VN Ren'Py My New Girlfriend [Ch.6 Final] [CircleGames]

[ruby_rubicon]

The second option: Eric and Vi eventually break up... Vi continues her photo sessions with Bruce... Anya doesn't miss this golden opportunity to claim Eric for herself.

That's actually a solid and much better option than a Bang half the city come back to me love story. More dramatic and a lot of development and identity fulfillment.

 

[Lady Lydia]

It's more expansive with extra images and dialgue. Anya's dressing room scene was done alittle differently. Vi finally admitted she wants to abandon her old self and become a pornstar, but we're "slow burning it" and her dick sucking pics got taken out, even though she still licks the cock and sucks the balls, but putting it in her mouth was just too darn far. Even though the guy wanted to leave, but Vi insisted he stayed and play.

Sometimes what the dev says and does contradicts each other and that's why there's all this controversy surrounding the game right now.

The issue so many such games suffer goes back to my last comment, realistically everyone has a different take on stuff, some people have a definition of NTS and others have a different one, it doesn't help with the reality of having several elements that sorta mix up, NTR is different than NTS, but how exactly? To what extent? One of the major arguing point here has been simply that, the extent, those that like NTR and that look at NTS favor a more loose form of relationship that is closer to NTR, while those that don't, favor a definition that is closer to what is expected out of a Vanilla relationships.

So Vi's actions were interpreted as justified by those that believe that the vague simple agreement between her & Erik gives her a pass at doing anything she wants, while those that aren't fans of NTR believe that their is some degree of restraint that should be expected and she went too far. Both sides can't agree because fundamentally we only agree on the fairly loose definition of what NTS is supposed to represent. Neither sides will budge because we each have our kinks & issues and like everything in society nowadays its basically a win or die on that hill over every conflicts of opinion.

Now it doesn't help that the Devs are just like everybody else, they have their kinks and issues and their definitions for everything varies just as much as everyone else, so it gives off a contradictory impression. Here the Dev said Vi was on the NTS path, now if the Dev is a fan of NTR it means that everything she did originally might be justified, while if the Dev isn't a fan of NTR he didn't really think of the full implication of her actions until the shitstorm hit. Which is why their was some change in her actions. If you used what I am saying as an example, some of my comments were far more aggressive than others, because I was more emotional than other times, the same happen to the Dev, they write the narrative while being in a mood, when that mood pass they feel differently about their narrative and since this is a digital media its easier to change the course of the narrative than it would be for something like a book.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

The issue so many such games suffer goes back to my last comment, realistically everyone has a different take on stuff, some people have a definition of NTS and others have a different one, it doesn't help with the reality of having several elements that sorta mix up, NTR is different than NTS, but how exactly? To what extent? One of the major arguing point here has been simply that, the extent, those that like NTR and that look at NTS favor a more loose form of relationship that is closer to NTR, while those that don't, favor a definition that is closer to what is expected out of a Vanilla relationships.

So Vi's actions were interpreted as justified by those that believe that the vague simple agreement between her & Erik gives her a pass at doing anything she wants, while those that aren't fans of NTR believe that their is some degree of restraint that should be expected and she went too far. Both sides can't agree because fundamentally we only agree on the fairly loose definition of what NTS is supposed to represent. Neither sides will budge because we each have our kinks & issues and like everything in society nowadays its basically a win or die on that hill over every conflicts of opinion.

Now it doesn't help that the Devs are just like everybody else, they have their kinks and issues and their definitions for everything varies just as much as everyone else, so it gives off a contradictory impression. Here the Dev said Vi was on the NTS path, now if the Dev is a fan of NTR it means that everything she did originally might be justified, while if the Dev isn't a fan of NTR he didn't really think of the full implication of her actions until the shitstorm hit. Which is why their was some change in her actions. If you used what I am saying as an example, some of my comments were far more aggressive than others, because I was more emotional than other times, the same happen to the Dev, they write the narrative while being in a mood, when that mood pass they feel differently about their narrative and since this is a digital media its easier to change the course of the narrative than it would be for something like a book.

I agree with the other guy that adherence to some niche foreign terms in this context is silly. Sure - I understand these can just be employed as placeholders to represent tastes, but it sure seems to devolve into a "my side"/"your side" quickly in this paradigm.

