Wow, another cuckfest in which the MC already has a girlfriend, he doesn't anything bad but out of nowhere an idiot NPC appears and magically turns him into a cuck, but of course, everything is avoidable... It is incredible that there are no other projects with this plot...
And that would be the stupidest thing possible, it is clear that the game is a cuckfest, making an avoidable "path" would be ridiculous.
It's not that I don't like the photos, I made them it's that you used snipping tool and cut them but hey, I get it and I'm not upset, you used what you had.
To clarify, it's not something I'm saying that I'm waffling on whether or not to do. There isn't a decision to be made yet. If a lot of people want it, I'll do it. And by a lot of people, I mean my patrons and subscribers or people who buy the game on Itch. I'm not going to write alternate paths into the game to satisfy the whims of people who don't like games like this on here. I'll explain my decisions and while the bough may bend, it won't break.
It would be fairly easy for me to adjust the screenplay to add in a non-NTR route, but like I said, I'm only going to do it if it's something the people who are paying for are scrambling for. I'd put all the effort that work deserves into that route but it wouldn't alter anything I've already done. It'd be like putting another brick onto a brick wall.
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Okay, since my original post seemed a bit to offensive and maybe a bit to direct to handle for the dev (or to complicated since his brain only picked up a few single words without my context), i'll make a simpler version. I'll put the original into the spoiler above so he doesn't have to see the bad baaaad words anymore and for more open minded people to read. Thx for your understanding.
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Dear Dev,
I'd like to tell you once more, that I take interest in your game. From what you wrote in your kind, clear and informative answer, I can see that your magic fingers might create a wonderful non-NTR Route in which you will put in all the effort it deserves, which makes me really happy to hear. A slight shadow draws near though, as I noticed that this will only be possible if enough people with individual traits and expressions tell you that they "really, reaaaaaally want a non‑NTR path."
It saddens me to say that this might not be achievable under these circumstances. I mean, people aren't just a homogenous glob, but some themes in a game naturally tend to be stronger than others. Therefore, I was inclined to ask you, dear Dev, if you could still consider adding the non‑NTR route to the game even if there are a few fewer voices than you had hoped for until your infinite creativity brings this lovely new route to life for all of us to enjoy.
My support would be with you, of course. I'd be feel honored to be spoken to by you again and receive a positive answer.
Thank you for your oh-so hard work, stay safe, and above all: have fun.
Somebody sounds like they love they love the idea of the game.
That's sharing/swinging?
It's not that I don't like the photos, I made them it's that you used snipping tool and cut them but hey, I get it and I'm not upset, you used what you had.
I guess you could call it sharing. I personally consider it more like hotwifing. Like the mc watching and being excited seeing his LI with another man and her knowing he's watching for example.
You're putting a bit to much unnessecary thoughts in my comment, i think. It's not about satisfying some whims of people.
I simply showed you my interest in exactly for what you asked for, a non-NTR route in addition to the rest of the game how you planned it, since if nobody's writing something like this you wouldn't know if there's interest after all. That's all... and yes, maybe i poked you a little in your side with no i'll intend though, for using the usual bait phrase in OP (this came from your itch after all) of the possiblity to prevent the NTR since this isn't planned right now as you stated. You'll have to excuse me but, seen from a players perspective who'd like to do exactly that in some form or another to fullfill his NTR tastes, you may understand that this little poke felt justified for me as lot of devs do that. So, i'm not saying this on a just on a whim... I indeed am interested in games like this on here. Otherwise we both wouldn't have this conversation right now. My mission here is just to confirm, if my kind of NTR can be served to me here or not (it seems like your game potentially can,...). The problem is that you don't make this mission easy for me since you rather make a wonky deal out of it (...but on very unlikely conditions.):
I'm the one putting in too much unnecessary thought?
If you allow, some of my critique and thoughts:
You say it would be easy for to implement the non-NTR route, start wit a project that starts out only with NTR route in mind, therefore setting/attracting your target audience and expect that they raise their voice for something while they already get what they want? I doubt that the NTR community would do that favor for those people who take their NTR-desire out of the feeling to protect/keep a potential Love interest.
I don't expect anyone to do anything. But hey, since you're a guy who uses terms like "NTR community", it's clear you're seeing people as homogenous globs with no individual traits and wants and expressions who doesn't get that just because somebody likes one thing, they might also like another. But hey, since you took the time to write such a big post, I'll humour you.
On the other hand you expect those who want that (like me as example) to spend/invest money in you and your game in the hope we reach some kind of a not yet even set invisible goal/milestone that we can't even see or proove that it exists to get the non-NTR route.
I certainly don't expect anything from you. If you want to support me, be a patron. If you don't, then don't. It's as simple as that.
