Others NekoNTR [v0.0.7b] [nekoaddict]

[GammaReborn]

I do believe that Neko can do whatever he wants with his game, and I do agree with a lot of the points said here, but...

Your idea of netorase isn't the end-all be-all definition of netorase - and in that regard 'in a different way than everyone was expecting' doesn't apply because unfortunately you are in the minority with your perspective. All of us, in some way, are in the minority with our perspectives - with different ways we want things to happen, with what we want characters to say or do (or not say or do).

For me pure relatively-wholesome NTS is something to be experienced in small doses - in shorter doujins. For my story, which is a much, much longer story, I think it would just get... boring pretty quickly? My story is clearly a slow(ish)-burn corruption story, and I can't envision that with the purest of the pure NTS. I wouldn't be able to do all the emotion-filled twists and turns I can by dancing between NTR and NTS. NTR and NTS have so many sub-genres and different ways of being explored that I kind of hate the fact that we have those terms at all. Horror is a genre, and yet.. it is a hugely deep topic with countless different ways of being done in media and of course everyone (like NTR/NTS) has their own opinion on it...

I know the player is the 'main character', but from the beginning I've always written things and imagined the story thinking from Vanilla's perspective. It's not about the MC, it's about her. For me it's a corruption story of a cute girl unfortunately targeted by an expert manipulator - her head filled with brainworms day-in day-out until her entire way of thinking becomes compromised. NTR/NTS is a consequence of her ingrained feelings towards her boyfriend, exploring the struggle between that and her newfound increasingly-depraved hobbies. There will be an NTS route, and there already is a humiliation flag set in 0.0.8 that tones down the humiliation towards MC, but it will never be the pure NTS story you and a few others want simply because that's not the way I think about the story.

Also, I don't think I've ever promised a pure NTS route so I'm not sure where this expectation came from. At its core, NTS really comes down to putting her pleasure before your own, no? And generally that's coupled with sexual feelings of inadequacy and a lot of humiliation kinks - y'know, being a cuck. Sexually, she's done with you, but you still remain #1 in her heart - so the humiliation and asking her to cheat etc makes you feel that you're still involved in her sex life? This 'pure NTS' where you have the final say on everything and control every sexual act she does sounds more like swinging to me.

It would be an interesting discussion to continue - I can only really imagine myself in the shoes of Vanilla; my knowledge of the guy's perspective and thoughts about all this is primarily from playing games, reading doujins and talking to people.. so any additional perspectives to be more informed will always be a net positive (even if I don't really see the appeal in swinging/pure NTS)..... buuuuut definitely not on a forum thread

i'm sorry but you are wrong on that, i'm not in the minority(of the ones who like netorase) nor am i wrong with my definition that's just straight wrong
here is the definition of netorase:
A genre of sharing or cuckoldry pornography where a protagonist's love interest has sex with others, which the protagonist enjoys, actively encourages or even causes
it's not in the slightest talking about cheating or netorare, now if you wanted to talk about a subtype of netorase then you should have said so because i though it would have just been normal netorase(and it seems others though so too)

"For me pure relatively-wholesome NTS is something to be experienced in small doses - in shorter doujins. For my story, which is a much, much longer story, I think it would just get... boring pretty quickly?" i don't agree on this but that's subjective anyway, if you feel like it that's fine but imo it's possible to create an interesting and wholesome NTS route/story while keeping it interesting

now as i said it's your game so i'm not gonna talk about plot or whatever you want to put in it and it's definitly possible to pull off a good nts/ntr type of route BUT it's really hard to do without it feeling like a second NTR route and that's why it's worrying while doing a good NTS route is kinda more easy, now i agree NTS can be bland if it's done in a bad way but that's true for a lot of different things(including NTR), if you want my opinion in this i'd say you should flirt with nts without it being completly ntr

"Also, I don't think I've ever promised a pure NTS route so I'm not sure where this expectation came from. At its core, NTS really comes down to putting her pleasure before your own, no?" i mean you are right but since you said netorase we kinda assumed it would be basic netorase, nope i think you misunderstand netorase(at least the basic definition) it's basically a man that enjoy to share his gf/wife it's not about putting down your own pleasure, both takes pleasure in it and likes it

and btw i do like your game and if you want to talk in private about this theme or something i'm up for it

I also thought when you said there would be an NTS route, that it would be similar to the way Keke said, since thats what most NTS are like, not that there aren't sub-parts of it like you said, but you said an NTS route, and thats the expectation. You didn't say it would not be the same NTS as most other NTS route games, but just said there would be an NTS route. Though its your game so if you want to do something different from normal NTS, then don't let anyone stop you, but thanks for the clarification now at least.

