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packard1928

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i think because its fantasy at this point because in real life even the weakest man would have just left vivian at this point , for me its what is the dev going to do next type thing for the VN . like how wild can the dev get because again its all fantasy now. and yes there is a part of me that would love to see hutch somehow kick christain in the sack, throw vivian to the curb an bang the niece as he takes over the company but i dont think thats how this VN is going to go lol
I would say that some men may find a forgiveness for cheating the first time.... but to witness a second time .... that would be get your things and get out. THat shows a pattern that may not stop.
 

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yeah my italian slut is a good one but honestly my favorite VN"S are summers gone, wiab, mbml, sicae, single again, mnm, mnf, companion of darkness, the falling reloaded, tfs, and leap of faith is awesome too.. oh chasing sunset, aura colors , the nature of magic etcc.. sorry long list
Well I owe you an apology duke there was me thinking you where solely NTR driven haha more to you than meets the eye , tho I do think it's one of those things that it's either for you or it isn't , for me with the NTR games if I know it isn't going to be an underdog story which it normally isn't it's the story that keeps me so I like to see how mental it gets or if it has a really good script that will keep me at it so at that stage I tolerate the ntr as I don't fully get or I haven't got into the fantasy of it the story will be enough for me if it's crazy enough or well written
 

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I would say that some men may find a forgiveness for cheating the first time.... but to witness a second time .... that would be get your things and get out. THat shows a pattern that may not stop.
I would imagine so , I've always had a one and done approach if you've done it once you'll do it again now beat it , thankfully I've never been in that situation but that how I'd deal with it
 

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So for NTR fans is it more about witnessing the pain that's been inflicted rather than directly inflicting it? Which if so I quite interesting as I would of thought it was the other way around , which I'd imagine is the case the in real life but why does that transfer to games of that nature i would imagine that inflicting the pain in a game doesn't come with the same sort of satisfaction or buzz that it would in real life so the next best thing is to witness the pain be inflicted?
Going to wade in here a moment. NTR is a catch all phrase that encompasses three concepts: Netorare, netorase and Netori. The term “cuck”is also thrown around and, apart from the textbook definition meaning the person being cheated on, in common parlance means a guy who gets off seeing his girl getting plowed by another. Unfortunately, Netorare/netorase(sharing)/cuck get all mashed together. It is a matter of distinctions - Netorare is “the taking of another” and usually involves coercion, blackmail or impaired decision making on behalf of the woman. The husband/bf isn’t present when this happens. I find this titillating. Unlike many I do not self-identify with the husband/bf in these scenarios. So, from a voyeur perspective I find it satisfying. It probably has something to do with control and taboo. Like all preferred fetishes, it probably stems from childhood trauma and/or experiences. While I suppose I am hardcore NTR (Netorare), I dislike cuck where the husband/bf is in the same room whacking it as his LI gets railed. I find cuck/humiliation even less appealing. This Kinetic Novel skirts the line between Netorare and netorase. I have politely argued with a few here that Hutch is not a cuck in the common sense - as of yet he does not seem to actively try to get off on seeing Vivian and Christian hide the salami. Maybe this will change in future updates. Anyhow, long ass way to set the parameters to answer your question.
 
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Going to wade in here a moment. NTR is a catch all phrase that encompasses three concepts: Netorare, netorase and Netori. The term “cuck”is also thrown around and, apart from the textbook definition meaning the person being cheated on, in common parlance means a guy who gets off seeing his girl getting plowed by another. Unfortunately, Netorare/netorase(sharing)/cuck get all mashed together. It is a matter of distinctions - Netorare is “the taking of another” and usually involves coercion, blackmail or impaired decision making on behalf of the woman. The husband/bf isn’t present when this happens. I find this titillating. Unlike many I do not self-identify with the husband/bf in these scenarios. So, from a voyeur perspective I find it satisfying. It probably has something to do with control and taboo. Like all preferred fetishes, it probably stems from childhood trauma and/or experiences. While I suppose I am hardcore NTR (Netorare), I dislike cuck where the husband/bf is in the same room whacking it as his LI gets railed. I find cuck/humiliation even less appealing. This Kinetic Novel skirts the line between Netorare and netorase. I have politely argued with a few here that Hutch is not a cuck in the common sense - as of yet he does not seem to actively try to get off on seeing Vivian and Christian hide the salami. Maybe this will change in future updates. Anyhow, long ass way to set the parameters to answer your question.
This really helps I had never considered the voyuer aspect netorare but now that you haven't mentioned it I can see how it makes sense

