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John Doe Jr.

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Exactly, in fact, it was from that moment on that I got the idea that Hutch and Vivian would not end up together. That bathroom scene is kind of a big nail in the coffin of their marriage, so to speak. The kiss on the cheek, when she whispers "asshole" to him... It's clear that what she's doing is no longer being done with her husband in mind.

After all, she can cry all she wants, but as long as Christian is still after her, she's going to keep giving herself to him, whether she has an excuse or not.
Vivian wants to have her cake and eat it too. She wants the excitement and taboo of fucking other dudes but she also wants to have the traditional loving marriage with Hutch or maybe she wants the image of a traditional loving marriage and the societal approval attached to it
 
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armaneitor

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Wow, I find it impressive that this game, good novel, has managed in just 4 days more pages of comments and speculation than anything I've seen before on the forum, as you can see despite the time I have on the forum I practically do not give my opinion since I do not speak English and at this moment I am using the translator, but well, going to the subject in question I dared to try to give my opinion on this because I had not come across a novel that captivated me in this way, it really made me feel angry, I did not want what was happening to continue happening but I wanted to know more, I wanted to see more, how far it all went, it seemed like one more character in the story I could not think of anything else, thousands of questions about why and how it got to this, exciting, disturbing, it completely caught me something that practically none of the games here have achieved, in short I have carefully read the comments on the forum and the amount of theories that have been developed is impressive, but I think of a marriage of more than 20 years how can this happen and be so powerless as to not react like that! I don't understand it. First she meets the boss in the morning, just a conversation of minutes, at night she already accepts in the patio that they take her and make her suck cock after I don't know 20 minutes, how did he force her, really blackmail her or convince her, what terms did he use to get her to give in so quickly, then in the room it was clear that she knew that when she entered the situation would continue, but as much as I think about it I say, fuck does she really think that the noise and the moans are not going to be heard they are in a room just meters from the husband besides it was not that she had sex, I understand that if they force you accept with contempt that they use you and that's it, but she was all night until morning being penetrated by a guy that she barely knows how could she accept being used where did she get the resistance besides when dawn breaks it is she who is on top dominating sex, and she leaves the room acting like an idiot, it does not hurt damn, it does not smell like sex seriously she believes that her husband of so many years I would not recognize him that is where my real torment begins, we should and I hope it happens to have her point of view of the whole situation to understand it better, you know I would love for Cristian to show her the images of his house and she saw her husband writhing in pain from what he was seeing and hearing during the night to check if that would really destroy her seeing the damage she had caused to her husband and their relationship, would she rectify or ......, after the bathroom event it is clear to both that they know each other but then, they do not talk about it, how not to explode in front of her and she cries and seems to have remorse but accepts and this consists of the boss is going to use her as he pleases, by agreeing to work for him yes he has already manipulated or deceived or blackmailed her, where is the sincerity and trust although broken after so much time together I do not know where this novel will lead us but I am really intrigued, it managed to awaken my interests truly perhaps the strongest immersion I have experienced in a novel, if the husband had a plan that would be the moment of communicating the action plan, I don't know, there are so many to clarify, but in short, it is by far a really well-made story that captures you and makes you experience its feelings, suffering, anger, helplessness, damn, I think I went too far, but well, I had to get it off my chest, I just hope that it keeps us at this level of absorbing quality, good luck to everyone.
 

packard1928

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Only problem is she is no longer trustworthy. She lied, deceived, regardless of the reason. She broke her vows brutally. There is no together, whatever he does he has to do it alone.
I think that talk she was sincere because she knows that Hutch knows she has been fucking Christian. So they have a heart to heart and resolve to do this " Job" together. So.. I hope they continue together and bring him down. Just a guess though...
 

Adhdclassic

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I think that talk she was sincere because she knows that Hutch knows she has been fucking Christian. So they have a heart to heart and resolve to do this " Job" together. So.. I hope they continue together and bring him down. Just a guess though...
I hope so too. That conversation you take with a grain of salt. But the more she is with Christian or any other man that is not her husband she has to be treated with caution cause she is no longer the women you married 22years ago. She experienced something she either never experienced before or has but not for a long time. The only thing I can see keeping her with him is her son but that is not a guarantee. We will see.
 