 

[nekoaddict]

i'm sorry but you are wrong on that, i'm not in the minority(of the ones who like netorase) nor am i wrong with my definition that's just straight wrong
here is the definition of netorase:
A genre of sharing or cuckoldry pornography where a protagonist's love interest has sex with others, which the protagonist enjoys, actively encourages or even causes
it's not in the slightest talking about cheating or netorare, now if you wanted to talk about a subtype of netorase then you should have said so because i though it would have just been normal netorase(and it seems others though so too)

"For me pure relatively-wholesome NTS is something to be experienced in small doses - in shorter doujins. For my story, which is a much, much longer story, I think it would just get... boring pretty quickly?" i don't agree on this but that's subjective anyway, if you feel like it that's fine but imo it's possible to create an interesting and wholesome NTS route/story while keeping it interesting

now as i said it's your game so i'm not gonna talk about plot or whatever you want to put in it and it's definitly possible to pull off a good nts/ntr type of route BUT it's really hard to do without it feeling like a second NTR route and that's why it's worrying while doing a good NTS route is kinda more easy, now i agree NTS can be bland if it's done in a bad way but that's true for a lot of different things(including NTR), if you want my opinion in this i'd say you should flirt with nts without it being completly ntr

"Also, I don't think I've ever promised a pure NTS route so I'm not sure where this expectation came from. At its core, NTS really comes down to putting her pleasure before your own, no?" i mean you are right but since you said netorase we kinda assumed it would be basic netorase, nope i think you misunderstand netorase(at least the basic definition) it's basically a man that enjoy to share his gf/wife it's not about putting down your own pleasure, both takes pleasure in it and likes it

and btw i do like your game and if you want to talk in private about this theme or something i'm up for it

1) I don't think wikipedia is a good defining source for kink definitions
2) The definition you've referenced to outright say that 'I'm wrong' makes no sense because nowhere in your definition does it explicitly define what the girl is or isn't allowed to do, or what the MC's role in the relationship is. I'm not sure how what you've taken away from that definition is 'The MC is the almighty controller of the girl's sex life and while she has permission to be with other people she is not allowed to do anything without the MC's go-ahead and knowledge of said thing'?

'Netorase' is a broad, ill-defined term that encompasses many sub-definitions (including yours, and including mine) so it's not fair to say I've made my game wrong just because we prefer different things.

 

[Deathcat]

Your idea of netorase isn't the end-all be-all definition of netorase - and in that regard 'in a different way than everyone was expecting' doesn't apply because unfortunately you are in the minority with your perspective. All of us, in some way, are in the minority with our perspectives - with different ways we want things to happen, with what we want characters to say or do (or not say or do).

For me pure relatively-wholesome NTS is something to be experienced in small doses - in shorter doujins. For my story, which is a much, much longer story, I think it would just get... boring pretty quickly? My story is clearly a slow(ish)-burn corruption story, and I can't envision that with the purest of the pure NTS. I wouldn't be able to do all the emotion-filled twists and turns I can by dancing between NTR and NTS. NTR and NTS have so many sub-genres and different ways of being explored that I kind of hate the fact that we have those terms at all. Horror is a genre, and yet.. it is a hugely deep topic with countless different ways of being done in media and of course everyone (like NTR/NTS) has their own opinion on it...