The whole cuck situation does absolutely nothing for me I personally don't see the appeal in real life and in games to me they always feel incredibly poorly written and forced on you - so for example it will start that the male has an interest in it and they will try it out and then confide with his partner that he's not actually sure it's for him then the partner essentially gaslights him into it saying something like it's ok love I know you like it you can be open with me and the male is like ok if you say so or something along those lines

I would agree with about hutch and the cuck situation the only difference is I don't class him as a cuck I see it for him that he sees this as a necessary evil to keep Vivian sort of thing , now that could still fit in to the cuck aspect of things as my knowledge of NTR is limited hence why I want a better understanding.. but moving on because of my view on it I personally choose not to tar him with the cuck brush so to speak haha
 
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JoeBlogs

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losing clients = loss job = loss of material status=loss of savings=risk of losing son's future (education)/everything
if it could be avoided by having sex with husband boss, i have no questions :)
Vivian did the only thing that could effectively help
LOL, really?
I'm not sure how things are in your household, but that shit would never fly in mine. My wife would have beaten the living shit out of Christian at the mere mention of it.

Was every other avenue explored? All they did was look at the internet for a few hours. I know this is purely just drama inducing game logic, but seriously, no other avenues explored?

1. at no stage prior to Christian meeting Vivian did the boss mention that Hutch was going to get fired, that was just an assumption on Hutch's part, probable but not confirmed.

2. at the chance that he might get fired, do you really think the only solution is to whore herself? She's not even doing a good job, she should be charging much more. Shit she could have started an Onlyfans if she wanted safer sex work, heck could even get Hutch involved.

3. her son could get student loans and a part time job, he's young and capable. I hear that's a thing in the US.

4. absolutely no guarantee that the boss would keep his word after fucking her, that was a risk on her behalf. So if risk taking was in the cards, why not risk it on something else that wouldn't destroy her husband.
 

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1. Planescape: Torment
2. Dream Web
3. MassEfect 1-2-3
4. Heavy Rain
5. Civilization
6. Red Dead Redemption
7. Last of Us
8. FallOut 1&2
9. BaldursGate
10. Pirates

random order
Okay the question was too vague :D What are your 5 or 10 VN´s? Question to all who feel addressed
 
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The beauty of MHB lies in its exploration of a potential life path that, while highly unlikely, still guides the reader into a believable scenario. I think the story is very strong in psychological terms, as it’s easy to immerse yourself in it.


Story-wise, it’s a great game. I agree with Xert13 and Chaotic Justice. The NTR aspect here is not about cuckoldry. Hutch doesn’t like it. On the contrary, he loathes the situation and feels that his world is falling apart. The sad truth is that there are people who are spineless, so while the possibility of a similar story happening is slim, it still lies within the realm of possibility. One example would be polyamorous relationships. In most cases, it is the dominant spouse who initiates this situation, with the submissive spouse agreeing because they don’t want to lose their dominant partner. While the odds are small and most people would not act this way, this is still something that exists in the real world.

Luc77, the chances of anyone acting as you suggested are very slim. Here, I agree with JoeBlogs that there are many other more realistic outcomes to explore. These could include saving until one finds a better job, starting at a lower-paying position and working your way up, taking out student loans, etc. Regarding Vivian’s behavior, she loves her husband, but her actions show a flaw in her personality and might suggest she is also a submissive type. There are people like that. They might seem formidable on the outside, but if you press the right buttons, they can be like "clay in the hands of the creator".


