- Aug 16, 2023
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I like the game, but the developer has ruined one of the best girls out of any VN... Eliza. Having her become what she is now... well just ruined her. I do like Onyx however, that was pretty cool. But for me, my interest in this game has always been Eliza 100%, now my interest in the game is about 30%. I probably will not download the game for a while, maybe 5 or 6 updates, then will try it again and see if Eliza has been fixed...
Anyway, just my opinion. peace
Anyway, just my opinion. peace
I can understand that hell I still feel it to a small extent, still even tho ive mostly accepted it. But this update did kind of get rid of 1 major concerns or worry I had for Eliza's character. I was a bit worried her personality will be ruined as well. Cause her personality is what makes the character for me and I can accept her vampire side if her personality stays intact. While it may still change later and id hate it if it does, for now i'm glad I don't have to worry about that aspect of her character. Now my worry has shifted to if she can control her self and no be a bloodthirsty vampire that kills non stop.
I really hope he doesn't retcon it cause of the backlash and just owns it. I always prefer it when dev stick to their original vision. Even tho my initial reaction to Vampire Eliza is no just no, I can see myself liking it down the road if done correctly. Not gonna lie after seeing Vampire Eliza the fangs or w/e does make her seem a bit hotter to me haha. Plus I can imagine them as a duo making for some fun and amazing scenes later on.Here inb4 dev sees the backlash to completely screwing up the main LI, and MC wakes up in a "It was all just a dream" meme in the next update.
- Jul 12, 2020
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Here inb4 dev sees the backlash to completely screwing up the main LI, and MC wakes up in a "It was all just a dream" meme in the next update.
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- Apr 15, 2019
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What a disappointment, Eliza was the only LI I was interested in, now there are none left, it's ridiculous to change Eliza's character in the middle of the story, and for the MC to pressure her to turn into a monster, when he and her father, hunted these monsters, it was very cruel.
She was living a happy life even though she couldn't walk, the MC pressured her to become a monster, now the happy life is over, the two will be hunted forever, and they will massacre many on the way; or the MC will abandon her, that's what I'll have to do if I want to keep playing.
I've lost interest, I don't have a second LI on my list, they're all terrible, I don't know if I'll test the next update.
She was living a happy life even though she couldn't walk, the MC pressured her to become a monster, now the happy life is over, the two will be hunted forever, and they will massacre many on the way; or the MC will abandon her, that's what I'll have to do if I want to keep playing.
I've lost interest, I don't have a second LI on my list, they're all terrible, I don't know if I'll test the next update.
Alice is my second pick but she is lacking in the character development compared to Eliza. I personally have pretty mixed feeling about Eliza . Because as of right now her personality isn't changed yet so I can still accept her which was one of my main concerns. But now it's shifted to if she can control her vampire side. If she can then I think I can end up liking her more than before as long as her personality doesn't change. As I can see her having some fun scenes as a vampire. But yeah if she doesn't learn to control herself or her personality does change I think I might have to drop her a LI I want to be with and just keep playing the game to have fun as I still like it for the story and even then I might still like Eliza from time to time but yeah she will be alot lower on list for sure.
- Jul 10, 2017
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This game was killed by the Selena case. Any desire to continue was gone. I'm not even interested in reading these texts anymore.
This is MC even before he gets born .... way to see what he finds after getting home one day ...
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- Apr 19, 2022
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Wow, there's a lot of alarmists and fairweather fans in here right now. Give Eliza a break. it's her first day, mistakes will be made. How long was a suitable whining period for that mistake, I forget... do you all not remember the emotional fallout at the training ground, and the underlying cause of both Eliza's rage and blood lust?
And while the MC was certainly negligent as a custodian to a degree, the true onus falls squarely on the shoulders and hard drive of the writer... give it some time before all this talk of abandoning ship and changing love interests, damn.
And while the MC was certainly negligent as a custodian to a degree, the true onus falls squarely on the shoulders and hard drive of the writer... give it some time before all this talk of abandoning ship and changing love interests, damn.
This right here is pretty much how I feel. Even tho I have mixed feelings about the change I don't believe in judging something at least in a story too quickly, as things can easily turn around. Tho this update did make me feel a tad better about the change still not fully on board. I admit I hated it alot more before this update.
- Jul 12, 2020
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Not sure which VN some folk are reading...
I don't recall at any time in the dialogue the MC forcing, pressuring or otherwise cajoling Eliza into drinking from the chalice. Even said, it's your choice but this is the deal if you do. As for killin an innocent..sure, not good and the MC can be blamed for not keeping an eye on her. It's her first day though and on the dark path (more true to reality if angels and all that malarkey were actually real btw), you can literally kill an innocent girl becuase her sister tried fucking you over.
Moaning about vampires, you're literally playing as a half angel...a nephilim. Some of you should really do some biblical lore to find out that angels, are very definitely not the good guys.