I know the player is the 'main character', but from the beginning I've always written things and imagined the story thinking from Vanilla's perspective. It's not about the MC, it's about her. For me it's a corruption story of a cute girl unfortunately targeted by an expert manipulator - her head filled with brainworms day-in day-out until her entire way of thinking becomes compromised. NTR/NTS is a consequence of her ingrained feelings towards her boyfriend, exploring the struggle between that and her newfound increasingly-depraved hobbies. There will be an NTS route, and there already is a humiliation flag set in 0.0.8 that tones down the humiliation towards MC, but it will never be the pure NTS story you and a few others want simply because that's not the way I think about the story.

Also, I don't think I've ever promised a pure NTS route so I'm not sure where this expectation came from. At its core, NTS really comes down to putting her pleasure before your own, no? And generally that's coupled with sexual feelings of inadequacy and a lot of humiliation kinks - y'know, being a cuck. Sexually, she's done with you, but you still remain #1 in her heart - so the humiliation and asking her to cheat etc makes you feel that you're still involved in her sex life? This 'pure NTS' where you have the final say on everything and control every sexual act she does sounds more like swinging to me.

It would be an interesting discussion to continue - I can only really imagine myself in the shoes of Vanilla; my knowledge of the guy's perspective and thoughts about all this is primarily from playing games, reading doujins and talking to people.. so any additional perspectives to be more informed will always be a net positive (even if I don't really see the appeal in swinging/pure NTS)..... buuuuut definitely not on a forum thread

"For me pure relatively-wholesome NTS is something to be experienced in small doses - in shorter doujins. For my story, which is a much, much longer story, I think it would just get... boring pretty quickly?"

Agree to disagree, then, because this is exactly what I'm craving and I feel like very few people / no one is even attempting to make one. I'm just dreaming here, don't mind me.

Thankfully 'corruption' and 'female protagonist' are literally my two favorite tags! So I'm here for the long haul! Again, much love to you! This game is truly awesome so ignore my mad ramblings, haha!

 

[Thelegit52]

If the games abandon netorase in general, i will still support the dev, i like their work and effort, and how passionate about her game she is, my only suggestion is to keep the netorase route unique, not just netorare lite, personally, i always thought netorase and swinging were basically the same thing, with some differences here and there but basically intertwined, and if that's not the thing you are going for, that's fine, but as men our view is that Vanilla is OUR girlfriend so having control over her is a must, otherwise it would be just an open relationship she she gets to do whatever she wants but we have other things in common like a household for example and that's it, of course not complete control, but knowing her actions ahead of time or at least her reporting it after is a must, otherwise it would be just netorare to me personally at least.

Again, I am really just offering feedback. If the game changes into a first-person shooter in the next update, I will still play and support it. I understand you want to make your own version of netorase and break the norm, and that's awesome, honestly, it keeps us always on our toes, and makes everything less expected and less boring. I just hope we keep the basic netorase aspects where the MC is the 1# for Vanilla, shown through words and actions, but again, regardless, I am super hyped for the new updates, wishing you the best!

 

[GammaReborn]

"For me pure relatively-wholesome NTS is something to be experienced in small doses - in shorter doujins. For my story, which is a much, much longer story, I think it would just get... boring pretty quickly?"

Agree to disagree, then, because this is exactly what I'm craving and I feel like very few people / no one is even attempting to make one. I'm just dreaming here, don't mind me.

Thankfully 'corruption' and 'female protagonist' are literally my two favorite tags! So I'm here for the long haul! Again, much love to you! This game is truly awesome so ignore my mad ramblings, haha!

I would love to see a game like this too, though this is an NTR game, so we can only wait for someone else to make an NTS game like that. But I do agree.

If the games abandon netorase in general, i will still support the dev, i like their work and effort, and how passionate about her game she is, my only suggestion is to keep the netorase route unique, not just netorare lite, personally, i always thought netorase and swinging were basically the same thing, with some differences here and there but basically intertwined, and if that's not the thing you are going for, that's fine, but as men our view is that Vanilla is OUR girlfriend so having control over her is a must, otherwise it would be just an open relationship she she gets to do whatever she wants but we have other things in common like a household for example and that's it, of course not complete control, but knowing her actions ahead of time or at least her reporting it after is a must, otherwise it would be just netorare to me personally at least.

