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Gattsu#Struggler

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I think the main part of it for me is whether Vivian would feel jealousy if she saw Christian with another woman. Generally, I'd say not a chance - possibly even relief would be the feeling instead. Of course though, there's the whole thing about his attentions making her feel attractive, etc., so it's also possible that she could feel some small bit of jealousy at having those attentions directed elsewhere... but enough to include as a byline in the game's summary?

That's a pretty big sweeping statement there. Being good with numbers doesn't somehow equate to having a messy/busy desk. Plenty of offices are largely paper-free, so the absense of papers (and post-its) all over a desk can't be taken to mean anything.

Plus, remember that this is a game - the dev is reliant on there being assets available, or having to create them himself. Maybe there are clear-desk assets for an office, but no paper-strewn desks that fit the aesthetic being created. As with many many things here, I think we over-analyse a bit too much, and should just keep it simple instead!
The surroundings mentioned by me were meant in a sarcastic way to emphasize Huutchs' forgetfulness regarding the lost of his 2 clients.
Don't take everything so seriously I'm fully aware that you can't design every single picture exactly according to the situation and certainly not a one-man team.
 

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Yeah was thinking the same thing. Imagine Hutch while taking "time off" from husband duties, goes to the gym and starts buffing out, perhaps takes a few boxing lessons too. Maybe visits a brothel or two and seeks sexual lessons on pleasing women. Why not ask take a few self-help lessons or read some books to improve his self confidence. In the end could become a ladies man, and start rolling in poontang. Might even break Vivian's heart :(



This is a good point. It would be disappointing, in a story sense, if they kind of just put it behind them or pretend it never happened. There's got to be some sort of reasonable emotional tug in the ending.




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Been arguing this point for a while. Losing a few clients is no excuse to start cheating on your husband. It is definitely her fault, she got the shit show rolling.
As for the missing accounts, this was my theory way back on page 92: Theory of lost accounts, making Hutch innocent. I should start taking bets to see if it eventuates.
Honestly I could see hutch inviting Christian over and going all Patrick Bateman on him ... It's hip to be square hahaha

Honestly for me if they just stay together and act like nothing happened and never talk about it that's the worst ending for me , that and if they stay together and Vivian continues to fuck around and hutch just has to accept it , I'd mainly just like him to have a say in the matter.

Regarding the accounts I have a theory that he never actually lost them and was just looking to trim some fat so to speak and may or may not of fired him in the morning but I think the opportunity of Vivian purely fell into his lap that morning and thought well I'm not gonna miss this opportunity
 

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Honestly I could see hutch inviting Christian over and going all Patrick Bateman on him ... It's hip to be square hahaha

Honestly for me if they just stay together and act like nothing happened and never talk about it that's the worst ending for me , that and if they stay together and Vivian continues to fuck around and hutch just has to accept it , I'd mainly just like him to have a say in the matter.

Regarding the accounts I have a theory that he never actually lost them and was just looking to trim some fat so to speak and may or may not of fired him in the morning but I think the opportunity of Vivian purely fell into his lap that morning and thought well I'm not gonna miss this opportunity
i have a feeling in some way shape or form hutchy and son will get a front row seat to all vivians "work" and she will love every second of it
 

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. Losing a few clients is no excuse to start cheating on your husband. It is definitely her fault, she got the shit show rolling.
losing clients = loss job = loss of material status=loss of savings=risk of losing son's future (education)/everything
if it could be avoided by having sex with husband boss, i have no questions :)
Vivian did the only thing that could effectively help
 

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i have a feeling in some way shape or form hutchy and son will get a front row seat to all vivians "work" and she will love every second of it
Duke I mean this in the nicest possible way and this nothing against you in the slightest

But I've noticed on a few of the posts you've commented on especially with quotes you don't provide a challenge to points or a rebuttal, you tend to just double down on the NTR aspect of things - now like I said this is nothing against you or your opinion, but there will be different opinions so I guess what I'm saying is while you have your own opinion/preference it's worth being respectful of other peoples opinions and preferences

Now I'm fully open to an actual conversation around things where we can challenge eachother points and it's light hearted id actually welcome it after all we are all adults here

But as it stands for me at the moment it just reads like NTR propaganda rather than an actual conversation

Again just to reaffirm this is nothing against you in the slightest or a go at you at all

This is why NTR thread put me on edge haha as the tend to be minefields most of the time
 

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Duke I mean this in the nicest possible way and this nothing against you in the slightest

But I've noticed on a few of the posts you've commented on especially with quotes you don't provide a challenge to points or a rebuttal, you tend to just double down on the NTR aspect of things - now like I said this is nothing against you or your opinion, but there will be different opinions so I guess what I'm saying is while you have your own opinion/preference it's worth being respectful of other peoples opinions and preferences

Now I'm fully open to an actual conversation around things where we can challenge eachother points and it's light hearted id actually welcome it after all we are all adults here

But as it stands for me at the moment it just reads like NTR propaganda rather than an actual conversation

Again just to reaffirm this is nothing against you in the slightest or a go at you at all

This is why NTR thread put me on edge haha as the tend to be minefields most of the time
honestly i respect everyones opinion but sometimes i think people want the dev to take a different path in his VN .. if you played the VN then it is clear the dev wants hutchy to witness his wife being banged by another man . hence why i said the dev could have made it were the meet at a hotel an hutch never knows.. what is even worse is when she yells at her son as he is trying to protect her just so she can give his friend a hug and put his face between her melons ... seriously!!!! simple question for you .. why do you think the dev purposely made it so hutchy witnesses everything that happens?
 