I'd be inclined to support if i'd knew my investment is on par with the expectation i have rather than to hope to get what i expect when maybe enough people like me take the same risk to reach the "goal" or to be at the mercy of the already satisfied NTR community your game attracts to take pitty on us and allow you to do that route for us.
And I certainly am not taking pity on you and you're not at anybody's mercy. You're on a piracy porn site, not the gallows. This talk about "enough people like me" as if you're some fucking minority reeks of wanting affirmative action on porn. Guess what, I like NTR and I like non-NTR and lots of people do too.
Your reasoning to not implement, what you said yourself, would be fairly easy just then to ask for something like i said above which is most likely impossible (Ivestment->high Risk-> low chance) doesn't sound good. It's your game, is it not? To take into account what the community wants is one thing (saw you tried that in your dracula game too). But in the end it's still you who should know best (and decide) what you want to do with your game.
The NTR community wouldn't even lose anything from their route which you had already planned from the start for them even if you go for adding in the non-NTR route, if i understood correctly.
It's as simple as this: there is no fucking "NTR community", there's only people here to jerk off and if the people who will be paying for the game decide they want a different route to jack it to, then it is something that I am willing to consider adding in for them.
Nobody's expecting anything from anybody, nobody's asking you to be at their mercy, nobody's taking pity on you.
I guess you could call it sharing. I personally consider it more like hotwifing. Like the mc watching and being excited seeing his LI with another man and her knowing he's watching for example.
If you don't have any current plans for a Non-NTR route, can we at least rid of the romance tag and the ambiguous "Can you get through this Summer with your girlfriend? Or will you lose her for good?" if/when you get ownership of the thread?
Did... you really get offended by my post in any way? No sarcasm, i'm asking because in my eyes i didn't write anything that bad to deserve that, but okay i guess.
And yes, i wrote that much because i cared about my questions and i strongly believed that me talking to you can be done in a civil and mature way and at the end i have my information and we can close this talk normaly and are both happy. If something i wrote made you upset, you could have said so in a normal manner and i would have rephrased or explained better or something like that. Wouldn't have been a problem at all since i wasn't intending to start beef with you, just to get that out of the way. But seems you already threw that out of the window.
homogenous globs? No, I don't see people like that. I chose "NTR community" because NTR would still be (most likely) the more dominant demand of your playerbase, that doesn't automatically exclude the subgenres of NTR, anything else, or put them all into one glob as you called it. Theres no need to exaggerate like this. It was very clear what i meant and the Traits and expressions of every individual person weren't a part of it, hence i took a broader term. hope that's enough to clear this up, although it's a bit sad that this homogenous glob thing was the only thing of worth you took out of this part.
Ah yes... from this point on you just turn my words around ignoring the rest. Support you after how you lash out at me for absolute no reason? You gotta be joking...
Also i didn't say you take pity on me, wherever you did get that from. You're pretty fixated on single words i used, i'm amazed. You don't have to take everything so literally. A person who plays for the NTR probably wouldn't want you to waste time on the Non-NTR route. Of course if you have a person who likes both they maybe would, i won't deny that. But i doubt that's much the case here. Make a Poll. Here, on patreon and on your discord and you'll see what i mean. And then ask again why i say something like "enough people like me". You never saw a pie chart in your life? If we have a theme and know the exact numbers of the theme we can detect minor groups and major ones. Mindblowing i know, but wait there's more. If we'd take Tags and themes this game will have there will bigger and smaller Parts. They don't take into account everyones personal traits and expressions either, so don't throw words like "homogenous glob" my way just because i probably named one of the bigger ones.
But since you like to turn around words so much, i have one for you:
"there's only people here to jerk off and if the people who will be paying for the game decide they want a different route to jack it to, then it is something that I am willing to consider adding in for them."
So you say everyone playing your game is and thinks the same. No individual thinking, no different personal tastes from one to another, there is no one in a minority/majority everyone is fine with every opinion, They all just want to jack off to something. How did you call that again, homogenous glob?
You probably didn't mean it like that and neither did i in my earlier post when i used "NTR community". So stop framing people in a wrong way just because you can't take a simple word.
It's as simple as this: there is no fucking "NTR community" Ah yes, good one... Let's just say i disagree with that wholeheartedly, dumbest thing i've heard this year so far.
You're way to full of yourself, not even able to take the slighest bit of critique. Maybe keep the "humouring" for yourself if you don't plan to confront the argument and instead dodging everything in a childish manner.
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So, still no Poll? Why that? Does someone know that the poll would have prooven the point i gave above right. Seems your bark is worse than your bite, as always with dudes like you.
