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1-the fact that the cuckold finds out early, and it's an open relationship game. i prefer cheating.
Yeah this. This right here is my biggest concern. The cheating aspect always makes for the hottest NTR games.

For me it's not so much that Hutch knows, it's the fact that Vivian knows that Hutch knows this early on. Maybe the direction the dev is going before Vivian goes full slut mode is have Vivian downplay the favors she does for Christian. Just because Hutch greenlighted her behaviour doesnt mean she cant keep things hidden from Hutch. Maybe at first she tells Hutch everything but as the game goes on she starts to hide certain details from her "work" with Christian. That way she is cheating in a open relationship since she betrayed her husband's trust despite his giving her a second chance :devilish:.

On a side note, Christian doesnt strike me as the type of guy to pimp his girls out to clients. I thought he was always about keeping the girl to himself. I think the dev has some explanation to do before the inevitable pimping out.
 

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Yeah this. This right here is my biggest concern. The cheating aspect always makes for the hottest NTR games.

For me it's not so much that Hutch knows, it's the fact that Vivian knows that Hutch knows this early on. Maybe the direction the dev is going before Vivian goes full slut mode is have Vivian downplay the favors she does for Christian. Just because Hutch greenlighted her behaviour doesnt mean she cant keep things hidden from Hutch. Maybe at first she tells Hutch everything but as the game goes on she starts to hide certain details from her "work" with Christian. That way she is cheating in a open relationship since she betrayed her husband's trust despite his giving her a second chance :devilish:.

On a side note, Christian doesnt strike me as the type of guy to pimp his girls out to clients. I thought he was always about keeping the girl to himself. I think the dev has some explanation to do before the inevitable pimping out.
I don't think "pimping out" is inevitable, I see it more as a hot piece of eye candy on his arm during the meetings, helping to wine and dine the clients. The "work" part of it I expect to be in the restaurant toilets, in the car, in a hotel after the meetings, before dropping Vivian back home to Hutch, but it's all Christian, not the clients.

If you're having these meetings to bring on new clients, it suggests to me that trying to seduce the client is a bad way to go about it. It could go well, of course, but it could be an absolute disaster, not only for the meeting, but for the company's reputation. It's just not a risk worth taking. There may of course be situations where it can be written into the story to work - for instance the client is well-known to be persuadable this way, and maybe something is pre-agreed between Christian and the client etc., but I don't think that would feel right.

For the cheating and being open about it side of things... it's difficult, because they both know exactly what is going on, and they both know the other is fully aware of it, too. But neither of them is willing to admit it, they've both skirted around it, using codewords, etc. I think that puts across that they're both still a bit in denial about it, that it's not really happening, and once they admit to each other that it is happening, that's the breaking point.
 
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Maybe at first she tells Hutch everything but as the game goes on she starts to hide certain details from her "work" with Christian
But Hutch said clearly he doesn't want to know. He's not interested in whole scenario, let alone some details. Of course she can keep lying to Hutch, she does it all the time. And Hutch knows about it, I don't think that he sees Vivian as believable person anymore. So what's the point of making another lies?? I think it would be artificial NTR scenario. But creator can make it more applaudable, he knows how to make something out of nothing, I have no doubt.

The "work" part of it I expect to be in the restaurant toilets, in the car, in a hotel after the meetings, before dropping Vivian back home to Hutch, but it's all Christian, not the clients.
Previews once again. I see her in 3 different cars, Christian's with white interior. Other one with gray interior(probably taxi, she gets out alone from backseat, brought to point of destination), probably same scene cause of purple dress, back home morning brought by another car with red-black interior. Sex scene in unknown location, not home, not Christian's place, another image of same scene probably in an unknown backyard (doesn't look like Christian's). Another image, guy with cigarette and Viv in towel. Maybe presumptive evidences but enough IMO to believe that at least one unknown guy banged Vivian and it's obvious it is related to new evening's duties of her.
 

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I don't think "pimping out" is inevitable, I see it more as a hot piece of eye candy on his arm during the meetings, helping to wine and dine the clients. The "work" part of it I expect to be in the restaurant toilets, in the car, in a hotel after the meetings, before dropping Vivian back home to Hutch, but it's all Christian, not the clients.

