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She does it to keep her own social and financial status.
This play a very important role indeed. Don't forgot her son's tuition that is mentioned even more that her car (and in fact serves as an excuse to meet the son's dumb "friends"). As Justaphase said, this is also an important factor to keep seeing the boss. The car was a birthday gift from Hutch and she wasn't as keen to have one. In fact she says to Hutch that all that matter to her is being together. Her crying in the car is because is defective in the worst moment and for all the stressful situation, not for the attachment to it.
I think her going to see the boss in the first place is because she feels that her husband is hesitant, and she has to act firmly to save her status (which includes her family itself). Then it becomes some sort of challenge between her and the boss. That's why she insists to go to the dinner, until she realizes once at his home, that he was testing Hutch and not her. Thus, this will also explain why she accepts to sacrifice, because she feels that she was the "original sinner" so to speak.
 
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The car was a birthday gift from Hutch and she wasn't as keen to have one. In fact she says to Hutch that all that matter to her is being together. Her crying in the car is because is defective in the worst moment and for all the stressful situation, not for the attachment to it.
So one could say, from her perspective, even Hutch's gift to her is letting her down in a crucial moment... Like his cock perhaps?

But on a more serious note her saying she doesn't care about material things and her factual behavior are two different things of course. Appearences seem to be important, she knows how to dress in order to impress in changing contexts (compare her clothes in the first scene with the boss and then when she visits the son for example). At the end he says the boss could take her to places he himself can't. It's always the question as with the car: does Hutch project or does he has the right feeling what his wife really wants after 20 years?
 

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So one could say, from her perspective, even Hutch's gift to her is letting her down in a crucial moment... Like his cock perhaps?
I haven't though that way, but yes, it could be a metaphor. However it's not mentioned that she's blaming her husband for the defective gift.

Appearences seem to be important
I think it's more this than material things. It's her having a son in college, a "happy" family (she insists multiple times of ruining 22 years of marriage), a nice house.
does Hutch project or does he has the right feeling what his wife really wants after 20 years?
It could be more than the sex department indeed. For me it was just concerning the latter, because in a normal situation he was earning a good salary. We will see.
 
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It's just a tragic mess.
As a spectator though I do love seeing it, I can't lie. It's probably a good job that there aren't choices in the game because if there were I would be turning Vivian into even more of a slut. :LOL: Have her literally riding Christians dick in the office, with the blinds open.
 
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1-the fact that the cuckold finds out early, and it's an open relationship game. i prefer cheating.
Yeah this. This right here is my biggest concern. The cheating aspect always makes for the hottest NTR games.

For me it's not so much that Hutch knows, it's the fact that Vivian knows that Hutch knows this early on. Maybe the direction the dev is going before Vivian goes full slut mode is have Vivian downplay the favors she does for Christian. Just because Hutch greenlighted her behaviour doesnt mean she cant keep things hidden from Hutch. Maybe at first she tells Hutch everything but as the game goes on she starts to hide certain details from her "work" with Christian. That way she is cheating in a open relationship since she betrayed her husband's trust despite his giving her a second chance :devilish:.

On a side note, Christian doesnt strike me as the type of guy to pimp his girls out to clients. I thought he was always about keeping the girl to himself. I think the dev has some explanation to do before the inevitable pimping out.
 

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Yeah this. This right here is my biggest concern. The cheating aspect always makes for the hottest NTR games.

For me it's not so much that Hutch knows, it's the fact that Vivian knows that Hutch knows this early on. Maybe the direction the dev is going before Vivian goes full slut mode is have Vivian downplay the favors she does for Christian. Just because Hutch greenlighted her behaviour doesnt mean she cant keep things hidden from Hutch. Maybe at first she tells Hutch everything but as the game goes on she starts to hide certain details from her "work" with Christian. That way she is cheating in a open relationship since she betrayed her husband's trust despite his giving her a second chance :devilish:.