I I think it's good he pulled back on the vi bj - not out of fear of cheaty behavior - indeed it's in line with what they talked about prior, but from a player perspective it'll be more enjoyable to see that bridge crossed with more fanfare instead of a small afterthought in the form of text messages.

I still think the Anya thing goes too fast, I say that not from a ntr/nts whatever blah perspective, but from a worldbuilding view - she's supposed to be this sheltered sibling, and all of the sudden it's "whip it out for me stepbro!" I get it's a porn story but cmon.

 

[norybrg]

Seriously? That’s it for an update? Months just to add a few more renders to the same scene as the last one? Kinda disappointing.

 

[Alluman]

Ill go ahead and say you must been hate playing this game to not realize Vi wants to be bad to get a reaction out of Eric to truly be cheating or not communicating would be not telling him at all of her misadventures when hes not around. The reason Bruce has pull with Vi is because unlike people like her dad telling her to be the good girl Bruce is doing the opposite telling her to be bad and show more of what she wants to be for who her boyfriend. Same with the Sai situation when eric wasn't around she told him how bad she was being and like he's said so many times he's cool with her being bad because she's doing it for him and secondly for herself because she knows eric will learn of it and come "Punish" her. Like the tags say this will be romance and as a plus harem which means eric at some point will have all the women lusting after him with his queen Vi at the top.

To be honest, with that kind of logic, one shouldn't bother continuing any discussion at all... But alright, that's an "interesting" line of reasoning you've got there, which led you to conclude that I must hate this game because I supposedly don't understand Vi's motivations?

I won't bother either confirming or denying anything regarding my alleged "hatred" for the game... However, I will add one thing: I play this game, I spend my free time on it, and I write lengthy comments about THIS VERY game! So my actions speak louder than any words—especially yours.

 

[Nurikabe]

Bro I've been arguing this for several pages now. They're clearly not reading the dialogue and keep arguing about tag definitions and how they think the story should go. Then when you directly quote the game, you get, clap back.

I've even posted screen shots of what the dev has said about tags and his definition of NTS. As long as Erik enjoys it he said and that he's doesn't care about tags.

They don't want to see any if that lol

It's pretty clear through the dialogue now what both and Vi and Erik expect from each other. Permission has already been granted to experiment with other people.

It is important to understand that everyone approaches things from their own perspective. You see it the way you see it because of your experiences. You even interpret the things the dev posts from your perspective. That doesn't make you right or wrong; as it doesn't make anyone else right or wrong. It is all about perspective. What makes these discussions fun is perspective. We all bring a different viewpoint. Forums like these are created to leverage that perspective and engage fans.

Sure, there may be some things that may be open to less interpretation. The dev's comments can be questioned and verified. That doesn't mean it is entirely true or factual. Take this comment:

I've even posted screen shots of what the dev has said about tags and his definition of NTS. As long as Erik enjoys it he said and that he's doesn't care about tags.

"As long as Eric enjoys it..." This is the biggest problem I have with NTS/NTR games these days. A dev can say that and it erases any rules or precedent setup in the story. It gives them free rein to later claim, "It isn't NTR because Eric enjoys it." So a scene that would clearly be considered NTR (by most), like giving a blow job (or licking someone's cock and balls) without permission, being present, or previous consent, becomes, "Eric enjoyed it so it was fine." It is a cop out for the writer. They no longer have to make it make sense. It is a convention used in a lot of these types of stories and I absolutely hate it.

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[Nurikabe]

I still think the Anya thing goes too fast, I say that not from a ntr/nts whatever blah perspective, but from a worldbuilding view - she's supposed to be this sheltered sibling, and all of the sudden it's "whip it out for me stepbro!" I get it's a porn story but cmon.

I agree! But I accept it as we don't want Anya's story to lag too far behind the rest of the explosive development of Vi's and Ari's story.

The way I reconcile her rapid development is that she is receiving pressure from everyone around her. Pressure from sisters, friends, and even friends of friends. She knows she has to act or lose Eric forever. The scene where Eric ditches her and she tears up is powerful because she feels the pressure of the clock on top of the fact that she just jumped outside her comfort zone and gave a major part of herself to the man she loves, and he fucking walks away with a, "but I'll buy you the dress." UGH! Painful!