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Nope, it's dev's:
Re losing the accounts and all the theories - there's a competitor looking to expand, the sales team were told to shore up their clients and make sure that if approached, they wouldn't be leaving. Hutch maybe dropped the ball on this, but whether he did or did not, they might have left anyway. It's just a business thing, we more than likely don't need to look deeply into it in terms of the story being told here.
 
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So this is where it can get muddy yes hutch lost two clients but my understanding of can she get herself out of the hole she created is that there where options they had there plan in place

But where it becomes her fault is Vivian solely made the decision to visit Christian of her own accord even tho hutch had said he never wanted them to meet

She made the decision to sleep with him countless times

So even with hutch losing two clients it was Vivians own choices and decisions that lead to the bigger issue

That's the way I look at it
It only gets a rabbit hole for Vivian if she feels like that. For now only Huutch is located in a rabbit hole and he makes no effort to free himself from it although he had a few possibilities.
Vivian is the one who rescued the job Huutch didn't want to lose.
While Huutch took part in the search for alternative jobs without participation when Vivian was looking for it at the job market, it was also her who came up with a plan.
Something we all noticed and for sure Vivian, too.
That might be also a push for her besides the possibility to lose their financial balance to clutch at any straw when she decided to visit the office in the morning.

With regard to what lead to the backyard and bedroom event we lack of necessary information to pass the buck to Vivian.
Of course she was torn and mesmerized after her visit in the office...she just couldn't fight the feeling anymore!
 

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honestly i respect everyones opinion but sometimes i think people want the dev to take a different path in his VN .. if you played the VN then it is clear the dev wants hutchy to witness his wife being banged by another man . hence why i said the dev could have made it were the meet at a hotel an hutch never knows.. simple question for you .. why do you think the dev purposely made it so hutchy witnesses everything that happens?
I would say to add to his pain in a certain aspect of course but I think it's all part to do with the build up of him opening the marriage up and I think he largely in shock in regards to making a decision

Out of the background, Christians bedroom and the bathroom the only one I would say is deliberately done is Christians bedroom as that is a clear fuck you to hutch from Christian

The backgarden and the toilet are for me purely coisedental he stumbled across them in the garden as he was wondering what was taking so long

And the bathroom it just happened to be that he took a shit in the women's bathroom

The only deliberate part of the bathroom for me is that it was a wake up call to hutch that yes she enjoys it and he could do better and is it better to let her indulge these feelings and hope that she gets her fill so to speak and comes back rather than have her suppress them and run the risk off her doing it behind his back

I don't think hutch is a cuck in the aspect that he enjoys it as he clearly doesn't, I think he sees it as in that current moment opening the marriage is the best thing he can do for his marriage if he wants to keep his wife long term and wants it to be on his terms rather than her doing it behind his back and they become spiteful of each other

Thats my view on it some people might agree with it some won't but it is what it is haha

All I can say is we have to wait and see and who knows we could both have it wrong haha

Also a couple of posts back I did mention I'd prefer the Dev to stick to his actual vision for the game but as it stands neither me or you or anyone else that isn't the Dev knows what that vision is


Also I appreciate you taking that message in a good way I tried to write it in a way not to cause offence
 
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I would say to add to his pain in a certain aspect of course but I think it's all part to do with the build up of him opening the marriage up and I think he largely in shock in regards to making a decision

Out of the background, Christians bedroom and the bathroom the only one I would say is deliberately done is Christians bedroom as that is a clear fuck you to hutch from Christian

The backgarden and the toilet are for me purely coisedental he stumbled across them in the garden as he was wondering what was taking so long

And the bathroom it just happened to be that he took a shit in the women's bathroom

The only deliberate part of the bathroom for me is that it was a wake up call to hutch that yes she enjoys it and he could do better and is it better to let her indulge these feelings and hope that she gets her fill so to speak and comes back rather than have her suppress them and run the risk off her doing it behind his back

I don't think hutch is a cuck in the aspect that he enjoys it as he clearly doesn't, I think he sees it as in that current moment opening the marriage is the best thing he can do for his marriage if he wants to keep his wife long term and wants it to be on his terms rather than her doing it behind his back and they become spiteful of each other

Thats my view on it some people might agree with it some won't but it is what it is haha

All I can say is we have to wait and see and who knows we could both have it wrong haha



