Illuminati00

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Fully agree with both of you, im really curious how the dev manages the Selena betrayal considering shes one of the (not so many) LI's so far, i really hope we arent forced to forgive her after hearing her sob story invovling her sister but i could imagine it as were quite early in the story and i imagine it would be a (too) big path-split having the rest of the game evolve with her alive or dead, depending on your decision.

Maybe she's somehow able to flee even if we decide to kill her or something like that or she dies anyway even when we forgive her. Imo even on the fully good path i would kill her lol. How else do you want to make sure that nobody fucks with the people you care about? If a good sob-story or being forced into betraying you is good enough to forgive it.

Would be a different story if she had lead the mc himself in a trap, thats forgivebale. But she used Eliza after she sneaked herself into their little group of friends, thats not acceptable, no matter what. Selena made a gamble, she had to consider who's more dangerous, Taron or the MC and she was sure Eliza and MC would be dead after the encounter and she would therefore live. There has to be proper consqeuences .. she could have revealed the whole thing to the mc and eliza and ask them to rescure their sister. But she did decide against it and even taunted Eliza in her cell ..

And i agree that the dev kinda trapped himself a bit about how good Eliza as a LI is, even trying to take her out of the picture due to injuries/kidnapping/important appointments whatever to give the player the possibility the explore other LI's will always feel kinda bad at this point already and like artificial ways to keep you away from you LI which could even lead to the other LI's feeling more annoying as youre forced to spend time with them even when they are fine themselves.

To be honest, even if she would have died, all future romances would still feel kinda tarnished and i would probably prefer a non-Li playthrough afterwards lol.

One reason is the romance between the two of them being so damn good and another one being the setup i think. Like getting a blowjob and licking a pussy of a virgin in medieval times feels more commiting than doing the same drunk at a college party lol.
Exactly. I honestly don't see how this will progress in any desirable way. Eliza's death would honestly make me leave the game, though I doubt it would happen. Not killing Selena will be completely out of character for the MC, yet how would one branch off the story this early? She is still a Love interest, so obviously she is not going to die in all senarios. Perhaps an evil mc will develop some mind control powers to fit her into the story? The dev might have some grand plan about how to go with this, but if so I really don't see it. The romance between him and Eliza is fantastic and incredibly well written. It can also really apeal to most if not all players. Eliza have both a domineering and a submissive personality. Sometimes she mouths off and decides things on her own, yet she still follow the mc, really letting him decide. It makes the player not feel overruled or dominated by her, but it also doesn't feel like your completely dominating her, it is a breath of fresh air from the usual porn relationship tropes on this site. We already have this near perfect relationship. I cannot for the life of me see how anyone is expected to pick somebody else, no matter how interesting characters they are. I may be wrong and might not see some bigger picture, but I feel like the developer has painted himself into a corner.
 

slick97

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Seems lots of the recent discussions around Eliza verified a claim I made earlier about Eliza being the main LI. However, I think the way Buu ended things leads to a bit more nuance that is hard to see given how chapter 3 ends. I'll share all of my thoughts behind a spoiler.

WARNING: Major spoilers for chapter 3 AND 4. If you don't want the beginning of Ch 4 spoiled do not read. You've been fairly warned.
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BuuPlays - Now that I've fully recover from that bombshell of an ending, I was thoroughly impressed with how much content was added in the wrapping up of chapter 3. Your dialogue has shown improvements, your writing is still impeccable, and your renders have dramatically improved since chapter 1.

Keep up the awesome work!

*Edit: spelling errors galore*
 

motseer

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Seems lots of the recent discussions around Eliza verified a claim I made earlier about Eliza being the main LI. However, I think the way Buu ended things leads to a bit more nuance that is hard to see given how chapter 3 ends. I'll share all of my thoughts behind a spoiler.

WARNING: Major spoilers for chapter 3 AND 4. If you don't want the beginning of Ch 4 spoiled do not read. You've been fairly warned.
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BuuPlays - Now that I've fully recover from that bombshell of an ending, I was thoroughly impressed with how much content was added in the wrapping up of chapter 3. Your dialogue has shown improvements, your writing is still impeccable, and your renders have dramatically improved since chapter 1.

Keep up the awesome work!

*Edit: spelling errors galore*
I think there is a good chance you are spot on with your analysis of the relationship between the two LI's and the light and dark paths. Early on I chose to concentrate on a Paladin type character and Eliza has fit that choice well from a companion/follower perspective. I feel reasonably certain that BuuPlays will take into account that a Lawful-Good character will kill just as quickly as a Chaotic-Evil one - given the right circumstances.
 

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Seems lots of the recent discussions around Eliza verified a claim I made earlier about Eliza being the main LI. However, I think the way Buu ended things leads to a bit more nuance that is hard to see given how chapter 3 ends. I'll share all of my thoughts behind a spoiler.

WARNING: Major spoilers for chapter 3 AND 4. If you don't want the beginning of Ch 4 spoiled do not read. You've been fairly warned.
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BuuPlays - Now that I've fully recover from that bombshell of an ending, I was thoroughly impressed with how much content was added in the wrapping up of chapter 3. Your dialogue has shown improvements, your writing is still impeccable, and your renders have dramatically improved since chapter 1.

Keep up the awesome work!

*Edit: spelling errors galore*
I am also 100% sure that she survives. It's more with our Mc being a bit of a drama queen, I wouldn't be surprised if Eliza walks to the tavern in 10 minutes.
 

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Game over if Eliza is dead, I can only think that he being part angel can resurrect / save her - but if this is the case I'll abandon this game
 

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Talon wants to push the MC into the dark side, thus he tried and I say tried because the game is over if he succeeded, to give the MC the push by killing Eliza - which has better failed
 
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You might be onto something here with your analysis.
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Talon wants to push the MC into the dark side, thus he tried and I say tried because the game is over if he succeeded, to give the MC the push by killing Eliza - which has better failed
I don't think turning to the dark would result in a game over. It most definitely will lead to a darker undertone for the story as our MC becomes a murderous psychopath, but I genuinely believe a dark path will lead to an entirely different ending than if you stayed on the light path.

Buu has also mentioned that both paths are viable, and that you're free to make both sets of choices as you see fit. However, I do believe that there will be 3 main crossroads that gradually lock in the MC's morality:
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If Buu is as good as I think he is, he almost certainly has setup his story to follow the 3 Act structure. Otherwise, everything I mentioned behind the spoiler gets thrown out the window (for the most part).
 
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Just some random thoughts about one of my new favorite games.
 

markel1000

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What if eliza is in a coma? It would be a good way to flesh other characters while not pissing everyone off about her fate. You can still have scenes of MC visiting her and sometimes hearing her thoughts
 
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