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Dessolos

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The only thing I can see keeping her with him is her son but that is not a guarantee. We will see.
For me it's a little different at least unless her character goes through a change through deveolopment. But for right now I think she is gonna stay with him not just cause of her son and family they built together for 22 years. But I do think she does genuinely love Hutch. As if she didn't I don't them she would of been feeling all this remorse and guilt for what she has done.

So I think if she does leave Hutch what will end up pushing her away will untimely be Hutch not being able to go through and accept the open relationship or forgive her. I really don't think another guy or new experiences will drive her away until it becomes clear to her Hutch doesnt love her or want anything to do with her anymore and he is just putting on a brave face / facade for her and his job.
 

packard1928

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Hutch express how much he loves Vivian to Christion in the parking lot . And, Christian said she loves him just as much. So he must have a fetish to fuck married women. He mention some of the husbands of the women and their fetishes. That said after the talk and the open marriage I think they will work together. Hutch will soldier on thru this chapter until he can't I guess. I just want him to get the girl and get even.
 
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JoeBlogs

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Exactly, in fact, it was from that moment on that I got the idea that Hutch and Vivian would not end up together. That bathroom scene is kind of a big nail in the coffin of their marriage, so to speak. The kiss on the cheek, when she whispers "asshole" to him... It's clear that what she's doing is no longer being done with her husband in mind.

After all, she can cry all she wants, but as long as Christian is still after her, she's going to keep giving herself to him, whether she has an excuse or not.
The first night, the boss was fucking Vivian in back yard, bedroom and kitchen (although in bedroom, there was a scene where she was fucking him cowgirl, and remarked that she figured him out).

It is quite obvious that in the bathroom, Vivian was fucking the boss, you could tell by her "I'm not ready to cum" remark, and then proceed to giving him head.

This is what most likely broke Hutch.

Also she was willing to give him anal for her first time and he turned her down. Surely she must have realised hoe much she fucked up here.
 

Nimrodlepord

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Hmm, I didn't see or view any of the bedroom scenes, other than through the misty opaque class door. Where did you see the cowgirl activity in the bedroom?
 

Nimrodlepord

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The spectrum of feelings Hutch experienced Saturday (?) morning would have been quite wide. I wouldn't be surprised if he had reenacted the opening scene of The Shawshank Redemption, hit the turps, loaded his 38 and waited for just the right opertunity. Fortunately for us, the viewers, it seems there is lots of openings for Vivian to open their marriage of 22 years.
Looking forward to seeing just what happens, with the horny students, the blond receptionist, "fuckwit Max" and the various "dinner" dates with special clients. Really appreciate the lack of variable scenarios as they certainly break the intimate bond created between the viewer and characters. The carefully crafted "Auto movement" of the scenes creates anticipation and opertunity to think about the situation. Well done, story telling, graphics and executed interfaces, absolutely superb. Looking forward to the next installment
 

JoeBlogs

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Hmm, I didn't see or view any of the bedroom scenes, other than through the misty opaque class door. Where did you see the cowgirl activity in the bedroom?
its after they come back from the kitchen. Dont skip ahead and let it play out. Basically she mentions it's nearly morning, and in order to make him finish that last time she takes over in cowgirl fucking and completes the job.
 

What'sNew

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lol the more I see talk in this thread the more I think can't wait for the next update and update when haha. Really something if I can't wait for the next update
Yeah you're not the only one. I think what helps (or doesn't help) is that the previews at the end of this release was fking hot.

Seeing Vivian all dolled up again got me feeling things. And that shot of her lifting her dress up to reveal her ass? Gyat damn.
 

Nimrodlepord

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its after they come back from the kitchen. Dont skip ahead and let it play out. Basically she mentions it's nearly morning, and in order to make him finish that last time she takes over in cowgirl fucking and completes the job.
Thanks, I hadn't skipped; but yes, you are correct, just disappointed we didn't get to see the breakdown of Vivian's will via (Backyard), and the obvious debauchery in the subsequent "Bedroom" scenes, thought I had missed something special, maybe a rewind in the new release. Thanks for your prompt response.
 