If you're having these meetings to bring on new clients, it suggests to me that trying to seduce the client is a bad way to go about it. It could go well, of course, but it could be an absolute disaster, not only for the meeting, but for the company's reputation. It's just not a risk worth taking. There may of course be situations where it can be written into the story to work - for instance the client is well-known to be persuadable this way, and maybe something is pre-agreed between Christian and the client etc., but I don't think that would feel right.

For the cheating and being open about it side of things... it's difficult, because they both know exactly what is going on, and they both know the other is fully aware of it, too. But neither of them is willing to admit it, they've both skirted around it, using codewords, etc. I think that puts across that they're both still a bit in denial about it, that it's not really happening, and once they admit to each other that it is happening, that's the breaking point.
maybe. but I do think the game is going in the pimping out direction. The game makes an effort to show Vivian surrounded by all these sleazy dudes tryna get a piece of her. The mechanic, the jock, Sawyer's roommates etc. I'd be surprised if Vivian doesnt fuck anyone else but Christian. For better or for worse I think thats the direction the game is headed. The dev doesnt show things without a reason. But in the end its all about the execution of the idea, not the idea itself. I trust the dev will keep things interesting and make Vivian's corruption very sexy.

As for the cheating aspect, I think the one saving grace is Hutch not knowing that Vivian knows that he knows, if that makes sense. So as far as Hutch is concerned he still thinks Vivian is in the dark about things, which makes for some very interesting drama in the future.
 
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Previews once again. I see her in 3 different cars, Christian's with white interior. Other one with gray interior(probably taxi, she gets out alone from backseat, brought to point of destination), probably same scene cause of purple dress, back home morning brought by another car with red-black interior. Sex scene in unknown location, not home, not Christian's place, another image of same scene probably in an unknown backyard (doesn't look like Christian's). Another image, guy with cigarette and Viv in towel. Maybe presumptive evidences but enough IMO to believe that at least one unknown guy banged Vivian and it's obvious it is related to new evening's duties of her.
maybe. but I do think the game is going in the pimping out direction. The game makes an effort to show Vivian surrounded by all these sleazy dudes tryna get a piece of her. The mechanic, the jock, Sawyer's roommates etc. I'd be surprised if Vivian doesnt fuck anyone else but Christian. For better or for worse I think thats the direction the game is headed. The dev doesnt show things without a reason. But in the end its all about the execution of the idea, not the idea itself. I trust the dev will keep things interesting and make Vivian's corruption very sexy.

As for the cheating aspect, I think the one saving grace is Hutch not knowing that Vivian knows that he knows, if that makes sense. So as far as Hutch is concerned he still thinks Vivian is in the dark about things, which makes for some very interesting drama in the future.
(Replying to both of these together as there's a bit of crossover...)

Yeah, "presumptive" being the operative word there. Even if there are other guys that start getting involved, my comment was purely about Christian pimping her out during these work evenings. None of the guys from v0.2 would be included in that, just to get them off the table. The previews are not obviously "related to the new evening's duties of her", they could be anything. Or at least, none of them make it clear that Vivian will be fucking anyone but Christian during those evenings. What is obvious though, is that it all remains to be seen. The dev's got a very clear vision from what it sounds like, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if he pulls something out that isn't just "the norm", even for this type of game.

Good point though about the "Hutch doesn't know that Vivian knows he knows" tongue tangler! It's pretty obvious, but actually, because it's not been spelled out by either of them, as far as Hutch knows for sure, Vivian doesn't know he knows. From his point of view, she probably thinks he's worked it out, but because she's danced around the wording of it, maybe she does think he's still oblivious, at least to the worst of it. It's a bit of a mind boggler, trying to get around the wording of it, but I get what you mean.
 
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Vivian knows Hutch knows everything (or at least almost everything) about her cheating. But worse than the cheating, she knows that he knows she is continuously lying. And he knows she is lying to his face.

There is no way Hutch could every trust anything she says regarding his boss or the 'project'. There is no way he should believe a word she says.
If he does, then i would see that as a major plot hole in the story. She is not a cheater, she is a lying cheater.

