VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.0] [BuuPlays]

[Krytax123]

Way too harsh imo.

1. it's a porn game. Selena is hawt. Of course there's going to be a redemption for her.
2. Selena's sister was held hostage and they forced her hand. MC is a stoic badass that understands her predicament.
3. Selena sexy time happens........

Nah fuck that bitch, her betraying only the mc would maybe have been redeemable, but her hurting eliza isnt. There are enough pretty girls to waste your time with a mediocre looking backstabbing bitch.

And i dont mind her having a redemption arc but i want the choice to tell her to fuck off (or at least keep distance from the mc) without having to kill her sister

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

But i feel like the version were you didnt killed her sister is even worse. Selena just walks up to you from behind and starts hugging you and the mc is fine with it, having control of the mc i would have thrown her into the next hay bale.

We get it. You're not interested in displays of affection. You're more about strappin a girl down and destroyin her holes and leavin her to pick herself up.

 

[Dessolos]

Way too harsh imo.

1. it's a porn game. Selena is hawt. Of course there's going to be a redemption for her.
2. Selena's sister was held hostage and they forced her hand. MC is a stoic badass that understands her predicament.
3. Selena sexy time happens........

yeah that's why I wanted to help her but while remaining faithful. So sadly I have to see that plotline on another save as that save im staying faithful, so I was forced to refuse to help her. As killing her sister I took that option as I saw it something the MC would do in a fit of rage, while i'm not playing a pure dark path. I'm playing most a light path expect for when it comes down to Eliza. When it comes to Eliza my MC on my main save anyways (not the others) would let the world burn to get revenge for anyone that does harm to her or kills her.

 

[micojive]

This game was ruined by those pirates and this Eliza BS is annoying as fuck they've known each other since the beginning and the dev keeps throwing stupid nonsensical teasing shit at us, the story is damn awful too fortunately for me I'm just skipping this shit....but even skipping is bad cause the animations are awful

Yea, for as shitty as the Pirate arc was if they atleast would have ended with consumating their relationship after the shitfest was over it would be something. But no, now we had an actually decent LI in the game turned into a brainless harem member, who we still cant fuck.

 

[Dessolos]

LI in the game turned into a brainless harem member, who we still cant fuck.

haha I always forgot this game is going to have a harem path until it's brought up, since I only been with Eliza and no one else. Yup even declined Onyx too. ( I did check out the other scenes but I always reload)

 

[micojive]

My thought on the update :

Alot better than the last one Eliza starting to act more like the old Eliza that made me fall in love with this game. However some dialogue doesn't seem to be correct I think. As a few times it acts like she killed the bar maid when I didn't go with that choice.

Honestly, I couldnt disagree more with this. Eliza at the start of the game was a strong independent character who was actually doing things before the MC came along. This update was still Eliza being completely unable to function without the MC. The entire vampire thing has turned her into just another brainless harem member that needs the MC's dick to function.

 

[Dessolos]

Honestly, I couldnt disagree more with this. Eliza at the start of the game was a strong independent character who was actually doing things before the MC came along. This update was still Eliza being completely unable to function without the MC. The entire vampire thing has turned her into just another brainless harem member that needs the MC's dick to function.

I was more referring to Eliza on how she is interacting and being lovey dovey and playful with the MC here. That's what feels like the old Eliza to me. Should of made that clear cause I do agree with what you said about her being brainless you probably missed the part in that post of mine where I said " It's does feel like at times Eliza cant think or do anything for herself without the MC's approval. It kind of feels like she is brainwashed or something "

 

[m3nic]

I like this story and renders too.
Mc, He reminds me to werewolf guy in Monsters College

 

[ename144]

The changes to Eliza's first night as a vampire are much appreciated, so thanks for that. That said, I don't understand why the MC talking Eliza through her hunger (or encouraging her to embrace it) wasn't the initial encounter in the first place. I'd still prefer to avoid making her a vampire at all, but if we have to go that route we might as well see the MC do it competently. What do we gain by having Eliza nearly kill a woman on night 1, then do the same thing on night 2 even with the MC's intervention?