To clarify, it's not something I'm saying that I'm waffling on whether or not to do. There isn't a decision to be made yet. If a lot of people want it, I'll do it. And by a lot of people, I mean my patrons and subscribers or people who buy the game on Itch. I'm not going to write alternate paths into the game to satisfy the whims of people who don't like games like this on here. I'll explain my decisions and while the bough may bend, it won't break.
It would be fairly easy for me to adjust the screenplay to add in a non-NTR route, but like I said, I'm only going to do it if it's something the people who are paying for are scrambling for. I'd put all the effort that work deserves into that route but it wouldn't alter anything I've already done. It'd be like putting another brick onto a brick wall.
Look, I understand that you “think” that, but I’ve never seen a writer just decide to add something and it magically working. Writing and directions is hard, that’s why shows and programming with 10-20 man writing teams can get it wrong too. So when you say “don’t worry, it’s just like adding a brick into the wall” it makes me wary.
That’s like Quinten Tarantino writing a family friendly Pulp Fiction. A story designed one way can’t just decide to make a story another way on whim, at least in my opinion.
But if you think you can do what millions others have failed at, be my guest and good luck!
I just want the MC to have a revenge route bro, just ruin all these fuckers lives. Not be some pathetic beta bitch, Just hope the MC is not a pure dense retard like the original game.
Did... you get offended by my post in any way? No sarcasm, i'm honestly asking because in my eyes i didn't write anything that bad to deserve that, but okay i guess.
And yes, i wrote that much because i cared about my questions and i strongly believed that me talking to you can be done in a civil and mature way and at the end i have my information and we can close this talk normaly and are both happy. If something i wrote made you upset, you could have said so in a normal manner and i would have rephrased or explained better or something like that. Wouldn't have been a problem at all since i wasn't intending to start beef with you, just to get that out of the way. But seems you already threw that out of the window.
homogenous globs? No, I don't see people like that. You're on this forum since 2017 and i'm pretty sure you know how NTR threads here can be. I chose "NTR community" because NTR would still be (most likely) the more dominant demand of your playerbase, that doesn't automatically exclude the subgenres of NTR, anything else, or put them all into one glob as you called it. Theres no need to exaggerate like this. It was very clear what i meant and the Traits and expressions of every individual person weren't a part of it, hence i took a broader term. hope that's enough to clear this up, although it's a bit sad that this homogenous glob thing was the only thing of worth you took out of this part.
Ah yes... from this point on you just turn my words around ignoring the rest.
Also i didn't say YOU take pity on me, wherever you did get that from. You're pretty fixated on single words i used, i'm amazed. You don't have to take everything so literally. A person who plays for the NTR probably wouldn't want you to waste time on the Non-NTR route. Of course if you have a person who likes both they maybe would, i won't deny that. But i doubt that's much the case here. Make a Poll. Here, on patreon and on your discord and you'll see what i mean. And then ask again why i say something like "enough people like me". You never saw a pie chart in your life? If we have a theme and know the exact numbers of the theme we can detect minor groups and major ones. Mindblowing i know, but wait there's more. If we'd take Tags and themes this game will have there will bigger and smaller Parts. They don't take into account everyones personal traits and expressions either, so don't throw words like "homogenous glob" my way just because i probably named one of the bigger ones.
But since you like to turn around words so much, i have one for you:
"there's only people here to jerk off and if the people who will be paying for the game decide they want a different route to jack it to, then it is something that I am willing to consider adding in for them."
So you say everyone playing your game is and thinks the same. No individual thinking, no different personal tastes from one to another, there is no one in a minority/majority everyone is fine with every opinion, They all just want to jack off to something. How did you call that again, homogenous glob?
You probably didn't mean it like that and neither did i in my earlier post when i used "NTR community". So stop framing people in a wrong way just because you can't take a simple word.
It's as simple as this: there is no fucking "NTR community" Ah yes, good one... Let's just say i disagree with that wholeheartedly, but i don't want to change your view on this. That's not my problem to solve. I might have been wrong to think we could talk normaly with each other.
Honestly bro, if you care about my game so much that you're willing to write miniature essays about it to debate the use of single words and logical fallacies, then subscribe or be my patron. But if you want to talk normally with somebody, then how about you do just that next time?
All I have to say to you is this: if the people who are paying to support me want a route, then I am willing to consider adding it.
If you have a problem with that, I don't really care because you're not paying to support me.
Look, I understand that you “think” that, but I’ve never seen a writer just decide to add something and it magically working. Writing and directions is hard, that’s why shows and programming with 10-20 man writing teams can get it wrong too. So when you say “don’t worry, it’s just like adding a brick into the wall” it makes me wary.
