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NewUserIam

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We're definitely on the same page!
But still, sometimes even English words can't fully define things because they’re relative. A leaf is a leaf. There’s a clear definition. But cheating, for example, could mean one thing to me and something completely different to you
The way i see it (This is entirely personal) most want to see MC they can put themselves in. This is why heroes like Batman or Spiderman make sense, they have superpowers but they aren’t immortal. They got daily issues, relationships problems etc. They are relatable.

The biggest issue of NTS games that you can lean too much into one side easily. While trying to validate MC devs turn him into an Alpha Stag, which is unrealistic. Or they crank up the NTS degree till MC becomes a worthless worm, which makes people ask if MC has no honor. Trying to find a balance can be really hard.

The suggestion i give for this aspect is creating different dynamics, such as:

Female 1: Lover of MC, they figure their stuff with MC together under the love aspect of NTS

Female 2: Has a dominant personality, therefore engages in more hardcore NTS with MC (Humiliation etc)

Female 3: Has a submissive personality, engages in sexual acts with MC

People have many layers to their personalities, and can show different reactions to various situations. Expecting MC to act incredibly submissive or dominant to every single LI they encounter creates an unwanted environment for players.
 

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I don't disagree, but I think instead of using NTS, this:



could be changed to something like:


Then there's no doubt what it's going to be and people who are stuck on NTS definitions can't complain.
Omg, you're right! Thank you so much, I didn't realise it... It's been a while since I wrote the overview
 

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The way i see it (This is entirely personal) most want to see MC they can put themselves in. This is why heroes like Batman or Spiderman make sense, they have superpowers but they aren’t immortal. They got daily issues, relationships problems etc. They are relatable.

The biggest issue of NTS games that you can lean too much into one side easily. While trying to validate MC devs turn him into an Alpha Stag, which is unrealistic. Or they crank up the NTS degree till MC becomes a worthless worm, which makes people ask if MC has no honor. Trying to find a balance can be really hard.

The suggestion i give for this aspect is creating different dynamics, such as:

Female 1: Lover of MC, they figure their stuff with MC together under the love aspect of NTS

Female 2: Has a dominant personality, therefore engages in more hardcore NTS with MC (Humiliation etc)

Female 3: Has a submissive personality, engages in sexual acts with MC

People have many layers to their personalities, and can show different reactions to various situations. Expecting MC to act incredibly submissive or dominant to every single LI they encounter creates an unwanted environment for players.
"They are relatable" < That's the whole point. Am I a billionaire like Batman? No. I also don’t have superpowers, etc. But I know that Batman has real-life issues. The whole drama about his family and his relationships is there for a reason: I can relate to that. And if the story is well written, I immerse myself into it

Honestly, I don’t know if there's a problem with NTS games (everyone has different tastes, so...)
All I know is that there are only a few games that create a rich world with deep characters and balance things out
 
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NTR Sommelier

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Things are not black and white, but genre definitions exist for a reason and they are useful. Imagine this: A game that was defined as swinging but one of the partners never gets laid. Of course, in such a situation swinging fans would be angry and with good reason, after all the main point of the fetish is lost. That is how I feel about so many of these western "NTS" games floating around. If a game is presented as NTS at the very least I expect a dynamic where one partner gets permission to sleep with others while the other one remains faithful. The closest (but still not perfect) western equivalent of 寝取らせ (netorase) would be "cuckolding", not stag&vixen or similar lifestyles, as in this scenario MC is passive/submissive (to a greater or lesser extent) in relation to the heroine.
 

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Things are not black and white, but genre definitions exist for a reason and they are useful. Imagine this: A game that was defined as swinging but one of the partners never gets laid. Of course, in such a situation swinging fans would be angry and with good reason, after all the main point of the fetish is lost. That is how I feel about so many of these western "NTS" games floating around. If a game is presented as NTS at the very least I expect a dynamic where one partner gets permission to sleep with others while the other one remains faithful. The closest (but still not perfect) western equivalent of 寝取らせ (netorase) would be "cuckolding", not stag&vixen or similar lifestyles, as in this scenario MC is passive/submissive (to a greater or lesser extent) in relation to the heroine.
I understand what you say and respect it. I mean you are given a word with specific meaning yet when devs go beyond that you rightfully get angry.

I don’t think relationships have to be this strict. I mean you can be involved in cuckolding while having your fun. What i find boring is that (Which i believe we can all agree) when this having fun part goes beyond that and MC starts to build his own harem.

DTZ made his intentions clearer in patreon. I don’t want to spoil that or speak for him, yet i can tell this game won’t have LIs circling around MC to create a fake validation.
 

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Things are not black and white, but genre definitions exist for a reason and they are useful. Imagine this: A game that was defined as swinging but one of the partners never gets laid. Of course, in such a situation swinging fans would be angry and with good reason, after all the main point of the fetish is lost. That is how I feel about so many of these western "NTS" games floating around. If a game is presented as NTS at the very least I expect a dynamic where one partner gets permission to sleep with others while the other one remains faithful. The closest (but still not perfect) western equivalent of 寝取らせ (netorase) would be "cuckolding", not stag&vixen or similar lifestyles, as in this scenario MC is passive/submissive (to a greater or lesser extent) in relation to the heroine.
I'll let someone speak for me :ROFLMAO:

But hey, if you want to know specifically about MTD, no. Ana and the MC won't have an open relationship

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I'm not saying/won’t say much because I’m not a big fan of this particular discussion...

Like... even with a simple tag like Anal Sex, we could debate for hours. Is anal fingering considered anal sex? According to the official definitions, it seems like it is. But if I play an entire game tagged Anal Sex only to get an anal fingering at the end, I’d be pretty mad. Yet, technically, I can’t really complain...

At the end of the day, no one is absolutely wrong
 

NewUserIam

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I'm not saying/won’t say much because I’m not a big fan of this particular discussion...

Like... even with a simple tag like Anal Sex, we could debate for hours. Is anal fingering considered anal sex? According to the official definitions, it seems like it is. But if I play an entire game tagged Anal Sex only to get an anal fingering at the end, I’d be pretty mad. Yet, technically, I can’t really complain...

At the end of the day, no one is absolutely wrong
This discussion is the inevitable part of every NTS game i believe. I am glad people on this thread are capable of maintaining respect. But like you said, time can be spared for better discussions. Like how hot Hellen is and what kind of kinky shit she will pull of.
 
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Madhealzz

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Loved the update, DTZ! Had me laughing out loud at the Pervmaster dialogue :ROFLMAO: I love the artstyle, would you be willing to share which base model you are using for the background art? Dabbling in SD myself and having a hard time getting good empty backgrounds for the sprites
 
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This discussion is the inevitable part of every NTS game i believe. I am glad people on this thread are capable of maintaining respect.
Yeah, it's inevitable. It can be a sensitive topic, but so far, I'm proud of the community!

But like you said, time can be spared for better discussions. Like how hot Hellen is and what kind of kinky shit she will pull of.
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: she's a devil!! Her dialogues are hard to write, but I'm loving it!
 
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Loved the update, DTZ! Had me laughing out loud at the Pervmaster dialogue :ROFLMAO: I love the artstyle, would you be willing to share which base model you are using for the background art? Dabbling in SD myself and having a hard time getting good empty backgrounds for the sprites
Haha, thank you so much! ❤

As for the backgrounds (empty BG), I'd suggest using IMG2IMG or something similar. SDXL is better than SD

By the way, member since 2020 and this is your first message? Wow, I'm honored!
 
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