Also I appreciate you taking that message in a good way I tried to write it in a way not to cause offence
no problem and i agree with most of what you said honestly.. the only part i may disagree with is hutch making it on his terms. its clear the wife is going to bang the boss without hutch's approval or consent. hutch thinks by allowing her to do this he will keep her but in reality he already lost her. if hutch really wanted to keep her he would have agreed with his wife to move an leave all of it behind them . hutch choose not too. hutch choose to open his marriage. and hutch will reap all the pain from it.. i will say i feel sorry for there son cause he actually has balls and is trying to stop his slut mother but she is going to cuck him the worst lol so sad but we still love that slut pig mom and wife
 
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no problem and i agree with most of what you said honestly.. the only part i may disagree with is hutch making it on his terms. its clear the wife is going to bang the boss without hutch's approval or consent. hutch thinks by allowing her to do this he will keep her but in reality he already lost her. if hutch really wanted to keep her he would have agreed with his wife to move an leave all of it behind them . hutch choose not too. hutch choose to open his marriage. and hutch will reap all the pain from it.. i will say i feel sorry for there son cause he actually has balls and is trying to stop his slut mother but she is going to cuck him the worst lol so sad but we still love that slut pig mom and wife
So the hutch's terms I could of worded that better so In hutch's mind he's doing it on his terms and he may think that's the case for Vivian , now with Vivian it's hard to say as theres not enough information for it yet so il put it that she's doing it because hutch said too after the man of the house comment, Il agree with the moving part maybe hutch sees it as why should I have to move I didn't fuck your boss and is just being stubborn and refuses to see it as a fresh start

The one thing I will agree is I think Vivian is fucking stupid and naive case and point the twins anyone in this world can see they are trying to cop a feel so how she misses it is beyond me to the point it's baffling , I would like to see her develop some willpower or self control as she just gives into everything to easily, even if the game is to go down the hard NTR route I'd like to see her put up more of a fight to maintain her old life and slowly fall into it rather than her jumping into the deep end full of cum haha
 
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So the hutch's terms I could of worded that better so I'm hutch's mind he's doing it on his terms and he may think that's the case for Vivian , now with Vivian it's hard to say as theres not enough information for it yet so il put it that she's doing it because hutch said too after the man of the house comment, Il agree with the moving part maybe hutch sees it as why should I have to move I didn't fuck your boss and is just being stubborn and refuses to see it as a fresh start

The one thing I will agree is I think Vivian is fucking stupid and naive case and point the twins anyone in this world can see they are trying to cop a feel so how she misses it is beyond me to the point it's baffling , I would like to see her develop some willpower or self control as she just gives into everything to easily, even if the game is to go down the hard NTR route I'd like to see her put up more of a fight to maintain her old life and slowly fall into it rather than her jumping into the deep end full of cum haha
lol i like that and who knows maybe she will or wont.. got to wait for the update . you made some good points there though. for me its to believe she has been faithful for 22 years and poof!!! lets bang the boss so easily. but mid life crisis messes with us all differently i guess lol
 

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lol i like that and who knows maybe she will or wont.. got to wait for the update . you made some good points there though. for me its to believe she has been faithful for 22 years and poof!!! lets bang the boss so easily. but mid life crisis messes with us all differently i guess lol
I agree with your point to an aspect I think she got caught up in the whirlwind of the stolen kiss and it stirred something inside her I was just disappointed how quickly she gave it up I'd of preferred to see it being a slow burn and really have an internal conflict with herself rather than jump into bed with him less that 12 hours after meeting him it felt quick for me ....but with that being said with the way she was getting on with marcel I got a vibe from her that this isn't the first time she's played outside the boundaries of her marriage and again thats purely a theory and there's nothing to support it but it would support why she gave it up so easily haha
 
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I agree with your point to an aspect I think she got caught up in the whirlwind of the stolen kiss and it stirred something inside her I was just disappointed how quickly she gave it up I'd of preferred to see it being a slow burn and really have an internal conflict with herself rather than jump into bed with him less that 12 hours after meeting him it felt quick for me ....but with that being said with the way she was getting on with marcel I got a vibe from her that this isn't the first time she's played outside the boundaries of her marriage and again thats purely a theory and there's nothing to support it but it would support why she gave it up so easily haha
i truly believe she has cheated long before this or at least has been flirting with the idea and other men. no way you go from nun to hoe that fast .
 
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I don't see her with the twins jet. No reason too. She just looks at them a humorous horny boys. Now if they somehow pose a threat to her son... then that makes it just like what happen to hutch... bring in the sex to solve a problem.
 
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i truly believe she has cheated long before this or at least has been flirting with the idea and other men. no way you go from nun to hoe that fast .
Yeah like I said I had that vibe too but sadly it will only be a theory unless the Dev confirms it , but I will agree that it is odd that she makes that jump so quickly , like we could be wrong but it all just felt off to me that she made her peace to bang Christian so swiftly
 
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i truly believe she has cheated long before this or at least has been flirting with the idea and other men. no way you go from nun to hoe that fast .
We may not know the past of any of these characters... Does not seem to be the way the dev is writing this...so go with what we have.. She and Hutch have a lack luster sex life.... THe excitement of a younger hansom dude playing sexy with her and the Job situation...open up her legs... then she discovered she liked it...
 
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