I’ll start from my household: If Christian had tried this with my wife, he’d probably need surgery, as my wife would kick his balls to oblivion (she’s a martial artist and now a triathlete). Moreover, she would press charges and sue him for sexual harassment. So, I believe most women would react to this situation with anything from complete silence (including not telling their spouse) to a full-blown rage attack on someone like Chrstian.


From my personal point of view, if my wife did what Vivian did, I’d divorce her in a heartbeat. Moreover, if my wife ever suggested an open marriage or polyamorous relationship, that would be the end of the line for me—and I would expect the same if I suggested something similar to her.

Having been married for 30 years, with the usual ups and downs of any normal couple, the scenario you presented is simply outside the realm of possibility.

Returning to the story, good storytelling makes us emotionally invested, which is why you and I have such strong reactions to it. It touches a nerve, albeit not a real one. We think about it and explore the "What If" scenarios (a normal fantasy for a few minutes, with no real connection to real life). We introspect, express our emotions, and then move on.

Now, here’s my take on the story: Hutch feels self-defeated, and due to his lack of social skills (specifically social awkwardness), he feels hopeless and in a dead-end situation. Bear in mind, he has professional self-esteem and would not agree to work in a lower-grade or lower-paying job (a normal reaction to the situation). From his perspective, he feels inferior to Christian and prefers that his wife continue meeting Christian. Eventually, he begs Vivian to return to him at the end of the day. This is not just self-defeating behavior—this is an inability to stand up to Christian. The most striking example of this, without the sexual context, is George McFly relationship with (his boss) Biff Tannen in Back to the Future.

Having said all of the above, I want to enter the realm of speculation about how dark (yet still realistic) the story could get, and suggest some potentially satisfying endings, ranging from happy to tragic.


Before doing so, don’t forget Addison. She has strong feelings for Hutch and could play a crucial role in the events to come. Unlike Vivian, who succumbs to Christian, Addison strongly loathes douchebags. So, Christian’s so-called charm doesn’t work on her—in fact, it elicits the opposite response. She is much more in favor of guys like Hutch.

One way the story could unfold is that Christian corrupts Vivian to the point where she leaves/divorces Hutch. This would be devastating to both Hutch and Vivian. Eventually, Christian would likely replace Vivian with a younger "toy," casting her aside. This would be a dark, satisfying ending to the story. Hutch would never recover from Vivian’s betrayal and would be alone for the rest of his life (if you want a final dramatic event, he could end his life). Vivian would be tossed aside, knowing that Hutch would never forgive her, leaving her to mourn the loss of both her husband and lover. She’d have time to reflect on her actions. But to make things worse, she might either end up alone (unlikely and unrealistic), marry someone like Hutch (thus repeating the vicious cycle), or end up with a douchebag who would throw her out (karma, right?). This is a potentially satisfying dark ending.


Another option, also dark but more intense, is that Vivian loses her mind as Christian introduces a new woman into his life. In a fit of jealousy, she kills him—only after he has treated her terribly, humiliating her both sexually and mentally. (This humiliation could happen without the jealousy-driven act of violence as well.)


On the other hand, there could be a happy ending. The relationship between Hutch and Addison grows stronger as Vivian becomes more corrupted by Christian. This leads to an inevitable divorce, and Addison eventually becomes Hutch’s girlfriend, later wife, empowering him to stand up to Christian and change his life.

Another happy option is that Vivian leaves Hutch, and Addison becomes the shoulder to cry on, eventually becoming his new wife and turning his life around. A nastier option is that Hutch realizes the situation is unhealthy, "man-up" with Addison’s help, and divorces Vivian, starting a new relationship with Addison while Christian dumps Vivian for another woman.

I have to admit, I can’t see any ending where Hutch and Vivian stay together unless it involves misery and humiliation for both of them.


That’s my two cents.
 