That’s like Quinten Tarantino writing a family friendly Pulp Fiction. A story designed one way can’t just decide to make a story another way on whim, at least in my opinion.
But if you think you can do what millions others have failed at, be my guest and good luck!
I wrote a response to you detailing exactly why I could do it but I deleted it. If your analogy is Pulp Fiction, a movie that had a crew of hundreds, instead of a VN which failed, then I don't see the point in discussing this with you. I could bring up VNs that failed to add additional routes with you, I could bring up some which successfully did so as well. But it doesn't matter, not really, because nobody is demanding something like this of me.
I just want the MC to have a revenge route bro, just ruin all these fuckers lives. Not be some pathetic beta bitch, Just hope the MC is not a pure dense retard like the original game.
I wrote a response to you detailing exactly why I could do it but I deleted it. If your analogy is Pulp Fiction, a movie that had a crew of hundreds, instead of a VN which failed, then I don't see the point in discussing this with you. I could bring up VNs that failed to add additional routes with you, I could bring up some which successfully did so as well. But it doesn't matter, not really, because nobody is demanding something like this of me.
To start, I wasn’t being critical or rude to you, so I don’t understand the attitude in “I see no reason to discuss this with you”
Pulp Fiction was not written by hundreds, it was smaller in scope.
The movie was written by two people, with most of it being written by one. But that wasn’t even my point, my point was that even someone with the esteem and focus that a director like Quinton Tarantino couldn’t just add something because someone asked for it.
Lastly, I’m aware that people wouldn’t ask, but I just said it to encourage your current vision. I wasn’t holding you down and forcing you to do it. The most critical thing i said was I don’t think you could simply write it in as just another brick in a wall. That’s not a critique as it is a proven fact that those things don’t usually work out on a whim. I could write something like that too, doesn’t mean it’ll be any good.
To start, I wasn’t being critical or rude to you, so I don’t understand the attitude in “I see no reason to discuss this with you”
Pulp Fiction was not written by hundreds, it was smaller in scope.
The movie was written by two people, with most of it being written by one. But that wasn’t even my point, my point was that even someone with the esteem and focus that a director like Quinton Tarantino couldn’t just add something because someone asked for it.
Lastly, I’m aware that people wouldn’t ask, but I just said it to encourage your current vision. I wasn’t holding you down and forcing you to do it. The most critical thing i said was I don’t think you could simply write it in as just another brick in a wall. That’s not a critique as it is a proven fact that those things don’t usually work out on a whim. I could write something like that too, doesn’t mean it’ll be any good.
Look, I'm sorry if I was rude, I'm running on a few hours of sleep here.
But quite frankly, I wouldn't be doing it on a whim. Everything would be planned. Think of it like this, the screenplay I've written is immutable. Nothing would change. Writing in this new route would be akin to making DLC for it and I'd be able to keep my release schedule intact simply by making the proper adjustments while working when needed.
Honestly bro, if you care about my game so much that you're willing to write miniature essays about it to debate the use of single words and logical fallacies, then subscribe or be my patron. But if you want to talk normally with somebody, then how about you do just that next time?
All I have to say to you is this: if the people who are paying to support me want a route, then I am willing to consider adding it.
If you have a problem with that, I don't really care because you're not paying to support me.
So, now my "essays" are bothersome, sorry that i wanted to know things and for trying to be helpful.
I was just normaly and patiently waiting for your reply when you suddenly started to lash back at me for god damn nothing, i wasn't the one who called your game a cuckfest. I probably would have supported if you read and understood my first essay. But no thx, i'm good now. I'll find someone with a better attitude.
And learn to read, i cared about my questions being answered, not the game.
Anyway, have fun and still "good luck" developing and stuff.
Look, I'm sorry if I was rude, I'm running on a few hours of sleep here.
But quite frankly, I wouldn't be doing it on a whim. Everything would be planned. Think of it like this, the screenplay I've written is immutable. Nothing would change. Writing in this new route would be akin to making DLC for it and I'd be able to keep my release schedule intact simply by making the proper adjustments while working when needed.
Nah, don’t worry about it, I get it. Annoyance slips out sometimes, it happens to me sometimes.
I get what you mean by DLC, but I guess you’re not understanding my meaning. I’m not talking about physically writing the stories, I’m talking conceptually.
For example, could you turn Pulp Fiction into a comedy about Marcellus Wallace and Butch after the Gimp scene of them eating donuts together? Sure. Does it fit the theme and pacing of the movie and the characters motivations? Not really.
That said, I suppose if you ARE thinking of giving the MC a path where he only wins, you could just make a whole new game centered on that. That way the theming is consistent throughout. That or the DLC is just an build without the cucking or whatever.