Every time she says I love you, or asks if he loves her, I hope he never responds, gives him some sort of dignity.


on another note, does this game remind anyone of 'it could be worse'? https://f95zone.to/threads/it-could-be-worse-2-4-2-ehelljay.104734/
 

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I really hope the husband has good reasons and a good development, he has already seen that his wife fell for a man and he feels guilty about it because he ended up creating the situation due to his failure at the company, but he also feels angry at his wife because she was the one who made the whole situation worse. He made it very clear that he did not want to humiliate himself for the job but she insisted that they keep trying, and said that she would not fall for the boss's talk, but at the first opportunity she did, so the husband knows that she lied and cheated on him, so he feels a mix between guilt and anger...
I essentially agree with all of this, though I place more blame on the wife. She should have had enough faith in and respect for her husband to not show up at his job to speak with his boss. She also should have listened when her husband warned her about his boss being a womanizer (which in response to, she said: "I'm fully capable of handling myself if he says or does something inappropriate, okay?") And regardless of what the boss said to her, she should not have given in to cheating with him and violating her husband's trust, and furthermore stupidly do it all in eyeshot and earshot of her husband.

I also hope the wife doesn't turn into a neighborhood slut, one of the best things about this game is the fact that she's really fighting for her marriage even though she's made big mistakes, so if she just stops caring about her husband and turns into a soulless whore it'll be really cliché for NTR and that's not what I expect for this game that actually has good writing.
I wholeheartedly agree. A big part of what appeals to me (despite her lapses in judgment) is her love of her husband and her guilty conscience about what she has done. For her to entirely lose her dignity as a wife (and mother) at any point would make all the tears she has shed about hurting her husband so meaningless, in addition to many of the things she said to her husband (such as: "I'd rather live in a cardboard box with you than a mansion without you.")
 
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I essentially agree with all of this, though I place more blame on the wife. She should have had enough faith in and respect for her husband to not show up at his job to speak with his boss. She also should have listened when her husband warned her about his boss being a womanizer (which in response to, she said: "I'm fully capable of handling myself if he says or does something inappropriate, okay?") And regardless of what the boss said to her, she should not have given in to cheating with him and violating her husband's trust, and furthermore stupidly do it all in eyeshot and earshot of her husband.



I wholeheartedly agree. A big part of what appeals to me (despite her lapses in judgment) is her love of her husband and her guilty conscience about what she has done. For her to entirely lose her dignity as a wife (and mother) at any point would make all the tears she has shed about hurting her husband so meaningless, in addition to many of the things she said to her husband (such as: "I'd rather live in a cardboard box with you than a mansion without you.")
Agree. That's one reason I hope she doesn't go BBC or college kids. It would kill what the story is supposed to about.
 

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my comment was purely about Christian pimping her out during these work evenings. None of the guys from v0.2 would be included in that, just to get them off the table.
Yeah now that you mentioned it, that can happen as well if it's just limited to her new job. The dinners or meetings she has with clients can get her all worked up only for Christian to swoop in and satisfy her at the end of the night. It makes perfect sense, arguably even more so than pimping her out, genre conventions be damned.

I must say though that the Christian storyline is so far a lot more interesting than the jock or mechanic stuff. I think balancing both storylines will be tricky for the dev since they seem tonally divergent. One is pretty serious stuff while the others seem like some B-grade NTR fare. I mean I do appreciate the subtle details like Vivian smiling at the jock while she is talking to Hutch on the phone but the mechanic scene really sticks out like a sore thumb.
 
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There is one thing I am curious what the role the son will have. In most AVNS the adult child is female she ends up getting fucked. The son will he be his dads allie or will he just be a side player. Will he or one of his friends see her with the boss. Hope DEV has a good plan for him.
 
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Agree. That's one reason I hope she doesn't go BBC or college kids. It would kill what the story is supposed to about.
Remember ,,, Hutch know is is not the sexual dynamo . He herd that from Vivian in the bathroom. So he has opened the marriage. I am sure he didn't want to. He enven said he did not want to know any details. That said ... it opens up the possibility for the BBC and the college kids too. Maybe others .
 