On a side note, Christian doesnt strike me as the type of guy to pimp his girls out to clients. I thought he was always about keeping the girl to himself. I think the dev has some explanation to do before the inevitable pimping out.
I don't think "pimping out" is inevitable, I see it more as a hot piece of eye candy on his arm during the meetings, helping to wine and dine the clients. The "work" part of it I expect to be in the restaurant toilets, in the car, in a hotel after the meetings, before dropping Vivian back home to Hutch, but it's all Christian, not the clients.

If you're having these meetings to bring on new clients, it suggests to me that trying to seduce the client is a bad way to go about it. It could go well, of course, but it could be an absolute disaster, not only for the meeting, but for the company's reputation. It's just not a risk worth taking. There may of course be situations where it can be written into the story to work - for instance the client is well-known to be persuadable this way, and maybe something is pre-agreed between Christian and the client etc., but I don't think that would feel right.

For the cheating and being open about it side of things... it's difficult, because they both know exactly what is going on, and they both know the other is fully aware of it, too. But neither of them is willing to admit it, they've both skirted around it, using codewords, etc. I think that puts across that they're both still a bit in denial about it, that it's not really happening, and once they admit to each other that it is happening, that's the breaking point.
 
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Maybe at first she tells Hutch everything but as the game goes on she starts to hide certain details from her "work" with Christian
But Hutch said clearly he doesn't want to know. He's not interested in whole scenario, let alone some details. Of course she can keep lying to Hutch, she does it all the time. And Hutch knows about it, I don't think that he sees Vivian as believable person anymore. So what's the point of making another lies?? I think it would be artificial NTR scenario. But creator can make it more applaudable, he knows how to make something out of nothing, I have no doubt.

The "work" part of it I expect to be in the restaurant toilets, in the car, in a hotel after the meetings, before dropping Vivian back home to Hutch, but it's all Christian, not the clients.
Previews once again. I see her in 3 different cars, Christian's with white interior. Other one with gray interior(probably taxi, she gets out alone from backseat, brought to point of destination), probably same scene cause of purple dress, back home morning brought by another car with red-black interior. Sex scene in unknown location, not home, not Christian's place, another image of same scene probably in an unknown backyard (doesn't look like Christian's). Another image, guy with cigarette and Viv in towel. Maybe presumptive evidences but enough IMO to believe that at least one unknown guy banged Vivian and it's obvious it is related to new evening's duties of her.
 

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I don't think "pimping out" is inevitable, I see it more as a hot piece of eye candy on his arm during the meetings, helping to wine and dine the clients. The "work" part of it I expect to be in the restaurant toilets, in the car, in a hotel after the meetings, before dropping Vivian back home to Hutch, but it's all Christian, not the clients.

If you're having these meetings to bring on new clients, it suggests to me that trying to seduce the client is a bad way to go about it. It could go well, of course, but it could be an absolute disaster, not only for the meeting, but for the company's reputation. It's just not a risk worth taking. There may of course be situations where it can be written into the story to work - for instance the client is well-known to be persuadable this way, and maybe something is pre-agreed between Christian and the client etc., but I don't think that would feel right.

For the cheating and being open about it side of things... it's difficult, because they both know exactly what is going on, and they both know the other is fully aware of it, too. But neither of them is willing to admit it, they've both skirted around it, using codewords, etc. I think that puts across that they're both still a bit in denial about it, that it's not really happening, and once they admit to each other that it is happening, that's the breaking point.
maybe. but I do think the game is going in the pimping out direction. The game makes an effort to show Vivian surrounded by all these sleazy dudes tryna get a piece of her. The mechanic, the jock, Sawyer's roommates etc. I'd be surprised if Vivian doesnt fuck anyone else but Christian. For better or for worse I think thats the direction the game is headed. The dev doesnt show things without a reason. But in the end its all about the execution of the idea, not the idea itself. I trust the dev will keep things interesting and make Vivian's corruption very sexy.

As for the cheating aspect, I think the one saving grace is Hutch not knowing that Vivian knows that he knows, if that makes sense. So as far as Hutch is concerned he still thinks Vivian is in the dark about things, which makes for some very interesting drama in the future.
 