The rest of the update did nothing for me. I'm not interested in having the MC romance Eliza and while I can technically avoid it, the game makes very little sense when the two are caressing each others' naked bodies as friends. Worse, despite her vaunted vampiric prowess, Eliza is stuck making googly eyes at the MC rather than doing anything exciting; she's literally consigned to desk duty! The return of Selena was pretty underwhelming, too, at least on the light path. She just drapes herself at the MC for no reason, then disappears if we turn her down. Granted, we do tell her to apologize to Eliza, but that would carry a lot more weight if we hadn't trivialized the price Eliza paid for Selena's sins.

So that's my take. As a patch to the last update, this is a step in the right direction. As an update in its own right it's pretty forgettable.

 

[Krytax123]

We get it. You're not interested in displays of affection. You're more about strappin a girl down and destroyin her holes and leavin her to pick herself up.
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Nah i would prefer to dont even touch her, affection is great but preferably not from backstabbing snakes.

 

[Dessolos]

Nah i would prefer to dont even touch her, affection is great but preferably not from backstabbing snakes.

Honestly if it wasn't for the way im playing my MC on my main save when it comes Eliza, I would be able to accept and forgive her with the context of the situation if it was any other AVN. However this one i'm playing the MC in a way that he will let the world burn if it means getting revenge on people that wronged Eliza. That's how much i ended up liking her, I changed the way I normally would play any other AVN. But in this AVN im on your side and saying fuck her I dont want anything to do with her, only reason I was wanting to help her is I felt bad for what I did to her sister in a moment of rage and anger, but not at the expense of cheating on Eliza.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

Nah i would prefer to dont even touch her, affection is great but preferably not from backstabbing snakes.

I haven't played much of this, so, I'm kind of clueless on whose who right now.

 

[Krytax123]

Honestly if it wasn't for the way im playing my MC on my main save when it comes Eliza, I would be able to accept and forgive her with the context of the situation if it was any other AVN. However this one i'm playing the MC in a way that he will let the world burn if it means getting revenge on people that wronged Eliza. That's how much i ended up liking her, I changed the way I normally would play any other AVN. But in this AVN im on your side and saying fuck her I dont want anything to do with her, only reason I was wanting to help her is I felt bad for what I did to her sister in a moment of rage and anger, but not at the expense of cheating on Eliza.

Im playing very Eliza focused too although i cant say that i stayed away from cheating entirely, im curious if you denied onyx lmao, does it count as cheating? Its just some slime, riiiiight?

I kinda wish Selena would have just lured the mc into a trap from taron, in this case i could forgive her, the mc isnt really bothered about his vulnerability anyway lmao but deliberatly trying to hurt him through the people clostest to him is just a no-go in my opinion.

And she just weaseled herself into their group for this sinlge reason, ugh

I can see why Selena acted that way (minus the trashtalkin in the dungeon, that was just shitty), she wanted to rescue her sister and didnt gave a shit about mc and eliza which is fine, i dont even want to kill her anymore at this point, i just want to be free to not give a fuck about her either haha.

And im very sure that i dont want my MC to cuddle with her after all this shit.

Its just that afterwards theres no way back from a decision like that, in a normal (cruel) world Selena should be dead and her sister alive.

 

[Dessolos]

Im playing very Eliza focused too although i cant say that i stayed away from cheating entirely, im curious if you denied onyx lmao, does it count as cheating? Its just some slime, riiiiight?

Yeah I did. I did watch the scene but I reloaded to deny Onyx. Yeah I was disappointed we couldn't kill the one who deserved it the most but went with killing the sister anyways just the way I wanted to play the MC even if really made no sense to do so , since she did nothing wrong.

 

[Krytax123]

Yeah I did. I did watch the scene but I reloaded to deny Onyx. Yeah I was disappointed we couldn't kill the one who deserved it the most but went with killing the sister anyways just the way I wanted to play the MC even if really made no sense to do so , since she did nothing wrong.

I mean .. come on, give our nephilim some slack yeah? Onyx is part of him, its like a more complicated version of masturbation

 

[mack86300]

Nephilim is a good visual novel until the point where we have to choose our vengeance against Selena for making Eliza paraplegic. The morality choice imposed by Buu makes no sense!

• On the path of light, you can let her go and ask her to apologize to Eliza, which is ridiculous.

• On the path of darkness, you kill her sister who is also a victim in this event. But you leave Selena free to seek revenge.