Ts Lams

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MHi, does anyone have any information about the new update?
The creator mentions that he expects to update the game every 4 months or at least he considers a reasonable time, under this idea let's hope the end of April or the beginning of May, god willing that if hahahaha
 

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I'm impressed! Gentlemen!
I downloaded this game* and the idea and script were well constructed. What they call a game* ME in this model where the creator guides the story as he sees fit and WE remain just as spectators of the "fourth wall" type.
The characters, modeling and the way the rhythm or action develops are also very interesting.
The result is clear to see, as is the enthusiasm of the crowd in relation to building a kind of story parallel to the original idea.
This DEV ended up influencing a good part of other developers. Considering the launch of TITLES with the same idea of Wife and mother, traitor.
NO, no, gentlemen, don't even mention that other "character" who has been "messing up" a story for almost eight years. This one came here, unpretentious and put his cards on the table.
So far he doesn't seem to me to be just another SPOILED BRAIN in the crowd that makes excuses and gives up on the project.
Yes.
This is a platform like "Captain Hook", yes, we are opportunists and there are those who CANNOT EVEN imagine PAYING a SUBSCRIPTION to support this or that.
Well.
But back to the track of my comment.
IMPRESSIVE!
How this DEV is RENTING triplex in people's heads.
And it was just the LAUNCH.
And let's not repeat a JOKER II
In the sequel. Good luck. And to you. Control your emotions and lower your expectations.
 

PedroDeLara

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I'm impressed! Gentlemen!
I downloaded this game* and the idea and script were well constructed. What they call a game* ME in this model where the creator guides the story as he sees fit and WE remain just as spectators of the "fourth wall" type.
The characters, modeling and the way the rhythm or action develops are also very interesting.
The result is clear to see, as is the enthusiasm of the crowd in relation to building a kind of story parallel to the original idea.
This DEV ended up influencing a good part of other developers. Considering the launch of TITLES with the same idea of Wife and mother, traitor.
NO, no, gentlemen, don't even mention that other "character" who has been "messing up" a story for almost eight years. This one came here, unpretentious and put his cards on the table.
So far he doesn't seem to me to be just another SPOILED BRAIN in the crowd that makes excuses and gives up on the project.
Yes.
This is a platform like "Captain Hook", yes, we are opportunists and there are those who CANNOT EVEN imagine PAYING a SUBSCRIPTION to support this or that.
Well.
But back to the track of my comment.
IMPRESSIVE!
How this DEV is RENTING triplex in people's heads.
And it was just the LAUNCH.
And let's not repeat a JOKER II
In the sequel. Good luck. And to you. Control your emotions and lower your expectations.
Game*
Well, I don't consider this to be a game. But in general, I'm explaining my perception that what we access is a story with points of animation. In some cases, we are offered "alternative routes", a derivation, but the track to the main script, the backbone of the story, is ahead.
But if you call what you do a GAME, you like it and that's how you see it. Satisfy your will and desire.
Happy New Year to all.
 

HennKyun

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So what you're saying is... "she did the wrong thing, for the right reason".
She did the right thing, for the wrong reasons. She should've done it for personal pleasure. Nothing is greater than being an unrestrained slut. I suppose breaking those restraints could be better, which is what we'll see :devilish:.
 

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my thoughts might not be clear in this post so bear with my ramblings.

there is a fine line between lust an love
very true and a distinction easy to make for men than women. men being objective/goal oriented(not saying men dont have values) have a easier time with discerning lust from love.what distinguishes men from the boys in the values accompanied with those goals. that's my experience. regarding the question about what draws us to ntr(hard ntr= dunno whats the difference) is varies depending on the individual. like different readers having different reactions to the story of this kn. different factors draw people to ntr. me being a curious individual and hobby psychologist, tend to explore the darker side of happy life. ntr is just one of those darker side of things. it might be different for others. we can delve deep into this topic but would be leading away from the focus of this thread that is the kn.

Interesting so do you mean ego driven douchebags in real life and those who play the games that way?

So I guess the Millon dollar question is what do you get from seeing someone else in pain as a third party , like what draws you in about it , is it like a power by proxy sort of thing?