 

[yourmomma]

It is important to understand that everyone approaches things from their own perspective. You see it the way you see it because of your experiences. You even interpret the things the dev posts from your perspective. That doesn't make you right or wrong; as it doesn't make anyone else right or wrong. It is all about perspective. What makes these discussions fun is perspective. We all bring a different viewpoint. Forums like these are created to leverage that perspective and engage fans.

Sure, there may be some things that may be open to less interpretation. The dev's comments can be questioned and verified. That doesn't mean it is entirely true or factual. Take this comment:

"As long as Eric enjoys it..." This is the biggest problem I have with NTS/NTR games these days. A dev can say that and it erases any rules or precedent setup in the story. It gives them free rein to later claim, "It isn't NTR because Eric enjoys it." So a scene that would clearly be considered NTR (by most), like giving a blow job (or licking someone's cock and balls) without permission, being present, or previous consent, becomes, "Eric enjoyed it so it was fine." It is a cop out for the writer. They no longer have to make it make sense. It is a convention used in a lot of these types of stories and I absolutely hate it.

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It's a porn game. It's not that deep.

 

[Nurikabe]

It's a porn game. It's not that deep.

For you. There are a couple hundred pages of comments that would disagree with your take.

 

[Baalzie]

It's a porn game. It's not that deep.

Yourmomma is probably deeper...

 

[Zobra]

and he fucking walks away with a, "but I'll buy you the dress."

can't blame the dude tbh , we talking about Anya , the only sweet girl left (compared to others) in this game (her encounters with Luke from SOAmbition was hilarious , Erik & Luke could be best friends (nts with them will be awesome) but i heard crossover is ...over ?)

but yeah , the writing i guess ruined the moment , he will be shocked/surprised but he should've be more understanding of her situation (trying to impress him) , he must apologize/show her his big sausage or she might end up with someone else to be her first , then get attached to him

 

[ChO_fr]

they write the narrative while being in a mood, when that mood pass they feel differently about their narrative and since this is a digital media its easier to change the course of the narrative than it would be for something like a book.

You nailed it here.
Circle tends to write parts of the script in one go, and when he does sometimes he just "lets if flow".
It has happened before in the Anya "DLC" for Chapter 5, and was the case for Ari's scene here.
Sometimes the mood matches with his underlying intent for the scene and the character state, but sometimes not.
That is why he decides to rewrite these parts when he realizes it afterwards.

Seriously? That’s it for an update? Months just to add a few more renders to the same scene as the last one? Kinda disappointing.

You had probably missed the Chapter 6 initial release, a couple of weeks ago.
This update contains significant revisions and polish to the latest content update.

 

[Nurikabe]

can't blame the dude tbh , we talking about Anya , the only sweet girl left (compared to others) in this game (her encounters with Luke from SOAmbition was hilarious , Erik & Luke could be best friends (nts with them will be awesome) but i heard crossover is ...over ?)

but yeah , the writing i guess ruined the moment , he will be shocked/surprised but he should've be more understanding of her situation (trying to impress him) , he must apologize/show her his big sausage or she might end up with someone else to be her first , then get attached to him

My only consolation is the hope of the harem. Although it is a "sharing harem" whatever that means. Pretty sure Eric will end up with all the women but he will also watch them all be taken by other men. That could be hot as long as Eric always comes out on top (harem logic). But in this single case, I want Eric and Anya to be selfish; she is just for him. Yes, that is ridiculous, I know.

Dev said no more crossover.

You nailed it here.
Circle tends to write parts of the script in one go, and when he does sometimes he just "lets if flow".
It has happened before in the Anya "DLC" for Chapter 5.
Sometimes the mood matches with his underlying intent for the scene and the character state, but sometimes not.
That is why he decides to rewrite these parts when he realizes it afterwards.

I consider that ability to rewrite and amend so easily a huge advantage. As writers, we can reverse trajectory on something that just doesn't work. Make it right. Of course, it does put the negative critiques at the forefront of the mind and can cause constant editing an the dreaded "rework."