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Previews once again. I see her in 3 different cars, Christian's with white interior. Other one with gray interior(probably taxi, she gets out alone from backseat, brought to point of destination), probably same scene cause of purple dress, back home morning brought by another car with red-black interior. Sex scene in unknown location, not home, not Christian's place, another image of same scene probably in an unknown backyard (doesn't look like Christian's). Another image, guy with cigarette and Viv in towel. Maybe presumptive evidences but enough IMO to believe that at least one unknown guy banged Vivian and it's obvious it is related to new evening's duties of her.
maybe. but I do think the game is going in the pimping out direction. The game makes an effort to show Vivian surrounded by all these sleazy dudes tryna get a piece of her. The mechanic, the jock, Sawyer's roommates etc. I'd be surprised if Vivian doesnt fuck anyone else but Christian. For better or for worse I think thats the direction the game is headed. The dev doesnt show things without a reason. But in the end its all about the execution of the idea, not the idea itself. I trust the dev will keep things interesting and make Vivian's corruption very sexy.

As for the cheating aspect, I think the one saving grace is Hutch not knowing that Vivian knows that he knows, if that makes sense. So as far as Hutch is concerned he still thinks Vivian is in the dark about things, which makes for some very interesting drama in the future.
(Replying to both of these together as there's a bit of crossover...)

Yeah, "presumptive" being the operative word there. Even if there are other guys that start getting involved, my comment was purely about Christian pimping her out during these work evenings. None of the guys from v0.2 would be included in that, just to get them off the table. The previews are not obviously "related to the new evening's duties of her", they could be anything. Or at least, none of them make it clear that Vivian will be fucking anyone but Christian during those evenings. What is obvious though, is that it all remains to be seen. The dev's got a very clear vision from what it sounds like, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if he pulls something out that isn't just "the norm", even for this type of game.

Good point though about the "Hutch doesn't know that Vivian knows he knows" tongue tangler! It's pretty obvious, but actually, because it's not been spelled out by either of them, as far as Hutch knows for sure, Vivian doesn't know he knows. From his point of view, she probably thinks he's worked it out, but because she's danced around the wording of it, maybe she does think he's still oblivious, at least to the worst of it. It's a bit of a mind boggler, trying to get around the wording of it, but I get what you mean.
 
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Vivian knows Hutch knows everything (or at least almost everything) about her cheating. But worse than the cheating, she knows that he knows she is continuously lying. And he knows she is lying to his face.

There is no way Hutch could every trust anything she says regarding his boss or the 'project'. There is no way he should believe a word she says.
If he does, then i would see that as a major plot hole in the story. She is not a cheater, she is a lying cheater.

Every time she says I love you, or asks if he loves her, I hope he never responds, gives him some sort of dignity.


on another note, does this game remind anyone of 'it could be worse'? https://f95zone.to/threads/it-could-be-worse-2-4-2-ehelljay.104734/
 

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I really hope the husband has good reasons and a good development, he has already seen that his wife fell for a man and he feels guilty about it because he ended up creating the situation due to his failure at the company, but he also feels angry at his wife because she was the one who made the whole situation worse. He made it very clear that he did not want to humiliate himself for the job but she insisted that they keep trying, and said that she would not fall for the boss's talk, but at the first opportunity she did, so the husband knows that she lied and cheated on him, so he feels a mix between guilt and anger...
I essentially agree with all of this, though I place more blame on the wife. She should have had enough faith in and respect for her husband to not show up at his job to speak with his boss. She also should have listened when her husband warned her about his boss being a womanizer (which in response to, she said: "I'm fully capable of handling myself if he says or does something inappropriate, okay?") And regardless of what the boss said to her, she should not have given in to cheating with him and violating her husband's trust, and furthermore stupidly do it all in eyeshot and earshot of her husband.

I also hope the wife doesn't turn into a neighborhood slut, one of the best things about this game is the fact that she's really fighting for her marriage even though she's made big mistakes, so if she just stops caring about her husband and turns into a soulless whore it'll be really cliché for NTR and that's not what I expect for this game that actually has good writing.
I wholeheartedly agree. A big part of what appeals to me (despite her lapses in judgment) is her love of her husband and her guilty conscience about what she has done. For her to entirely lose her dignity as a wife (and mother) at any point would make all the tears she has shed about hurting her husband so meaningless, in addition to many of the things she said to her husband (such as: "I'd rather live in a cardboard box with you than a mansion without you.")
 