Again, I am really just offering feedback. If the game changes into a first-person shooter in the next update, I will still play and support it. I understand you want to make your own version of netorase and break the norm, and that's awesome, honestly, it keeps us always on our toes, and makes everything less expected and less boring. I just hope we keep the basic netorase aspects where the MC is the 1# for Vanilla, shown through words and actions, but again, regardless, I am super hyped for the new updates, wishing you the best!

If if is abandoned, I will also still support. I agree with your points aswell.

 

[Kekekerkek]

1) I don't think wikipedia is a good defining source for kink definitions
2) The definition you've referenced to outright say that 'I'm wrong' makes no sense because nowhere in your definition does it explicitly define what the girl is or isn't allowed to do, or what the MC's role in the relationship is. I'm not sure how what you've taken away from that definition is 'The MC is the almighty controller of the girl's sex life and while she has permission to be with other people she is not allowed to do anything without the MC's go-ahead and knowledge of said thing'?

'Netorase' is a broad, ill-defined term that encompasses many sub-definitions (including yours, and including mine) so it's not fair to say I've made my game wrong just because we prefer different things.

1) "In Netorase, the partner are actually wanting and willing to make her to have sex with other people. It's basically a willing cuckold. " urban dictionnary
"Unlike Netorare, Netorase features a partner　in a relationship that willing allows their partner to have intercourse with others with no negative emotional effects associated with Netori, or Netorare." dic.pixiv
"Netorase: Netorase represents a variation of NTR that involves consensual involvement or approval from the protagonist's romantic partner." **********
to makes it fair i took 3 more definitions so it's:
1st. the bf is willing and wants it
2nd.it's not netorare/cheating
3rd. no negative emotions for the bf

You are right on that it can be used as a broad term but let's agree that when people talk about netorase they expect the basics of netorase
and i'm NOT saying you made your game wrong ?? i even said i like your game? i just said this is not the netorase we expected which in my opinion is fair to say? and as i said 2 times this is your game so do what you feel like it, if you don't like basics netorase then do your own savor of netorase nobody is gonna harass you(i hope) for what you want to do with your game.(and i'll repeat it I LIKE YOUR GAME)

 

[nekoaddict]

1) "In Netorase, the partner are actually wanting and willing to make her to have sex with other people. It's basically a willing cuckold. " urban dictionnary
"Unlike Netorare, Netorase features a partner　in a relationship that willing allows their partner to have intercourse with others with no negative emotional effects associated with Netori, or Netorare." dic.pixiv
"Netorase: Netorase represents a variation of NTR that involves consensual involvement or approval from the protagonist's romantic partner." **********
to makes it fair i took 3 more definitions so it's:
1st. the bf is willing and wants it
2nd.it's not netorare/cheating
3rd. no negative emotions for the bf

You are right on that it can be used as a broad term but let's agree that when people talk about netorase they expect the basics of netorase
and i'm NOT saying you made your game wrong ?? i even said i like your game? i just said this is not the netorase we expected which in my opinion is fair to say? and as i said 2 times this is your game so do what you feel like it, if you don't like basics netorase then do your own savor of netorase nobody is gonna harass you(i hope) for what you want to do with your game.(and i'll repeat it I LIKE YOUR GAME)

People are already harassing me and I haven't even done anything yet lol

Makes me go "huh nothing is ever going to please these people so why even bother with an NTS route at all?" but luckily as I said you are in fact a vocal minority and I personally want to add an NTS route

 

[Kekekerkek]

People are already harassing me and I haven't even done anything yet lol

Makes me go "huh nothing is ever going to please these people so why even bother with an NTS route at all?" but luckily as I said you are in fact a vocal minority and I personally want to add an NTS route

i'm a vocal minority for saying it's not the netorase we expected and you act like i harass you or did i understood badly? i literraly said 3 times to do what you wanted to do bro don't take it out on me for me it was just a discussion about NTS but i'll apologise anyway if i did hurt you in any way possible i'm sorry for it.
(and btw i like anytype of nts/ntr so whatever you do it doesn't bother me anyway)

 

[GammaReborn]

People are already harassing me and I haven't even done anything yet lol

Makes me go "huh nothing is ever going to please these people so why even bother with an NTS route at all?" but luckily as I said you are in fact a vocal minority and I personally want to add an NTS route

I don't see any harassment from what I've read so far though? Just some people giving opinions, me included. Not trying to make it seem like it's harrasment or anything.

