeability in the fact he keeps going back to hanging out with the girls even after they scale things sexually without his explicit consent. I think this was better presented with Yui in the way Riko would repeatedly put himself in the position where he appeared to be napping in Yui's bed despite knowing what she did to him then. This is much more muddy with Onori because Riko doesn't really know what she is going to do, but at this point he would have to expect that she would try to do something and, considering you need to do Yui's bukkake scene before being able to do Onori's beach scene (one of the ways their routes are paired up), Riko had already gone and repeatedly and purposefully put himself in a position where he knew things would be done to him without his explicit consent, so there is some willingness in that act, even if he isn't fully aware or comfortable with his feelings.
But yeah, Onori is rotten, and she is being further spoiled with how she keeps getting to have her way with Yui and Riko by just doubling down on being pushy, which is why to me it makes the most sense that there will eventually be some kind of reckoning moment that makes her grow as a character and become a better person. As much as she might be the "villain" of the early story, this is still a slice-of-life comedy, at the end of the day I don't expect the story to shoot for anything other than the characters facing their flaws and growing as people as they deepen their bonds, even the "mean" ones, as tacky as it may sound.
There is some Onori favoritism going on right now for sure, but my hope is that a lot of it comes down to the fact that the dev wants Onori's scenes to be the ones that flirt the most with non-con content due to her being the "domineering" character, and that content has way more "bite" early in the story while the characters are relatively immature and Riko is very unsure about his own feelings, later on they will probably start settling their relationship and establishing real boundaries they both will respect and Onori's content will turn more proper CNC. At least that's my hope to explain why Onori got so much content ahead of the other characters.
Also just to be clear, while Onori is ahead in terms of "relationship level", she feels extra developed because she also already got a side-character introduced that is linked only to her in Aiko, and Yui's relationship level 3 scene (the Yui x Onori scene) was pretty much hijacked from Yui's route to set up the Yui + Onori branch of the main story, while all of Onori's scenes have been entirely about herself. Digressing a bit, but I do think that scene did a good job of setting up the linked plot of both characters, it introduced both Yui's mindless nympho state when she's pent up and also showed that Onori fucks, so as much she had been pushy and gropey with Riko up to that point, she was holding back and it foreshadowed that things would scale in intensity. Their plots are linked in the way that Yui denies her libido to an unhealthy extent while Onori indulges in it to an unhealthy extent.
All of this just to offer a different perspective and say that I have high hopes for this game, I don't think it will turn into "Onori fucks everyone and turns the entire family into her harem through the power of rape". But I understand if it went too far and made itself unenjoyable to others. It is not difficult to pick this game apart if it stopped being enjoyable.
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I can see how you interpreted it this way, it just isn't presented well enough to actually pull that idea off. That on top of the slow pace of development and completely lackluster "game" part of the game (I mean, he should really dispense with the affection grind, map, and time system entirely and just make it a kinetic novel at this point, as none of the systems do anything but waste your time), it's incredibly difficult to continue to have optimism for the story for me. It seems like Onori's side will just be the standard fucked and cucked by your bully futa sister to me, I have no hope for this reckoning you are talking about. It is interesting the continuing to hang out part though, since I will definitely not let riko continue to do that, as I said. Her route is effectively done for me here. This could kill Yui and Aiko for me too, depending on how intertwined the dev insists those two be. If I am forced to continue it at some point for one of the characters I actually played for, Suzuki and Eri, I'll just cheat or skip past it to get back to the routes I like, assuming any of the rest of them are competent enough to keep me around. And that the game picks up the pace enough to be worth keeping track of anymore. Because to be honest, the speed of development is one of the worst I've seen on a game that isn't outright abandoned, besides literal scams anyway. Like, 10 actual minutes of content with an annoying amount of filler grind after the last time I played is ludicrous, I can't believe anyone pays him for this.
It's not, she is heavily supported for subs and the dev also likes her which has been said in discord previously.
The mother was always going to be last in this batch of updates, the dev announced it ages ago as it fit the story the dev is cooking better.
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Good then. I didn't put much stock in the post I replied to there, but Onori just being his favorite is a better reason. Still sucks for me, but at least it isn't for greed.
I have to disagree with this, because regardless of intentions behind the false choice mechanics, it also shows us that if Riko would have just pouted and refused Onori would have him sit there buried in the sand until he "gave consent".
And i'd also argue that fully facefucking someone without even asking or probing if they'd be okay with that (which is what things devolve into) is getting pretty violent, alright.
It also shows that Onori is secretly a robot and she will loop through the same 3 lines of dialogue if things ever go off-course.
Alternatively
"It has been 2 days now, Onori and Riko have been locked in a stalemate. Neither of them will budge and no one can understand how they continue to endure. Both have been exposed to the elements, without food or water, and Onori has somehow sustained an erection the whole time without passing out. A missing person's report has been filled and the authorities are looking for them, hopefully this will finally end this conflict and return the two of them to safety."
Jokes aside, this story would have a much darker tone if we were to assume Onori would actually leave Riko trapped in the sand for a long period of time and refuse to let him go until he sucked her off. I know I'm taking an optimistic approach in my interpretation, but I can't picture the characters being that cruel or the story that dark.
Onori is absolutely abusing and taking advantage of the fact Riko is so conflict-averse and can't strongly tell her off, but in the hypothetical scenario where things genuinely froze, my head-canon is that she would only try to insist for a few minutes, but then give up and let him go while throwing a few insults or making up bullshit excuses to cover her own bruised ego. Of course then things would get very cold and bitter between the two of them and the story would completely cease to be fun, so obviously we won't actually see that play out in a light-hearted porn game.
