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Astr3

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It's a kinetic novel. There IS no gameplay. Bragging about it taking you longer to read isn't the big, bad burn you think it is, bruh...

To be clear, idc about this game. I have no interest in kinetic novels. I'm actually here bc I know someone has the a game I'm blanking on in their sig. I just think the premise for your entire defense of this game is completely fucking ridiculous.

People have every right to be critical of a game. Their opinions have just as much value as your mindless praise. We all seek and value different things in the games we play. It should be up to the dev, or the potential devs these comments may inspire, whether or not to use that criticism. Bc, guess what, there is a market for that other guys preferences, too. Not just yours.

For example, I find Elden Ring to be mid af - not bc it's hard, but bc the storytelling and character writing are just fucking lazy. Imagine using a storytelling tool you were forced to use a decade ago due to a lack of time and money a decade later, intentionally, bc you're not competent enough to tell the story in a traditional manner. Yet I still understand why people enjoy the game. I respect that they find pleasure in it. That doesn't mean my critique of the game doesn't have value. I've got BG3 and Expedition 33 to fill that character driven narrative I desire - my preference in games has just as large of a market. And neither invalidate the other. They can co-exist. And, if FromSoft does make a game with more traditional storytelling while continuing to use the item descriptions and keep their style of combat, there's not a person out there that doesn't think that game would be even more successful than Elden Ring. As it is, Elden Ring was already a small step in that direction - it just didn't go far enough for most people. Yet it still sold tens of millions of copies - that's just room for them to improve. Not the destruction of who they are as a developer.
circle games isn't fromsoft, and the same goes for most of the devs in here, it's just one guy alone working his ass off to get somthing good. Do you have any ideas of how much times it takes to get the images you want right with ai, then edits them on photoshop and place them together, make the entire dialogues ? plus there is the making of animations and va, which is something that is done by someone else than circle, and i bet it takes some time too. You sometime have to remember behind those games it's most of the time one guy or one girl working his or her ass off, and sometimes they also have jobs aside (even if it's not the case with circle). What i'm saying is, okay the update is short, but if you follow the process that circle describe through his patreon and on his discord, there is no milking, just a guy who works on his project like a normal job, who is clear on "if you don't want to sub because of the delay it takes for the update releases or the size of them, it's completly okay". There is absolutly no reason at all to be this salty about it. Okay you don't like kinectic novels, but at least before you post a salty comment, think about the amount of work there is behind.
 

Paarl

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i have a question, why all the games made with AI arts, they need to have ntr? is a contract?
 

Oli3104

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I didnt try the update but from the comments, it looks like a let down, not enough scenes/time, and yeah it's been sometime since chap 5 and all of that for 2 quick updates, even though he wasnt 100% of the time here, but come on, you better make a big chap 6 update in a quick time window or it will be officially a milking project, the more the story progresses, the less the content created in a longer development time, even though he's supposedly on it full-time, dude released faster and good amount when it was a side project lol.
This is my biggest fear, that people will stop playing the game due to lack of progression and stop donating to the game developer and he will drop the game, but it seems that questioning this makes the most obsessed fans stressed.
 

SymbioticLife

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No, obviously there's no contract or conspiracy forcing AI-art games to include NTR. It's just that NTR is a high-demand fetish, and AI is on rocket fuel right now — so you're seeing a lot more of these.
To be fair, with AI CG NTS/NTR are both over represented compared to other popular genres like Harem and Dating sim. I can't fully explain it myself, despite being part of a few of these NTS dev teams. I myself have no particular preference for one or the other (that is to say, harem vs NTS) but rather in the narrative and design. Although it is perhaps worth noting that a lot of the recent NTS games include harem elements, a trend that CG arguably started.
 

Lounatick

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To be fair, with AI CG NTS/NTR are both over represented compared to other popular genres like Harem and Dating sim. I can't fully explain it myself, despite being part of a few of these NTS dev teams. I myself have no particular preference for one or the other (that is to say, harem vs NTS) but rather in the narrative and design. Although it is perhaps worth noting that a lot of the recent NTS games include harem elements, a trend that CG arguably started.
I didn’t particularly look into it, so I’ll take your word for it. Though I think it’s probably just a side effect of the sheer number of AI-made games — since it’s easier and faster to create them, we’re seeing a lot more overall. And when someone fixates on something (like NTR), it tends to feel like it’s everywhere. More games = more NTR games.
But hey, maybe I’m wrong — and honestly, as long as we’re getting more NTR content, I’m happy with that. :D
 
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SymbioticLife

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Let's first set the boundaries — reread and reread again what I write and take note.