Like I could see the appeal to people that have been victims of NTR themselves enjoying witnessing someone else in pain as it's not then this time it's like a release or a relief to them almost like aww thank god it's not me sort of thing

So for context il elaborate when I tend to gravitate to the husband/partner that's the victim and honestly it's really pretty simple I've always been a sucker for an underdog , be it films , TV shows ,sport , games you name it I part of me can't help but wanna root for the underdog

Like I don't project myself into the position of the character or anything like that , as it does absolutely nothing for me I tend to view it almost like it's David Vs Goliath haha
dunno about the rest here but i think men in general(in real life) are able to identify a ego driven douchebags easily.

if it's from the views of the ego driven douchebags then its clearly control and some sort of trauma of the ego dbag has. i'll talk about this a bit later as i need to think on this topic.

dont think its the power by proxy that draws the man in as a third party but to protect and help those in need. thats y you gravitate to the underdog, that's my reason for rooting for hutch.

i posted about this before as well men basically can be explained by these 3 instincts(traits or whatever else they can be labeled as). hunter(predator)/ protector / provider. the first, hunter(predator) is a bit indecisive as it changes based on nurture. the other 2 are very clear-cut and present in men in varying levels. so taking these 3 instincts and grading them on a scale of 10 some will have 3 4 3 which is quite common and in hutch's case its 0 2 8 is what i would say. from his actions. seems a bit harsh but thats how i see his reactions to how i grade his traits.

i'm sure no one wants to project themselves in the position of the characters but to get a deeper understanding you need to see some commonalities. which again mean relating/projecting themselves. unless you have experienced it in real-life. the number of questions you keep raising feels like a therapy session about dealing with fetishes. :D

The beauty of MHB lies in its exploration of a potential life path that, while highly unlikely, still guides the reader into a believable scenario. I think the story is very strong in psychological terms, as it’s easy to immerse yourself in it.

Story-wise, it’s a great game. I agree with Xert13 and Chaotic Justice. The NTR aspect here is not about cuckoldry. Hutch doesn’t like it. On the contrary, he loathes the situation and feels that his world is falling apart. The sad truth is that there are people who are spineless, so while the possibility of a similar story happening is slim, it still lies within the realm of possibility. One example would be polyamorous relationships. In most cases, it is the dominant spouse who initiates this situation, with the submissive spouse agreeing because they don’t want to lose their dominant partner. While the odds are small and most people would not act this way, this is still something that exists in the real world.

Luc77, the chances of anyone acting as you suggested are very slim. Here, I agree with JoeBlogs that there are many other more realistic outcomes to explore. These could include saving until one finds a better job, starting at a lower-paying position and working your way up, taking out student loans, etc. Regarding Vivian’s behavior, she loves her husband, but her actions show a flaw in her personality and might suggest she is also a submissive type. There are people like that. They might seem formidable on the outside, but if you press the right buttons, they can be like "clay in the hands of the creator".


I’ll start from my household: If Christian had tried this with my wife, he’d probably need surgery, as my wife would kick his balls to oblivion (she’s a martial artist and now a triathlete). Moreover, she would press charges and sue him for sexual harassment. So, I believe most women would react to this situation with anything from complete silence (including not telling their spouse) to a full-blown rage attack on someone like Chrstian.


From my personal point of view, if my wife did what Vivian did, I’d divorce her in a heartbeat. Moreover, if my wife ever suggested an open marriage or polyamorous relationship, that would be the end of the line for me—and I would expect the same if I suggested something similar to her.

Having been married for 30 years, with the usual ups and downs of any normal couple, the scenario you presented is simply outside the realm of possibility.

Returning to the story, good storytelling makes us emotionally invested, which is why you and I have such strong reactions to it. It touches a nerve, albeit not a real one. We think about it and explore the "What If" scenarios (a normal fantasy for a few minutes, with no real connection to real life). We introspect, express our emotions, and then move on.

Now, here’s my take on the story: Hutch feels self-defeated, and due to his lack of social skills (specifically social awkwardness), he feels hopeless and in a dead-end situation. Bear in mind, he has professional self-esteem and would not agree to work in a lower-grade or lower-paying job (a normal reaction to the situation). From his perspective, he feels inferior to Christian and prefers that his wife continue meeting Christian. Eventually, he begs Vivian to return to him at the end of the day. This is not just self-defeating behavior—this is an inability to stand up to Christian. The most striking example of this, without the sexual context, is George McFly relationship with (his boss) Biff Tannen in Back to the Future.