Eh, she first worked Riko into willingly giving head on his own, + she only pushed half of her dick in, + porn-logic and Riko was fine at the end of it. I understand but I don't think the scene was framed to appeal as violent, maybe a bit intense but not physically hurtful.
But like I said before, this game is not hard to pick apart if you aren't enjoying it. It is comedy + porn + animu, I cannot think of a more unholy trinity of a setting to not be very serious about consent issues and other problematic things. I just maintain my case that the story doesn't feel like it is aiming to be malicious or push a narrative condoning Onori's attitude, it takes a bit of a generous interpretation but I think things are still being put in place for a more wholesome turnaround.
I know this is just more optimism on my side, but while I think the game will remain linear and so one could argue that all the systems are fundamentally just time wasters, I do think the sandbox exploration element can eventually become a "fun" time-waster.
Not in its current incarnation as you definitely just have to do some unfun grinding of the same generic repeatable events, but if the game eventually manages to populate the sandbox with a lot more mini-events you can find while exploring that reward you with affection points and self-improvement EXP, in a way that it makes you feel like you are cleverly routing your way through the game and "outsmarting" it to avoid the grind, then I could see it being a bit of a fun gameplay experience, even if functionally it is still padding.
Honestly idk, I definitely wish the dev could be faster (I'm excited for every update), but doesn't feel that much slower than the average, and if nothing else they have been rock-solid consistent with delivering on the promised dates. There are a lot of games that have promised the moon and had amazing and fast updates early in development (which I suspect is the dev already having done a lot of work in the background before even launching their first public build) which then slows to a crawl, starts missing deadlines, having longer delays, cutting out features, etc and that to me ends up being a million times more frustrating.
I can appreciate a dev that is just making a simpler game at a consistent pace.
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Yeah, you are definitely way more optimistic and generous about this game than I am, both in scene interpretation and development leeway. That scene was quite violently framed imo, the only way to make it less subtle would be for her to threaten him with a weapon, since remaining buried up to the neck in sand can quite easily suffocate someone by restricting their diaphragm if the sand becomes wet or shifts, and that is without a crazy rapist jamming a cock down their throat for good measure.
I don't see the dev ever adding enough side events to make it feel less like a grind, since he can't even add enough main events to make the game go anywhere. Adding side events would also break linearity, as he would either have to require you see all of them for the story to make sense, or make them so unimportant as to not matter at all, turning them into more filler.
As for the pace of development, he is slower than every other game I follow by a wide margin (sfw and h-game), but maybe I don't follow as many slow devs as you do. I certainly wouldn't call this average, but it's hard to determine an average when 99% of games never get finished at all.
Funny thing about this is, Onori was actually my favourite character, but this last update push it too far for me in the way you are saying, a shame because as you said, if it stayed playful it would've been fun, but yeah, it is far to close ot, if not just rape for me to like her now
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I'm sort of with manscout on this. I'm generally hella allergic towards situations and characters that are forceful and refuse to give an option to their victims, but there's definitely an underlying psychological push-and-pull thing going on between Riko and Onori.
And given that we know that Riko's "lewd self" isn't really that established, I view it as something he is interested in given his behaviour but that he simply doesn't realize it fully yet. I kind of figure Onori to be a catalyst for the "lewd self" to start appearing more.
But I can definitely see that there's a hard line being crossed for a lot of people.
And given that we know that Riko's "lewd self" isn't really that established, I view it as something he is interested in given his behaviour but that he simply doesn't realize it fully yet. I kind of figure Onori to be a catalyst for the "lewd self" to start appearing more.
But I can definitely see that there's a hard line being crossed for a lot of people.
Personally I like it so far. The chosen "graphics" so to speak is one of those I like for these type of games so that's a plus for me and while there isn't that much content yet, what I have seen so far made me interested unlike many other games I have played that had similar amount of it.
Basically the only complaint I have right now is that the MC is too much of a little bitch. I can understand having trouble dealing with the tomboy sister, these types of personalities are very difficult to deal with unless you are similar or at least are very outgoing but to not even be able to speak with the weird little sister in the hallway, knock on her door etc. that's just way too much imo, especially when you further progress the relationship.
Not being able to take a bath when mom is in the bathroom is somewhere in the middle on the scale for me mostly because I understand that the mc would consider it very embarrassing but cmon dude...you bathed with her almost at the beginning, it wont get more embarrassing than that
I am hoping that when the dev fleshes out the whole personality "growth" system it will allow us (those who want it) to solve this issue.
Basically the only complaint I have right now is that the MC is too much of a little bitch. I can understand having trouble dealing with the tomboy sister, these types of personalities are very difficult to deal with unless you are similar or at least are very outgoing but to not even be able to speak with the weird little sister in the hallway, knock on her door etc. that's just way too much imo, especially when you further progress the relationship.
Not being able to take a bath when mom is in the bathroom is somewhere in the middle on the scale for me mostly because I understand that the mc would consider it very embarrassing but cmon dude...you bathed with her almost at the beginning, it wont get more embarrassing than that
I am hoping that when the dev fleshes out the whole personality "growth" system it will allow us (those who want it) to solve this issue.
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How has it taken me this long to find this game? It's SO SO SO up my alley!!