Dessolos

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Yeah you're not the only one. I think what helps (or doesn't help) is that the previews at the end of this release was fking hot.

Seeing Vivian all dolled up again got me feeling things. And that shot of her lifting her dress up to reveal her ass? Gyat damn.
wait there was previews at the end of the release lol I just went back 1 frame and saved and exited the game. Time to boot the game up
 
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Dessolos

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Finally looked at the previews ( can't believe I didn't notice there was some at the end of the update) Must say from the amount of previews show it seems the dev has probably already did a good amount of the update , somehow I get the feeling won't be a super long wait for the next one haha.
 
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TonyMurray

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Thats a valid point and one likely to be the case.That will answer alot of her behavior.That will mean though she was lying to him the duration of her marriage.She settled with him and never actually was in love and lust with him.Thats another dagger in his hear if thats the case and it comes up in the future.
I don't get the whole "she has tattoos and piercings, therefore she must have been wild and has been lying to Hutch for the duration of their marriage..." stuff. People who are not "wild" get tattoos and piercings too. Or maybe she had a rebellious phase that she moved past. Tattoos and piercings alone are not a sign that a woman is a sexual wildchild.
Finally looked at the previews ( can't believe I didn't notice there was some at the end of the update) Must say from the amount of previews show it seems the dev has probably already did a good amount of the update , somehow I get the feeling won't be a super long wait for the next one haha.
Dev said he's got a similar amount of content done already, but it's not chronological (hence why the previews were available for the end of the release, and some of the previews in the OP are not yet in the game).
 

Shar4263

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I find this really heartwarming that members like us are now making the games, those who previously enjoyed the games and now making even better ones. And I really hope we'll see more serious DEVs who make these more as their passion rather than milking audience with just small updates and long development time.

Also I have been playing AVNs for last couple of years and I can see the tides shifting, where previously it was more like only Fap material but now as we are progressing we see deeper emotions, Better stories and relatable characters, whether its normal Wincest, NTR or even Harem/Vanilla story, bar it literally rising.
 

neronwtf

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if they are together and plot something he will have to be in the middle somehow.
This togetherness should have been planned in the conversation they had. Right now Hutch is letting her go to the lions den, and she's accepting without too much resistance, for the sake of letting him feel the "man of the house". They will spend less and less time together to bond, to plan something. And, last but not least, the trust between them is totally broken right now. Hutch knows that her wife is blatantly lying him again and again, even if she knows that he's already aware of whats happening with the boss.
She's even recognizing him that she wasn't able to solve the problem alone, and Hutch tells her that he will let her try it again. I don't see too much team work right there.

I hope they continue together and bring him down
I hope it too, but it doesn't seem good seeing the previews images and this last conversation together.

It's clear that what she's doing is no longer being done with her husband in mind.
t's clear that what she's doing is no longer being done with her husband in mind.

After all, she can cry all she wants, but as long as Christian is still after her, she's going to keep giving herself to him, whether she has an excuse or not.
I agree,her behavior was egoistic. Hutch presence only intensify the humiliation to which he is subjected, not only by his boss, but now also by his wife. Until then, he couldn't see the whole picture. In the bathroom, not only he can watch everything, he can also listening her wife going from: "I did it for my husband", to playfully kiss the "asshole" after having willingly fucked and swallowed his cum. That's why I think the trust is completely broken and with his decision of letting her go to the "work" with the boss it will only worsen things between them.
 

Dealbreaker

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All the talk about Hutch getting revenge or the couple plotting - that is more an attempt to bring back a sort of highter justice or moral world order into the game. But Hollywood doesn't apply here. The last service we can do for the husband is to be honest and see it as it is. Of course one is not in the dev's mind but I for one would be really disappointed if this would turn into such rather trivial kind of story. It would devalue the shock of the first episodes of the game and lower its quality in my opinion.
 
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