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I essentially agree with all of this, though I place more blame on the wife. She should have had enough faith in and respect for her husband to not show up at his job to speak with his boss. She also should have listened when her husband warned her about his boss being a womanizer (which in response to, she said: "I'm fully capable of handling myself if he says or does something inappropriate, okay?") And regardless of what the boss said to her, she should not have given in to cheating with him and violating her husband's trust, and furthermore stupidly do it all in eyeshot and earshot of her husband.



I wholeheartedly agree. A big part of what appeals to me (despite her lapses in judgment) is her love of her husband and her guilty conscience about what she has done. For her to entirely lose her dignity as a wife (and mother) at any point would make all the tears she has shed about hurting her husband so meaningless, in addition to many of the things she said to her husband (such as: "I'd rather live in a cardboard box with you than a mansion without you.")
Agree. That's one reason I hope she doesn't go BBC or college kids. It would kill what the story is supposed to about.
 

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my comment was purely about Christian pimping her out during these work evenings. None of the guys from v0.2 would be included in that, just to get them off the table.
Yeah now that you mentioned it, that can happen as well if it's just limited to her new job. The dinners or meetings she has with clients can get her all worked up only for Christian to swoop in and satisfy her at the end of the night. It makes perfect sense, arguably even more so than pimping her out, genre conventions be damned.

I must say though that the Christian storyline is so far a lot more interesting than the jock or mechanic stuff. I think balancing both storylines will be tricky for the dev since they seem tonally divergent. One is pretty serious stuff while the others seem like some B-grade NTR fare. I mean I do appreciate the subtle details like Vivian smiling at the jock while she is talking to Hutch on the phone but the mechanic scene really sticks out like a sore thumb.
 
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There is one thing I am curious what the role the son will have. In most AVNS the adult child is female she ends up getting fucked. The son will he be his dads allie or will he just be a side player. Will he or one of his friends see her with the boss. Hope DEV has a good plan for him.
 
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Agree. That's one reason I hope she doesn't go BBC or college kids. It would kill what the story is supposed to about.
Remember ,,, Hutch know is is not the sexual dynamo . He herd that from Vivian in the bathroom. So he has opened the marriage. I am sure he didn't want to. He enven said he did not want to know any details. That said ... it opens up the possibility for the BBC and the college kids too. Maybe others .
 

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Honestly I hope that this game doesn't have a bad ending, I know that may be naive of me...
Yeah, me too, if I'm being honest. But for some reason, I don't see Hutch and Vivian getting back together, at least not like before. You can tell they both love each other, but we'll have to see how long their relationship can last. Also, considering that Addison is there, showing almost constant support for Hutch... We'll see if anything happens there.

But of course it's all speculation, the final word will be up to the developer. :coffee:
 

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I am not sure about the son yet... We do not know much there yet. We do have a preview pic of her at a baskeball game . But she seems to be looking at someone with concern.
 

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From what the DEV has shown up for being married for 22years Vivian cheated easily. For me I would love for them to find a way back. But that bathroom scene was telling. All the things that were said was horrible. The worse thing that was done and for me killed the marriage. The kiss on the cheek she smiled and whispered asshole in his ear. That may have felt like nothing but it showed intimacy. No matter what she says from that moment forth she was only sorry she got caught. Just the impression I got.
 

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Remember ,,, Hutch know is is not the sexual dynamo . He herd that from Vivian in the bathroom. So he has opened the marriage. I am sure he didn't want to. He enven said he did not want to know any details. That said ... it opens up the possibility for the BBC and the college kids too. Maybe others .
But I'm sure Hutch opened it regarding his boss not the town. Think it's going to end up being a perception thing. She will believe he meant it to be completely open. They didn't have a sit down conversation about the boundaries.
 
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