 

[Thelegit52]

I don't see any harassment from what I've read so far though? Just some people giving opinions, me included. Not trying to make it seem like it's harrasment or anything.

I think the dev was referring to others who were so obviously harassing and just being negative for the sake of being negative a week or two ago.

 

[Kekekerkek]

I think the dev was referring to others who were so obviously harassing and just being negative for the sake of being negative a week or two ago.

hope so because i feel bad now lol

 

[Thelegit52]

hope so because i feel bad now lol

Just a misunderstanding, some "opinions" from certain people were just targeted attacks at the dev for no reason other than being negative, toxic, and mean. A lot of those comments, along with their reviews, got deleted because it was just obviously a targeted harassment campaign against the dev, but some of them are still there, I think it was two weeks ago or so.

 

[GammaReborn]

"I play lots of NTR games and that seems to be the general path, eventually MC gets left behind regardless of if explicit consent has been given or not." i agree and even for doujinshi it's like 80% of the time like this

I'd say some other phone game have path where it's full nts like ntr phone and my ntr girlfriend but for visual novels i'd say vulgar reverie and blurring the walls that's all i can think of rn

There is another more wholesome NTS that I can think of called My Girlfriend Fulfills My Netorase Dreams.

 

[GammaReborn]

Just a misunderstanding, some "opinions" from certain people were just targeted attacks at the dev for no reason other than being negative, toxic, and mean. A lot of those comments, along with their reviews, got deleted because it was just obviously a targeted harassment campaign against the dev, but some of them are still there, I think it was two weeks ago or so.

Some people are just negative for the sake of being negative sadly. I have experienced many such people irl.

 

[Kekekerkek]

Just a misunderstanding, some "opinions" from certain people were just targeted attacks at the dev for no reason other than being negative, toxic, and mean. A lot of those comments, along with their reviews, got deleted because it was just obviously a targeted harassment campaign against the dev, but some of them are still there, I think it was two weeks ago or so.

good to know and thanks for the explaination, hope the dev won't be harassed more than that and i didn't want to come off as an harasser, i just wanted to talk about it.

Some people are just negative for the sake of being negative sadly. I have experienced many such people irl.

yeah i agree i have the same experience too

 

[nekoaddict]

Just a misunderstanding, some "opinions" from certain people were just targeted attacks at the dev for no reason other than being negative, toxic, and mean. A lot of those comments, along with their reviews, got deleted because it was just obviously a targeted harassment campaign against the dev, but some of them are still there, I think it was two weeks ago or so.

Those were removed because it was the same person on multiple accounts - 6 accounts in total (all of which had previously posted stuff in this thread). His reviews haven't been removed yet tho

 

[Thelegit52]

Those were removed because it was the same person on multiple accounts - 6 accounts in total (all of which had previously posted stuff in this thread). His reviews haven't been removed yet tho

I believe some of them got removed, but not all. Hopefully, the mods can find out about it soon.

 

[Kekekerkek]

Those were removed because it was the same person on multiple accounts - 6 accounts in total (all of which had previously posted stuff in this thread). His reviews haven't been removed yet tho

well sorry man, i didn't know you were harassed maybe i should have worded better my comments so it comes off as less aggressive.

 

[Htoon]

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I hope I'm not just spaming, but a while back someone said some photos were in the wrong gallery, and I believe it wasn't cleared up.
These photos (7 excluding the 1st and last) appear in Katrina's gallery, but stem from the MC's dreams. If that isn't intentional.

 

[rob_trowy_97]

Am I crazy, or am I the only one who sees this? It's like the whole discussion revolves around the author promising something that contradicts the game description (or even the game name ffs).

NTR is not avoidable

Well, in any case, it's the author's job to discard, ignore, or listen to players' demands, no matter how unreasonable they may be. Faito, nekoaddict! (ง'̀-'́)ง