In all my reviews I wrote that the plot more or less goes its own way. I'm not angry at the game, I'm not complaining about the game — I'm fine with that.

It seems to me that you are a little funny, because in this forum you often see dialogues from the developer's perspective. I am very happy for you that you communicated with several developers, but criticism is primarily a movement toward progress.

Stagnation is when, in Discord, you're literally forced to rewrite the plot. And because of these doubts, perhaps, there are delays.

Looking at these two DLCs, it's already clear that CG has tasted this sweet flavor — realizing they can shove DLCs at us instead of delivering a full chapter, and that the project can go on endlessly.

I will give you an allegory: when a president has been in power for a long time, he literally does not let go of his chair. He has already tasted the flavor of power and will rule until death.
Look, I do agree insofar as I think the last two updates ideally would have been somewhat quicker. The rewrite from last update if that's what you're referring to was a one off and took almost no time at all from what I know (I joined the team after, but the rewrite I do not think took much time at all). CG himself admitted to writers block this update, and that did kill time, but that had nothing to do with the discord. On the contrary, perhaps it would have been better had he reached out to us (the team) to help, I don't know. But that comes back to what I said earlier about how he has his own vision, it's the opposite of what you think he actually is very committed to the way he wants things (which is a good thing, but can mean it's harder to help him when he's stuck). Either way, hopefully he doesn't hit writers block again at the very least.

All this being said I do not think CG is intentionally milking, or that he doesn't have big ideas or passion. That's not the vibe I've gotten from any of my conversations with him.
 
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btrain33

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No, obviously there's no contract or conspiracy forcing AI-art games to include NTR. It's just that NTR is a high-demand fetish, and AI is on rocket fuel right now — so you're seeing a lot more of these.
Lol...all these AI NTR games are cookie cutter with both plot/story and character models. There are several games on F95 recently that are basically the same:

Dev #1: AI write me an NTR story and also do the renders
AI: Ok here's your story - beta MC get's cucked
AI: Here's your renders - all female characters will have 8 packs and balloon tits
AI: Ttitle of game will be - NTR Phone (something) app

Dev #2: AI write me an NTR story and also do the renders
AI: Ok here's your story - beta MC get's cucked
AI: Here's your renders - all female characters will have 8 packs and balloon tits
AI: Ttitle of game will be - NTR (something) Phone Group Chat

Dev #3: AI write me an NTR story and also do the renders
AI: Ok here's your story - beta MC get's cucked
AI: Here's your renders - all female characters will have 8 packs and balloon tits
AI: Ttitle of game will be - Phone NTR (something, something)

It's an AI AVN NTR factory.
 

wommerrx

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My only fear is that this game will become just another generic BBC game with a pathetic MC who only watches his wife do everything, because even in a scene where Rob is not present they talk about him, imagine when Rob is there, SymbioticLife said that this will not happen and that the MC will not be a cuck, so the only thing I can do is trust his words, even though the game gives strong indications that the BBC will be the main center of the game.
 

SymbioticLife

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My only fear is that this game will become just another generic BBC game with a pathetic MC who only watches his wife do everything, because even in a scene where Rob is not present they talk about him, imagine when Rob is there, SymbioticLife said that this will not happen and that the MC will not be a cuck, so the only thing I can do is trust his words, even though the game gives strong indications that the BBC will be the main center of the game.
I've already covered this topic so many time's it's exhausting. It is obvious to anyone with eyes CG likes the BBC fetish, and that will continue to be A theme. It is also not even close to the only or primary axis of the game, and I obviously can't spoil too much of what Cg has told me for obvious reasons, but suffice it to say that there's a very rigorous attempt at a balanced approach and even some very unique looks at flipping the trope.

I can't say more than that, ultimately if you absolutely hate the BBC fetish some scenes at the very least will not appeal. But on the whole this plot is not meant to be a typical BBC domination story, even if that is a trope that will be played around with (along with many other tropes of completely different types).

In terms of Eric being some loser cuck, was never the goal, is still not the goal, and I honestly don't see how people still feel that way after his evolution. Apparently Ari's just so easy the scene didn't matter, apparently those commentators are casanova and getting slutty 10s to give them double blowjobs I imagine. Either way, Eric is also going to continue to develop, as will the female cast.

Because I can't spoil things I can't say "X will happen and Y will happen and if Y isn't enough to make X OK for you then move on" you know, like I have to be vague.
 
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