The path of light is too naive, and the path of darkness is misdirected. Regardless of the path, the MC must punish her for her actions. She should not get away with "Oops, that wasn't nice, now go apologize!". She still harmed the most important person to the MC.

Regarding the "light" choice, it clearly poses a problem. You can't let someone who has committed such a grave mistake get away without any consequences.

1. You let them leave the capital with a warning. However, you never want to see them again.
2. Selena turns herself in to the authorities and takes responsibility for her crimes. However, the possibility of forgiveness is not excluded someday.
3. As in the original idea, you forgive her and act as if the incident never happened.

The light choice should allow us to decide whether or not the MC will forgive her someday, without becoming a murderer. We're kind, but Selena must face the consequences.

Returning to the "dark" choice, you can kill Selena's sister who has nothing to do with it, except being a hostage, so kill her. That would make no sense, and even if you do, you leave Selena alive and risk her visiting and killing Eliza, who cannot protect herself in her current state... At what point do we think this is a good idea? Selena is the culprit, she should be punished without having the opportunity to retaliate. Four possibilities come to mind:

1. As in the basic idea, we kill the innocent sister but also break her spine so that she suffers the same fate and understands that her choices have serious consequences.
2. We simply kill her coldly after making her sister paraplegic.
3. We make Selena paraplegic and force her sister to take care of her for the rest of her life or enslave her.
4. If slavery exists, both sisters become slaves. This way, it's Samarah who will resent her sister for her choices.

In any case, the dark path is clear, there will be no forgiveness from the MC for Selena's betrayal.

I understand that Buu wants to continue to impose the character of Selena on us, for his story. But we're at a key moment in the story that shapes our MC's personality and future. The player must have the possibility to exclude Selena from their game or at least from their circle. I know that implementing choices brings extra work, crucial for the rest of the game.

Unfortunately, as I go through the discussion, I discover that a new betrayal is looming in the pirate arc. It seems that we are being forced into a romance with this traitor. So, I wonder if Buu has really experienced betrayal in their life. Having experienced it myself, the last thing I want is to keep that person close to me. Forgiving someone does not mean we want to be around them every day.

 

[Krytax123]

Nephilim is a good visual novel until the point where we have to choose our vengeance against Selena for making Eliza paraplegic. The morality choice imposed by Buu makes no sense!

• On the path of light, you can let her go and ask her to apologize to Eliza, which is ridiculous.

• On the path of darkness, you kill her sister who is also a victim in this event. But you leave Selena free to seek revenge.

The path of light is too naive, and the path of darkness is misdirected. Regardless of the path, the MC must punish her for her actions. She should not get away with "Oops, that wasn't nice, now go apologize!". She still harmed the most important person to the MC.

Regarding the "light" choice, it clearly poses a problem. You can't let someone who has committed such a grave mistake get away without any consequences.

1. You let them leave the capital with a warning. However, you never want to see them again.
2. Selena turns herself in to the authorities and takes responsibility for her crimes. However, the possibility of forgiveness is not excluded someday.
3. As in the original idea, you forgive her and act as if the incident never happened.

The light choice should allow us to decide whether or not the MC will forgive her someday, without becoming a murderer. We're kind, but Selena must face the consequences.

Returning to the "dark" choice, you can kill Selena's sister who has nothing to do with it, except being a hostage, so kill her. That would make no sense, and even if you do, you leave Selena alive and risk her visiting and killing Eliza, who cannot protect herself in her current state... At what point do we think this is a good idea? Selena is the culprit, she should be punished without having the opportunity to retaliate. Four possibilities come to mind:

1. As in the basic idea, we kill the innocent sister but also break her spine so that she suffers the same fate and understands that her choices have serious consequences.
2. We simply kill her coldly after making her sister paraplegic.
3. We make Selena paraplegic and force her sister to take care of her for the rest of her life or enslave her.
4. If slavery exists, both sisters become slaves. This way, it's Samarah who will resent her sister for her choices.

In any case, the dark path is clear, there will be no forgiveness from the MC for Selena's betrayal.

I understand that Buu wants to continue to impose the character of Selena on us, for his story. But we're at a key moment in the story that shapes our MC's personality and future. The player must have the possibility to exclude Selena from their game or at least from their circle. I know that implementing choices brings extra work, crucial for the rest of the game.