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Honestly I hope that this game doesn't have a bad ending, I know that may be naive of me...
Yeah, me too, if I'm being honest. But for some reason, I don't see Hutch and Vivian getting back together, at least not like before. You can tell they both love each other, but we'll have to see how long their relationship can last. Also, considering that Addison is there, showing almost constant support for Hutch... We'll see if anything happens there.

But of course it's all speculation, the final word will be up to the developer. :coffee:
 

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I am not sure about the son yet... We do not know much there yet. We do have a preview pic of her at a baskeball game . But she seems to be looking at someone with concern.
 

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From what the DEV has shown up for being married for 22years Vivian cheated easily. For me I would love for them to find a way back. But that bathroom scene was telling. All the things that were said was horrible. The worse thing that was done and for me killed the marriage. The kiss on the cheek she smiled and whispered asshole in his ear. That may have felt like nothing but it showed intimacy. No matter what she says from that moment forth she was only sorry she got caught. Just the impression I got.
 

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Remember ,,, Hutch know is is not the sexual dynamo . He herd that from Vivian in the bathroom. So he has opened the marriage. I am sure he didn't want to. He enven said he did not want to know any details. That said ... it opens up the possibility for the BBC and the college kids too. Maybe others .
But I'm sure Hutch opened it regarding his boss not the town. Think it's going to end up being a perception thing. She will believe he meant it to be completely open. They didn't have a sit down conversation about the boundaries.
 

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THe kiss on the cheek is before she realized Shes is caught. From then on she is in panic mode. Some may think she is like this because she now knows... he knows ...about her cheat ( For whatever reason )
 

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There is one thing I am curious what the role the son will have. In most AVNS the adult child is female she ends up getting fucked. The son will he be his dads allie or will he just be a side player. Will he or one of his friends see her with the boss. Hope DEV has a good plan for him.
For the few info we have, it seems that he's not reacting too much when his friends make sexual jokes about her mother, so maybe it's a little bit like his father. But it's too early to know.

Remember ,,, Hutch know is is not the sexual dynamo . He herd that from Vivian in the bathroom. So he has opened the marriage. I am sure he didn't want to. He enven said he did not want to know any details. That said ... it opens up the possibility for the BBC and the college kids too. Maybe others .
It wouldn't make sense with the reason behind the cheating. She's doing it for her marriage, for the love of his husband, plus she hasn't shown any sexual attraction for any of those guys. She found cute her son's friends reactions, she's surprised by the (cliché) BBC but she doesn't show any sign of sexual arousal. It would be disappointing if because of Christian's "tasks" she becomes a full turbo whore. Not because it wouldn't be hot to see her fucking in multiple scenarios, but because of the coherence of the story.
 
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The worse thing that was done and for me killed the marriage. The kiss on the cheek she smiled and whispered asshole in his ear. That may have felt like nothing but it showed intimacy. No matter what she says from that moment forth she was only sorry she got caught. Just the impression I got.
This is significant. Already at night at the bosse's house they establish a certain tone, a certain rapport with each other, esp when they have a "break" from sex. It's a sort of partnership in crime, a working relationship in cheating and in sexual performance so to speak. They are bonding on this technical level, on the level of banter. It's not romance but it's not hostility either. And it lays the groundwork for later, when she trusts the boss when talking about what she should do with her husband.
 

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There is one thing I am curious what the role the son will have. In most AVNS the adult child is female she ends up getting fucked. The son will he be his dads allie or will he just be a side player. Will he or one of his friends see her with the boss. Hope DEV has a good plan for him.
My guess the son will get tricked by the twins and is in danger of losing his admission to university unless Vivian knows a way to prevent this.
Same for Ruppert the schoolboy who helped Vivian fixing her car. The car shop owner might aswell use him to get in Vivian's pants...
 

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THe kiss on the cheek is before she realized Shes is caught. From then on she is in panic mode. Some may think she is like this because she now knows... he knows ...about her cheat ( For whatever reason )
The thing is, even if Hutch wasn't there, As Adhdclassic said, her kissing in the cheek and acting playful (a sign of intimacy, complicity) with the guy she supposedly hates or consider him an asshole makes her an hypocrite and an asshole too.
 
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