*shrugs*
I don't recall at any time in the dialogue the MC forcing, pressuring or otherwise cajoling Eliza into drinking from the chalice. Even said, it's your choice but this is the deal if you do. As for killin an innocent..sure, not good and the MC can be blamed for not keeping an eye on her. It's her first day though and on the dark path (more true to reality if angels and all that malarkey were actually real btw), you can literally kill an innocent girl becuase her sister tried fucking you over.
Moaning about vampires, you're literally playing as a half angel...a nephilim. Some of you should really do some biblical lore to find out that angels, are very definitely not the good guys.
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- May 13, 2018
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Agreed! I had to remind myself that Eliza was the humanizing. stabilizing and loving force that kept the MC from crossing the line and becoming a monster. There's a war raging, and it's no longer about life and limb, but a fight for Eliza's very soul. She both deserves and is owed a chance to fight for it.
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I guess there's enough hate going around already but I do feel this was poorly handled. I don't actually mind the vampire transformation itself and I don't even mind her killing someone but this wasn't the way to do it.
She straight up killed someone because the MC was negligent and he basically sweeps it under the rug and acts like it's no biggie. It's obviously not her fault since she wasn't really in control but this should be a much bigger deal for everyone involved. Everyone is acting like she just lost control for a bit and sucked some blood instead of treating it like the murder it was.
She straight up killed someone because the MC was negligent and he basically sweeps it under the rug and acts like it's no biggie. It's obviously not her fault since she wasn't really in control but this should be a much bigger deal for everyone involved. Everyone is acting like she just lost control for a bit and sucked some blood instead of treating it like the murder it was.
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Especially from the MC. He is the one I thought that really acted like it was no big deal. At least Eliza did kinda of act like it was a big deal when it happened and later during training. But yeah not enough time or emotion's was spent on these scenes to convey they care. I'm just assuming at least Eliza does cares deep down cause how she is a actual good and caring person with a big heart it just not shown properly and sweep under the rug.
- Sep 26, 2016
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Eliza's change was a good one. Now she can finally stop being a liability and damsel in distress and hold her own next to MC. And for us who are going for a darker route, she is a good match too.
I think the personality thing will be linked to MC's disposition in some way. A lighter MC will keep her grounded and keep her up whenever she seems like falling to the dark side. A darker one will be encouraging her vamp side more. This game seems very influenced from RPGs and that's a common mechanic in those.
My only issue is how quickly the whole killing thing was brushed off. If her emotions going haywire made her a killer, then her guilt should have been just as heightened. A hug and a couple lines to make it all better just seemed like the easy way out...
I think the personality thing will be linked to MC's disposition in some way. A lighter MC will keep her grounded and keep her up whenever she seems like falling to the dark side. A darker one will be encouraging her vamp side more. This game seems very influenced from RPGs and that's a common mechanic in those.
My only issue is how quickly the whole killing thing was brushed off. If her emotions going haywire made her a killer, then her guilt should have been just as heightened. A hug and a couple lines to make it all better just seemed like the easy way out...
Yeah I fully agree. I get why he didn't make a big deal out of it in the moment since that would have caused her to panic even more but he doesn't really seem to give a shit beyond the consequences this could have for Eliza which just comes across as pretty messed up. He's literally joking about it less than a day after which is crazy(at least on a light path).
Eliza really is the only one that's acting somewhat reasonable. She gets over it pretty fast tbh but I guess you can excuse that as the heightened positive emotions from being reunited with MC taking the forefront.
- Sep 20, 2018
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Honestly, I think they're both to blame, though the MC bears the bigger share. They both knew that becoming a vampire would cause Eliza to thirst for blood and have difficulty controlling her emotions. An innocent winding up dead by the newly vampirized Eliza is not exactly a surprise. It's like killing someone if you drive after a heavy night of drinking: sure, the alcohol itself is responsible for your poor reflexes and bad judgement, but you're still the person who decided to get drunk while far from home.
The MC takes it the extra mile though, as he blew off his responsibility to be Eliza's "designated driver" and then decided to sweep the whole thing under the rug rather than accept the slightest hint of consequences for his gross incompetence. Lovely.
Overall, this was not a good update. I'm not fond of fridging the poor barmaid just to give Eliza some edgy angst, and the notion that everything will be fine once she gets some practice feeding on people is laughable. There's really no distinction between the Light and Dark paths at this point: both are perfectly happy placing others at risk for his own convenience. I don't understand how the MC can just waltz into Taron's prison when he's obviously still using the place. Onyx was about the least interesting take on a symbiote I've ever seen: she's wicked powerful and down for whatever and who cares because sexy, right? Blech.
I'm not really interested in seeing what happens next.
The more relevant point is that the developer seems to have forgotten there was a route where the MC didn't kill an innocent just to satisfy his own whims.