Having said all of the above, I want to enter the realm of speculation about how dark (yet still realistic) the story could get, and suggest some potentially satisfying endings, ranging from happy to tragic.


Before doing so, don’t forget Addison. She has strong feelings for Hutch and could play a crucial role in the events to come. Unlike Vivian, who succumbs to Christian, Addison strongly loathes douchebags. So, Christian’s so-called charm doesn’t work on her—in fact, it elicits the opposite response. She is much more in favor of guys like Hutch.

One way the story could unfold is that Christian corrupts Vivian to the point where she leaves/divorces Hutch. This would be devastating to both Hutch and Vivian. Eventually, Christian would likely replace Vivian with a younger "toy," casting her aside. This would be a dark, satisfying ending to the story. Hutch would never recover from Vivian’s betrayal and would be alone for the rest of his life (if you want a final dramatic event, he could end his life). Vivian would be tossed aside, knowing that Hutch would never forgive her, leaving her to mourn the loss of both her husband and lover. She’d have time to reflect on her actions. But to make things worse, she might either end up alone (unlikely and unrealistic), marry someone like Hutch (thus repeating the vicious cycle), or end up with a douchebag who would throw her out (karma, right?). This is a potentially satisfying dark ending.


Another option, also dark but more intense, is that Vivian loses her mind as Christian introduces a new woman into his life. In a fit of jealousy, she kills him—only after he has treated her terribly, humiliating her both sexually and mentally. (This humiliation could happen without the jealousy-driven act of violence as well.)


On the other hand, there could be a happy ending. The relationship between Hutch and Addison grows stronger as Vivian becomes more corrupted by Christian. This leads to an inevitable divorce, and Addison eventually becomes Hutch’s girlfriend, later wife, empowering him to stand up to Christian and change his life.

Another happy option is that Vivian leaves Hutch, and Addison becomes the shoulder to cry on, eventually becoming his new wife and turning his life around. A nastier option is that Hutch realizes the situation is unhealthy, "man-up" with Addison’s help, and divorces Vivian, starting a new relationship with Addison while Christian dumps Vivian for another woman.

I have to admit, I can’t see any ending where Hutch and Vivian stay together unless it involves misery and humiliation for both of them.


That’s my two cents.
*BOW* that first line in your post and dropping the pearls of wisdom about the various issues in this kn. (y)

i'll be referencing between Chaoticjustice xert13 John Smith Jr. so bear with me if im not clear. the question raised by chaotic and views of xert are valid in their individual views but can be different for others. like how johnsmith or joe posting their views about the turn of events could be different in the kn. from their reasoning. as hard as it is to believe the string of events SC Stories has laid out for us in the kn, the real life logic makes more sense and rebukes those series of events. that is one of the reasons readers have a strong reaction to what takes place. xert as he stated before about refuting dukes cuck theories but both parties have valid reasoning. since we don't know what might happen. each believing in their reasons and posting their views on how the kn might progress.

in a similar manner the conversation between chaotic and duke also talks about a lot of varied topics which will in the end lead away from this thread if addressed. to keep it relevant we should stick to the facts we know in the kn about the ntr aspect of things and not trying to understand the community and their reasons for whatever theories they come up with. unless they want to talk about that.

circling back to the trauma, having thought about it... its something thats not a good topic to discuss here i think.

PS: i didn't mention JoeBlogs as i feel we both have very similar or sometimes identical views.

losing clients = loss job = loss of material status=loss of savings=risk of losing son's future (education)/everything
if it could be avoided by having sex with husband boss, i have no questions :)
Vivian did the only thing that could effectively help
i know you are just stating the given facts but its an oversimplification, that's what it feels like... i wrote about this before as well... the road to hell is paved with good intentions. this was what came to mind when i first tried to find some sort of justification for vivians actions.
 
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