 

[el diablo rojo]

While I deplore the basement dwellers who are so hung up on NTS and NTR, personally I think that the developers' changes have nothing to with that at all. It's about his bank account and how much work he needs to put into this game that everyone so clearly loves and is passionate about. MNGF is one of the top 5-10 games currently running and I think he wants to draw it out for as long as he can. Increase the amount of time that his game is in "development" and make as much money as possible while the game is popular. Anya going from an aroused but shy girl into "stepbro, I wanna suck your cock, now!" moved her story line ahead too rapidly and the same goes for Violet sucking cock. Circle realized he made a huge strategic monetary mistake by showing Violet with a cock at all but since he did, he tried to compromise with a reduced scene that only pleases a minority that are obsessed with NTS.

I don't care what CircleGames says his reasons are for the changes, the more months and chapters that he can make money on Patreon and other formats are the real reason for him dialing the game back.

Circle already has the AI templates for the characters and a bunch of locations so it's less work to just keep a visual novel without choice paths rolling then to bring the game to conclusion and start another. There is risk with a new game, it might not be as good and catch on with followers, not to mention the added work and development time of starting the rendering process from scratch.

 

[FuhQ6969]

OK, so updated the patch for Chapter 6.

All references to "Laura" are changed to Mom.

And, as always all step-this and step-that are now this and that.

Should still work for step- stuff past chapter 6, but "laura" still has to be checked over to ensure it makes sense to change it to "mom".

UPDATE: there was nothing to correct in the silver version. But, I uploaded a fresh patch anyway, so there'll be no confusion.

Another hero. I already had this crap in the recycle bin about to empty it before coming across this. Still don't understand why devs waste time with stepcest thinking it still works as a censorship-workaround when it doesn't.

 

[palmtrees89]

Still don't understand why devs waste time with stepcest thinking it still works as a censorship-workaround when it doesn't.

It's simply due to Patreon (and other platforms) ToS, and it does work unless it's way too obvious. Just a safety measure for many developers on Patreon&Co as their income depends on it. Not a waste of time at all in any case, IMO. You just remove the blood-related part in your script and replace it (or write it that way to begin with).

 

[Zobra]

he tried to compromise with a reduced scene that only pleases a minority that are obsessed with NTS

well...it a top 5-10 for a reason like you said friend , NTR (cheating-manipulation-lying) as an Optional only but this will kill this cool VN story for sure.

The best first blowjob for V imo should be with a likeable character & in front of Erik not just with random/cocky person (hell even with Sai it will be great) , Sex must be (imo ofc lol) MMF with MC like a sharing first

tho saying obsessed with NTS ... tbf every conversations that i make (or just read the replies) with someone who is into this kink it more lovely & more reasonable than the other kink who's more obsessed with the FMC get blacked while brain torturing MC , not judging here or debating , just my own observation

 

[FuhQ6969]

It's simply due to Patreon (and other platforms) ToS, and it does work unless it's way too obvious. Just a safety measure for many developers on Patreon&Co as their income depends on it. Not a waste of time at all in any case, IMO. You just remove the blood-related part in your script and replace it (or write it that way to begin with).

It specifically bans stepcest in the ToS as well. All it takes is a few people to snitch on it and it's toast. Itch is now even worse, can't even have unrelated people living in the same house for any reason and also fucking = totally stupid, might as well just ban all porn and call it a day, far simpler.

 

[yourmomma]

Maki is Makima from Chainsaw Man and Laura is Rangiku from Bleach. Borrowing characters from Anime or Pixar/Disney is pretty common in AI CG and animations.

 

[Eyepatch1$]

To be honest, with that kind of logic, one shouldn't bother continuing any discussion at all... But alright, that's an "interesting" line of reasoning you've got there, which led you to conclude that I must hate this game because I supposedly don't understand Vi's motivations?

I won't bother either confirming or denying anything regarding my alleged "hatred" for the game... However, I will add one thing: I play this game, I spend my free time on it, and I write lengthy comments about THIS VERY game! So my actions speak louder than any words—especially yours.

I think you really don't understand what hate playing entails...you either like it so keep playing or you don't which means you have the free choice to walk away from this game. If it's obviously going in a direction, you don't like so just cut your losses and move onto something more to your liking. But here you are still playing this update to update and getting more frustrated at something that could be a lot worse than her blowing some guy and Mc finds out later like come on she hasn't even been penetrated yet but some of you are losing your minds and screaming cheater, please reevaluate what game you're playing and make the choice to either drop or get over your personal feelings on what cheating is.