Unfortunately, as I go through the discussion, I discover that a new betrayal is looming in the pirate arc. It seems that we are being forced into a romance with this traitor. So, I wonder if Buu has really experienced betrayal in their life. Having experienced it myself, the last thing I want is to keep that person close to me. Forgiving someone does not mean we want to be around them every day.

Haha everything you stated was already discussed back then when the chapter with selenas' betrayal released, its always the same thoughts returning.

I think Buu edited the good path Selena dialoge (from back than) already and it is a bit less friendly (i at least remembered it way worse).

And yeah another betrayal is on the horizon, youre however not forced to romance her.

 

[Dessolos]

I kind of expect the next betrayal to be the pixie slpyh I think her name is , but maybe she will get past her hatred for us just cause we are a Nephilim

 

[BuuPlays]

Nephilim is a good visual novel until the point where we have to choose our vengeance against Selena for making Eliza paraplegic. The morality choice imposed by Buu makes no sense!

• On the path of light, you can let her go and ask her to apologize to Eliza, which is ridiculous.

• On the path of darkness, you kill her sister who is also a victim in this event. But you leave Selena free to seek revenge.

The path of light is too naive, and the path of darkness is misdirected. Regardless of the path, the MC must punish her for her actions. She should not get away with "Oops, that wasn't nice, now go apologize!". She still harmed the most important person to the MC.

Regarding the "light" choice, it clearly poses a problem. You can't let someone who has committed such a grave mistake get away without any consequences.

1. You let them leave the capital with a warning. However, you never want to see them again.
2. Selena turns herself in to the authorities and takes responsibility for her crimes. However, the possibility of forgiveness is not excluded someday.
3. As in the original idea, you forgive her and act as if the incident never happened.

The light choice should allow us to decide whether or not the MC will forgive her someday, without becoming a murderer. We're kind, but Selena must face the consequences.

Returning to the "dark" choice, you can kill Selena's sister who has nothing to do with it, except being a hostage, so kill her. That would make no sense, and even if you do, you leave Selena alive and risk her visiting and killing Eliza, who cannot protect herself in her current state... At what point do we think this is a good idea? Selena is the culprit, she should be punished without having the opportunity to retaliate. Four possibilities come to mind:

1. As in the basic idea, we kill the innocent sister but also break her spine so that she suffers the same fate and understands that her choices have serious consequences.
2. We simply kill her coldly after making her sister paraplegic.
3. We make Selena paraplegic and force her sister to take care of her for the rest of her life or enslave her.
4. If slavery exists, both sisters become slaves. This way, it's Samarah who will resent her sister for her choices.

In any case, the dark path is clear, there will be no forgiveness from the MC for Selena's betrayal.

I understand that Buu wants to continue to impose the character of Selena on us, for his story. But we're at a key moment in the story that shapes our MC's personality and future. The player must have the possibility to exclude Selena from their game or at least from their circle. I know that implementing choices brings extra work, crucial for the rest of the game.

Unfortunately, as I go through the discussion, I discover that a new betrayal is looming in the pirate arc. It seems that we are being forced into a romance with this traitor. So, I wonder if Buu has really experienced betrayal in their life. Having experienced it myself, the last thing I want is to keep that person close to me. Forgiving someone does not mean we want to be around them every day.

Thank you for the in-depth feedback, I already have some adjustments to the controversial Selena choice in the oven, I just haven't had the time to implement them yet, they may make it into the next update, it will include adjustment both to the light and dark choice.

There are no forced romances in Nephilim nor will there be. And there's no major betrayals in the pirate arc, the pirates are acting in their own interests as they obviously owes us no allegiance early on, and it's not until later in the arc that they truly become our allies, at which point there are no betrayal from them.

Kira turns us in to her father after knowing us for a week, she may fancy us but that doesn't erase her need for approval at that point.
Pearl steals a valuable treasure to protect her sister, it's not like she's a pirate or anything right?

 

[mack86300]

Thank you for your feedback. As I mentioned earlier, since I haven't played through the pirate arc, I don't have any opinion on it but have made some assumptions. Given that the choice with Selena does not suit me, I don't feel like continuing the visual novel at the moment. The reason being that my immersion as the MC is broken. However, I will revisit it when Selena's content is reworked and more nuanced. I don't necessarily want to kill her, but I also don't want to forgive her.